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Post by haapai on Feb 27, 2020 16:09:28 GMT -5
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Post by souldoubt on Feb 27, 2020 16:19:48 GMT -5
My wife and I both have enough PTO saved up to get us through a flu type illness. We're both in good health, exercise regularly and adamant about washing our hands so I'm not overly concerned for us but my 63 year old mother is another story. I went yesterday and bought some more nyquil/dayquil and the off brand emergenc just to have ahead of time. The county I live in declared a state of emergency yesterday so figured I'd go now before any panic sets in. The store I went to was already pretty low on some of these supplies but there wasn't anyone else really there when I went so it's not like anyone seems to be panicking just preparing. There will definitely be an economic impact but as someone else said hopefully it makes companies and people realize how being dependent on cheap labor/products from one area isn't wise. So there! I have a few years on your mom If you have your health and are in good shape physically (fairly mobile) I'd give you the advantage over my mom.
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Post by souldoubt on Feb 27, 2020 16:25:16 GMT -5
So, just heard about a woman in Japan who had the virus in January, was sick, recovered and tested negative for the virus - and now has it again. There's also a supposedly a few cases like this in China. (this was on NPR this morning..) I know that sometimes happens with the Flu (but it might also be that the person had one Flu and then got one of the other ones....) Still that's pretty scary. What if this thing is like the common cold? You get it, build up antibodies to it, but then your immunity fades with time. Or perhaps the Corvid19 virus is mutating? I went to a new primary care physician yesterday. Take it for what it's worth because maybe another medical professional or even someone on here that's in the field disagrees but he and I got to talking about the flu vaccine. He said that when they create that vaccine they knew the current strains and try to account for how it could mutate which is why the vaccine isn't 100% effective. When we got to talking about Covid19 he said the unknown is how it could mutate as it spreads. He wasn't all doom and gloom but stated the obvious that like any virus there's a chance it mutates into something nastier with a higher mortality. I'm definitely not a medical professional but reading your post about someone getting it twice just made me think about how it could mutate no idea if that's the case for the woman in Japan.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 27, 2020 16:54:37 GMT -5
I do not. It was an NPR broadcast this morning - sourced from the BBC I think. I can't google right not. ;(
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Post by buystoys on Feb 28, 2020 11:53:51 GMT -5
DH and I are both retired due to disability. We would just limit our errands around town. We're going to stock up on some more TP, but that's about all we could possibly need. We already have flu stuff in the house. The pantry is usually pretty well stocked and our freezer is full.
Both siblings are in positions where they have a decent amount of sick leave. My biggest concern would be that my BIL, sister, or nephew would get it and then transmit it to my parents. Both have immune system issues right now.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 28, 2020 12:36:34 GMT -5
So, just heard about a woman in Japan who had the virus in January, was sick, recovered and tested negative for the virus - and now has it again. There's also a supposedly a few cases like this in China. (this was on NPR this morning..) I know that sometimes happens with the Flu (but it might also be that the person had one Flu and then got one of the other ones....) Still that's pretty scary. What if this thing is like the common cold? You get it, build up antibodies to it, but then your immunity fades with time. Or perhaps the Corvid19 virus is mutating? I went to a new primary care physician yesterday. Take it for what it's worth because maybe another medical professional or even someone on here that's in the field disagrees but he and I got to talking about the flu vaccine. He said that when they create that vaccine they knew the current strains and try to account for how it could mutate which is why the vaccine isn't 100% effective. When we got to talking about Covid19 he said the unknown is how it could mutate as it spreads. He wasn't all doom and gloom but stated the obvious that like any virus there's a chance it mutates into something nastier with a higher mortality. I'm definitely not a medical professional but reading your post about someone getting it twice just made me think about how it could mutate no idea if that's the case for the woman in Japan. They usually put 3 strains in the flu vaccine, one strain is from the previous year, 2 are the strains that are the most prevalent in the Southern Hemisphere (where their flu season is opposite of our's). I suspect that the flu vaccine in the Southern Hemisphere uses the 2 strains that are the most prevalent in the Northern Hemisphere. The reason isn't so much because of the virus mutating, but that there are so many strains that the vaccine makers are making their best guess as to which strain is going to be the most prevalent by what's going on on the other side of the world. Sometimes they guess well, other times, not so much so. Viruses are interesting creatures. Usually they will mutate to being LESS lethal as a self preservation mechanism. If they kill off their host (humans), they kill off their ability to replicate, and then just die off. I was reading a book called The Great Influenza, the flu epidemic of 1917-18. Towards the end of the epidemic, the virus had mutated to be less lethal. However, it was not the flu virus that killed so many, but secondary infections - usually measles at the time, but pneumonia as well. As to someone getting the disease twice, it's not unheard of. Some people simply cannot mount an immune response (probably genetic) and they are the ones who wind being protected by herd immunity, along with those who cannot get immunized. BTW.....all antibody immunity fades with time, but you have memory B cells that can produce when stimulated. It normally takes about 2 weeks to mount an immune response to a particular virus (antigen) on initial exposure. However, once you have immunity, it takes less than 24 hours for your immune response to kick in - and at a much faster rate than seen at the initial exposure, you peak around 3 days. About colds.....there are a bloody billion cold viruses (just a little exaggerated). There are pages of rhinoviruses in the ATCC catalog, so the odds are that each time you catch a cold, you catch another rhinovirus. OK, I checked.....there are 200 different rhinoviruses that can cause colds. If you notice that as you get older, you get fewer colds (or at least I have). Kids get a lot, because they have not seen many viruses. By the time you become an adult, then your immune system has seen (and recognizes) them. You might feel crappy a day or so, but that's it - no full blown cold. Then once you become older, your immune system wanes and your ability to respond is not so great.
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Post by souldoubt on Feb 28, 2020 13:54:41 GMT -5
I went to a new primary care physician yesterday. Take it for what it's worth because maybe another medical professional or even someone on here that's in the field disagrees but he and I got to talking about the flu vaccine. He said that when they create that vaccine they knew the current strains and try to account for how it could mutate which is why the vaccine isn't 100% effective. When we got to talking about Covid19 he said the unknown is how it could mutate as it spreads. He wasn't all doom and gloom but stated the obvious that like any virus there's a chance it mutates into something nastier with a higher mortality. I'm definitely not a medical professional but reading your post about someone getting it twice just made me think about how it could mutate no idea if that's the case for the woman in Japan. They usually put 3 strains in the flu vaccine, one strain is from the previous year, 2 are the strains that are the most prevalent in the Southern Hemisphere (where their flu season is opposite of our's). I suspect that the flu vaccine in the Southern Hemisphere uses the 2 strains that are the most prevalent in the Northern Hemisphere. The reason isn't so much because of the virus mutating, but that there are so many strains that the vaccine makers are making their best guess as to which strain is going to be the most prevalent by what's going on on the other side of the world. Sometimes they guess well, other times, not so much so. He mentioned the bolded part specifically. I probably confused the Covid19 talk vs. regular flu when he discussed it mutating or getting worse if it hit a bigger group of people.
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Post by movingforward on Feb 28, 2020 14:04:14 GMT -5
I am worried about my dad who is 73, and my brother who has a compromised immune system.
I going to go this weekend to stock up on a few things. In general, I don't keep a ton of food in the house. It is just me and I eat out quite a bit. I thought I would stock up on some cans of soup, freeze some chicken, etc. Also, going to stock up on cat food and litter. I'm not sure where this thing is going but I figure it can't hurt... I have 2 work trips in March - one to DC and one to NYC. Vacations to San Deigo and Las Vegas are planned for April.
Really just hoping this thing doesn't get out of control. ETA: My work trips will put me in contact with a crazy amount of people. One is a conference with over $7,000 attendees from all over the country, and I can't tell you how many hands I will shake in the exhibit hall...
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Post by lynnerself on Feb 28, 2020 14:45:37 GMT -5
I talked to my son (in Seattle) last night. He was supposed to fly to the east coast to meet a supplier. The supplier canceled the trip and is letting no one but employees into the building.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 16:55:35 GMT -5
I'm already stocking up on the bottled water - Houston went under a boil water notice last night due to a water main break and will remain so until a least tomorrow morning.
Last night's HOA meeting was sponsored by a funeral planning service and they provided free veggies and dip, cookies, and bottles of hand sanitizer. First time I've ever seen cookies left over.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 28, 2020 18:01:27 GMT -5
They usually put 3 strains in the flu vaccine, one strain is from the previous year, 2 are the strains that are the most prevalent in the Southern Hemisphere (where their flu season is opposite of our's). I suspect that the flu vaccine in the Southern Hemisphere uses the 2 strains that are the most prevalent in the Northern Hemisphere. The reason isn't so much because of the virus mutating, but that there are so many strains that the vaccine makers are making their best guess as to which strain is going to be the most prevalent by what's going on on the other side of the world. Sometimes they guess well, other times, not so much so. He mentioned the bolded part specifically. I probably confused the Covid19 talk vs. regular flu when he discussed it mutating or getting worse if it hit a bigger group of people. The flu vaccine is now usually quadravalent, meaning it contains 4 strains, 2A and 2B strains. Their is a high dose vaccine for those over 65, with 10 times the usual dose. In late winter a decision is made over what virus strains to include in next years vaccine based on an analysis of the current flu viruses circulating and known flu behavior. They usually guess right, but if they don’t, or a new virus shows up after the decision is made, we have bad years
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Post by Tiny on Feb 28, 2020 21:47:56 GMT -5
I'm already stocking up on the bottled water - Houston went under a boil water notice last night due to a water main break and will remain so until a least tomorrow morning. Last night's HOA meeting was sponsored by a funeral planning service and they provided free veggies and dip, cookies, and bottles of hand sanitizer. First time I've ever seen cookies left over.
I am so sorry. that just made morbid little me laugh! and I needed a laugh it's been a very odd day and I'm not sure how I feel about all the odd things that happened - maybe it was a good day? maybe it was a bad day? more of a WTF just happened. So, the image in my head of your HOA meeting made me smile.
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Post by lynnerself on Feb 28, 2020 22:04:18 GMT -5
1st case reported in my home state, Oregon. And it's a "wild" one. No known exposure or foreign travel.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 28, 2020 22:17:43 GMT -5
1st case reported in my home state, Oregon. And it's a "wild" one. No known exposure or foreign travel. Watching that right now on the news.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 10:55:12 GMT -5
1st case reported in my home state, Oregon. And it's a "wild" one. No known exposure or foreign travel. We got an alert on Facebook last night just before the news broke from the county's emergency preparedness page. From my limited knowledge of pandemics from reading, it appears this is no longer controllable and will be everywhere. I bought some extra groceries and toilet paper the other day. That's probably about all most of us can really do about the situation.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 29, 2020 12:06:15 GMT -5
If/When Covid19 hits your community (or circle of friends/relatives) let's assume everyone survives AND it's just like a really bad flu that effects alot of people all at once in your community. On the your community level: What financial fall out will there be from lots of people in your community/circle of friends/relatives being hospitalized or staying home with pneumonia? You know, not being able to go to work for a week or two because of illness and any loss of paychecks and then medical debt. What about the family caretaker who needs time off to take care of kids/family members maybe for more than a week? And finally on your household level: how will your finances be effected if you are sick in bed for a week (or hospitalized) and then maybe if some of your immediate family (those you live with) are also sick - maybe not in tandem but serially - so several weeks or a month of having to deal with a sick person in your house? For me: It's just me - I'm salaried, have sick time, and have really good healthcare thru my employer. I don't have much support where someone could help me (take care of cats, do some lite house keeping, make sure I eat and drink) so, I will have some challenges with being sick. Financially I don't expect it to be an issue. (two years ago I had surgery and didn't work for six weeks - and it made no difference to my financial life... I have a generous employer and good healthcare). For my community: I expect the majority of people to "lose" income while they are home sick and that they will accrue medical debt if they/family members are hospitalized. It's not gonna be pretty. Especially since I saw that the average American household is carrying 8K in CC debt and that auto loan numbers and amounts are at their all time highest. In my community, I expect people will not go out to the movies, or eat, or attend the special events that draw tourists and money here. As a result, I expect that people in those industries will lose their jobs or have their hours cut back. As a consequence, they won't spend discretionary funds (if they even have them). If it gets as bad as I fear, the local hospitals will be overwhelmed with more sick people than they can take care of. In our house, if one of us gets a cold or the flu, the other sleeps in the guest room. I doubt our finances will be affected much (other than the IRA balances going down). We don't rely on retirement savings to live on, fortunately. Since we're retired, we don't worry about losing our jobs. Part of our IRAs are in CD's one of which matures in Oct. So we can handle RMDs without having to sell at a loss. But it never is fun watching the retirement savings go down. We do cut back on discrectionary spending when that happens. I had been planning to fly south in May to attend a family reunion; I've pretty much decided not to go this year. I expect that by May we'll be in full blown mode and travelling unnecessarily doesn't seem smart.
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Post by haapai on Feb 29, 2020 12:29:18 GMT -5
We got an alert on Facebook last night just before the news broke from the county's emergency preparedness page. From my limited knowledge of pandemics from reading, it appears this is no longer controllable and will be everywhere. I bought some extra groceries and toilet paper the other day. That's probably about all most of us can really do about the situation. That's pretty much the same thing that I am doing, minus the "wild" case within 500 miles. I've been stocking up on staples like TP (and yarn) with an eye toward not being in search of it when a panic hits or in need of it once the shelves have been swept clean. It's not so much preparing for being confined to the home as systematically removing reasons to have to go in search of this stuff when it is unavailable or when I really shouldn't be out of the house at all. FWIW, I work in a big-box grocery/general merchandise store and we've exceeded our sales goals substantially for the last few days.
Dog food is next on the list. I'll pick it up tomorrow. I seem to be picking up one item a day at this rate and none of it feels like emergency preparedness. Maybe I should be stocking up on books and puzzles instead?
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Post by Tiny on Feb 29, 2020 12:47:42 GMT -5
1st case reported in my home state, Oregon. And it's a "wild" one. No known exposure or foreign travel. We got an alert on Facebook last night just before the news broke from the county's emergency preparedness page. From my limited knowledge of pandemics from reading, it appears this is no longer controllable and will be everywhere. I bought some extra groceries and toilet paper the other day. That's probably about all most of us can really do about the situation. Yeah, I suspect it will get the Pandemic rating within a week or two. I'm not hearing much about how contagious the thing is or about how people who aren't symptomatic seem to be spreading it well before they become sick... both of which it seems likely that it is highly contagious and that people without symptoms spread it before becoming sick themselves. And that this kind of transmission is happening in a lot of places around the globe (hence a pandemic) There's a bit in the CNN thread about a person in Japan who came off the Diamond Princess with a negative test (back on Feb 20th) but is now sick and has the virus... (so either they had the virus when they got off the ship - or they came into contact with it during the last 10 days...which means they've been spreading it unknowingly OR they got it from someone who wasn't on the ship...) You can scroll thru this to the Japan bits... www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-29-20-intl-hnk/index.html I guess now we all just wait and prepare. I'm pretty good to go for atleast 6 weeks (I don't really need to go shopping for myself) - the cats have their meds (good for 6 weeks) - I just need to get specialty cat food - probably sunday or monday if I have to go to the Vets to get it.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 29, 2020 14:25:40 GMT -5
I am wondering how long it is going to take them to track these community acquired cases back to the government employees who were dealing with the repatriated Coronavirus exposed patients flown in without protective garb? I’m betting it can be done and IF it comes out that this is the case, it’s gonna be interesting. The timing is about right.
I am thinking that the CDC’s collective head is about to explode (if it hasn’t already) at the mistakes made by this administration.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 29, 2020 14:31:42 GMT -5
We got an alert on Facebook last night just before the news broke from the county's emergency preparedness page. From my limited knowledge of pandemics from reading, it appears this is no longer controllable and will be everywhere. I bought some extra groceries and toilet paper the other day. That's probably about all most of us can really do about the situation. Yeah, I suspect it will get the Pandemic rating within a week or two. I'm not hearing much about how contagious the thing is or about how people who aren't symptomatic seem to be spreading it well before they become sick... both of which it seems likely that it is highly contagious and that people without symptoms spread it before becoming sick themselves. And that this kind of transmission is happening in a lot of places around the globe (hence a pandemic) From everything I have read, it is about twice as infectious as the flu from the current numbers. But having a much longer incubation period means more exposures during the asymptomatic period. The incubation period of the flu is about 2 days, Coronavirus 14(+?) days. Just imagine how many more exposures!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 18:41:32 GMT -5
I'm already stocking up on the bottled water - Houston went under a boil water notice last night due to a water main break and will remain so until a least tomorrow morning. Last night's HOA meeting was sponsored by a funeral planning service and they provided free veggies and dip, cookies, and bottles of hand sanitizer. First time I've ever seen cookies left over.
I am so sorry. that just made morbid little me laugh! and I needed a laugh it's been a very odd day and I'm not sure how I feel about all the odd things that happened - maybe it was a good day? maybe it was a bad day? more of a WTF just happened. So, the image in my head of your HOA meeting made me smile. I totally get you Ti4ny! There are definitely days like that where you just move on and process later. I personally tend to vote for good/bad/WTF and all of the above. It was a VERY interesting meeting in more ways than you can even imagine, held at a mall that was once the showpiece of a 1950's white community now wrestling with diversity, where folks who've lived here for 50 years ventured so far out of their comfort zone to eat tacos and mango ice cream after meeting the brand-new Vietnamese police commander for our area and learning that the woman with the serious tats next to them is also an organic gardener and has a Master's in chemistry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 18:56:04 GMT -5
One of my concerns all along was the use of thermometers when lots of reports said fever was NOT necessarily one of the symptoms. Add that to poor training in use of thermometers, improperly calibrated or damaged thermometers, etc. plus an exceptionally long incubation period, and it's not surprising there are break-out cases.
We went to our Chinatown area for lunch and it was so sad to see restaurants 1/2 empty or totally empty. At our fav Chinese/Vietnamese restaurant, the manager came over and personally thanked us for coming. The neighboring ice cream shop, usually with a line out the door, was completely empty.
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 29, 2020 19:23:45 GMT -5
One case in Westchester county,NY. Was visiting my son’s family in Westchester today. He had been to Trader Joe’s and shelves were empty. He took a photo, wierd scene but shows that people are worried and planning to just stay home, not even go out for groceries. Easy to decide to stay home when there’s lots of cases but how many cases need be reported before you decide to hibernate at home
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 29, 2020 20:19:56 GMT -5
I am not that far from the first US death, and just got back from running errands.
First stop, the paint store where the sales guy had to tell his painters that they have no face masks, they are on order and he has no idea when they will come in.
Next stop, the grocery store. I was expecting to see empty shelves but not here. I went in for a sympathy card, cornstarch and horseradish and walked out $75 later. I will have to pick up dog food from Costco sometime this week.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 20:21:38 GMT -5
One case in Westchester county,NY. Was visiting my son’s family in Westchester today. He had been to Trader Joe’s and shelves were empty. He took a photo, wierd scene but shows that people are worried and planning to just stay home, not even go out for groceries. Easy to decide to stay home when there’s lots of cases but how many cases need be reported before you decide to hibernate at homeI won't hibernate at home unless I think I or DH have it. I've told DH tonight that I will go out to take care of any friend who need's nursing, just like I did in December for a friend diagnosed with Type A flu and years ago for a friend with something involving serious vomiting and diarrhea (she never shared the diagnosis). I apparently have a strong immune system, and I certainly have a strong stomach for dealing with smelly bodily output. I always have masks and gloves on hand, and Lysol is my favorite fragrance. I'm not trying to sound saintly or bs like that, but I think I can be available and be smart at the same time. Actually, my biggest concern is if DH and I are both hospitalized and no one will come take care of our cat.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 29, 2020 20:45:01 GMT -5
I made a run to Aldi, got gas, and stopped at the cash station - and it was business as usual. It was the typical Saturday way too much traffic and crowded stores. But then I live in a densely populated urban area. Pretty much the only time it gets kinda "ghost town" like is Christmas morning (before noon). I'm not sure COVID19 is being talked about much here. I mentioned it a week ago at "game night" as we were checking our calendars to schedule the next game night (some time in march)... and I got scoffed at. Not sure if it's really on anyone's radar here - maybe it gets lost in the noise.
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Post by mollyc on Feb 29, 2020 22:48:30 GMT -5
I have a relative who's a dentist. He can't get masks right now which will affect his ability to run his business. If he runs out of masks, that's him and his 6 staff off work. He's a generous guy so he might pay his staff anyway but he won't be bringing in any money.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 1, 2020 0:16:51 GMT -5
Damn. There's a new COVID29 case in Illinois (as in person sick enough to be in the hospital). We had 2 people with it back in late January (The wife had returned from China with it and gave it to her husband here...) Hmmm, a little extrapolation from incompete data means the new case has probably been "contagious" for the last 2 weeks - maybe longer... and since it seems to be a pretty catch-y virus - that probably means the new case is kind of the tip of an iceberg... and there's now a lot more cases out there.
Ugh. Here we go...
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Post by finnime on Mar 1, 2020 10:02:26 GMT -5
Went to Costco yesterday. We live in an urban area. The store was mobbed with people buying fresh produce and paper products, plus anything on sale, plus water. The lines to check out went 2/3 of the way back into the store. I've never seen it that crazy before, including at Christmas time. People were also stopping at the entrance to wipe down the handles of their carts with the handy germicidal wipes provided. IT was interesting.
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Post by raeoflyte on Mar 1, 2020 10:54:39 GMT -5
I'm thinking about not having my folks babysit for a while. My mom is definitely high risk if she gets it and I don't see anyway that our household won't catch it.
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