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Post by CCL on Feb 26, 2020 13:21:25 GMT -5
I wonder how many folks will avoid seeing a healthcare professional for this reason? You wouldn't have to. The airline screening shows you have a fever you get yanked. Or as we've seen if you're on a ship with someone that tests positive, you are now part of the quarantine group. Oh I know if you are in those groups you get quarantined. Lots of travels may not be in those groups. When we take trips we usually drive. If it spreads more within the US places like Disney and other tourist attractions may start screening visitors.
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Post by mcsangel2 on Feb 26, 2020 13:50:12 GMT -5
I'm a worrier by nature so this definitely has me worried. We are going to Myrtle Beach next month and then a cruise for our honeymoon in August. The cruise has me concerned. I have until Mid-April to change my mind. If we go, I am definitely buying the travel insurance, which I never do. My concern isn't as much for me, but my mom has congestive heart failure and my aunt has COPD. I'm very close to both of them and am worried that I will be a carrier and get them sick. I also tend to really worry about things like that (I was very worried over the Ebola scare a few years ago). BF is leaving it up to me to decide. He is much more laid back then I am but he is also supportive if I am really worried. I've been reading articles re: travel insurance. They are all saying that insurance will only cover this if it was purchased prior to the outbreak. Now it is considered a forseeable event. The exception is the "cancel for any reason" coverage. IME, though, they usually only cover 50% of the loss. Yes, I found the same thing. This was a factor in cancelling our Europe trip in May (that we hadn't yet booked). Best case scenario for those cancelling air reservations is a credit good for a year.
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 26, 2020 14:12:43 GMT -5
Had planned to take grandson to Greece this summer, not going Mostly don’t want to go to airport or be in airplane
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 26, 2020 14:14:09 GMT -5
Had planned to take grandson to Greece this summer, not going Mostly don’t want to go to airport or be in airplane
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 26, 2020 15:29:36 GMT -5
I'm a worrier by nature so this definitely has me worried. We are going to Myrtle Beach next month and then a cruise for our honeymoon in August. The cruise has me concerned. I have until Mid-April to change my mind. If we go, I am definitely buying the travel insurance, which I never do. My concern isn't as much for me, but my mom has congestive heart failure and my aunt has COPD. I'm very close to both of them and am worried that I will be a carrier and get them sick. I also tend to really worry about things like that (I was very worried over the Ebola scare a few years ago). BF is leaving it up to me to decide. He is much more laid back then I am but he is also supportive if I am really worried. I've been reading articles re: travel insurance. They are all saying that insurance will only cover this if it was purchased prior to the outbreak. Now it is considered a forseeable event. The exception is the "cancel for any reason" coverage. IME, though, they usually only cover 50% of the loss. Figures...just my luck! I'm going to check with my travel agent and see if there are any exemptions. Worst case, I cancel the cruise and go somewhere else.
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Post by mollyc on Feb 26, 2020 16:28:26 GMT -5
The Women's World Curling Championship is happening here in a couple of weeks. It will be interesting to see if this has any effect on attendance.
We are so far from anywhere that most of the audience will be locals any way. Hopefully any of the players' families who were coming will still make it.
Generally speaking, the Asian teams have already spent the winter in N America and/or Europe playing in tournaments. They shouldn't have any problems getting here. At least I hope not.
And at this level, playing while fighting the flu isn't uncommon. This counts towards making it into the 2022 Winter Games so no one will cancel if they can help it.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 26, 2020 16:37:55 GMT -5
They have not ruled out canceling the Olympics....if it comes to that.
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Post by justme on Feb 26, 2020 16:38:52 GMT -5
I leave on a cruise in like 10 days out of Puerto Rico. I'm still going. But I got a free upgrade to a balcony in case we're quarantined!
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Post by justme on Feb 26, 2020 16:51:43 GMT -5
I'm a worrier by nature so this definitely has me worried. We are going to Myrtle Beach next month and then a cruise for our honeymoon in August. The cruise has me concerned. I have until Mid-April to change my mind. If we go, I am definitely buying the travel insurance, which I never do. My concern isn't as much for me, but my mom has congestive heart failure and my aunt has COPD. I'm very close to both of them and am worried that I will be a carrier and get them sick. I also tend to really worry about things like that (I was very worried over the Ebola scare a few years ago). BF is leaving it up to me to decide. He is much more laid back then I am but he is also supportive if I am really worried. Travel insurance won't cover much unless you actually get sick. Otherwise the only way it would be helpful is if the cruiseline canceled the cruise and even that depends on your policy. It won't cover you deciding not to travel on your own. And it's likely too late for you to buy cancel for any reason insurance.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 26, 2020 19:10:34 GMT -5
Looking forward to an international Europe and Asia trip this summer with no packed airplanes and tourist crowds I am going to Singapore in August and I am looking at some seriously good airfares. I figure if it is really bad still at that time I will just be SOL but I will look at insurance (making sure epi/pandemic would be covered since not all policies do). However, all things being equal I will go though since I already promised DS1 that I would come...
forgot to add: DB1 will come to visit in April May from the Netherlands, DS2 with his family come in late June early July from Germany, and I will go to Germany at Xmas time. So unless they are shutting all airports down there will be plenty of traveling going on
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 20:09:46 GMT -5
I'm taking a wait and see stance. If it all goes sideways, I'll forego my trip home this summer, maybe put it off until fall, maybe not go at all unless it gets somewhat better. The elderly (OMG! that's me! I'm elderly!) are most likely to get really sick and turn up their toes from it.
Can't say 45's press conference inspired confidence. He gutted the CDC, reduced their budget, and now when the experts he needed are gone, he's trying to tell us there's nothing to worry about. It's not as though a wall can keep a pandemic away. Maybe the US is first is preparedness, but what does that mean? That there will be enough masks for everybody?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 20:30:32 GMT -5
We're scheduled to take a trip in September with a non-refundable payment due in June. I'm going to have questions because Canada may enact a travel ban so our trip is not going to happen. Non-refundable
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Post by Happy prose on Feb 26, 2020 20:32:17 GMT -5
I have a cruise to Bermuda booked for June. I'm hoping this straightens out prior.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 26, 2020 22:30:55 GMT -5
I have a cruise to Bermuda booked for June. I'm hoping this straightens out prior. Not to be a Debbie Downer, but it’s likely to be in full blown mode about then.
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Post by jerseygirl on Feb 26, 2020 23:28:16 GMT -5
Very sick patient in Sacramento Northern California just tested positive for Corona Sadly not quickly so might have infected people in hospital
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 27, 2020 9:43:29 GMT -5
We're going to Aruba in May. I would be delighted to be stranded there.
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Post by Ryan on Feb 27, 2020 10:57:57 GMT -5
I'm going to FL over spring break and then back to Fl for disney in June. If I need to change plans, I will but I'm not really thinking about it now. I try not to overthink about stuff like this because no good will come of it. To those that asked about it, the mortality rate goes down considerably with age and if you're healthy. Mortality rate is .4% if you're under 50 years old. It's up to 8% if you're in your 70's, and doubles again if your 80's. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
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Post by saveinla on Feb 27, 2020 11:09:38 GMT -5
Isn't this an issue only until summer starts?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 11:42:44 GMT -5
It's up to 8% if you're in your 70's, and doubles again if your 80's. Wut wo. A whole lot closer to 80 than to 70. I'm doomed! Guess I'll be staying home and out of any of the 11 airports where anybody testing positive is being sent...ORD and ATL are were the ones in my plan.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 27, 2020 11:43:13 GMT -5
Isn't this an issue only until summer starts? From everything I've read, this is most likely an issue for a long time to come. It's not an issue just until the daffodils come up like somebody in the White House says. The vaccine he talked about isn't close to being ready either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 11:48:51 GMT -5
Isn't this an issue only until summer starts? They have no idea what, if any, effect warming weather will have on the spread. A lot about this virus is a complete mystery right now.
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Post by azucena on Feb 27, 2020 11:53:09 GMT -5
Hoping medical experts contain it quickly for everyone's sake. Just started seeing news reports about Olympic considerations. Would be heart-breaking for athletes who pour their life into their sports to miss their one chance at competing.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Feb 27, 2020 12:11:24 GMT -5
Hoping medical experts contain it quickly for everyone's sake. Just started seeing news reports about Olympic considerations. Would be heart-breaking for athletes who pour their life into their sports to miss their one chance at competing. New case in Cali - patient exhibited symptoms, medical experts recommended testing for COVID, but the patient did not meet the narrow Federal standards (no recent travel to China, no contact with anyone who had) so testing was delayed. How many people did that patient infect while testing was delayed?
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Feb 27, 2020 12:13:59 GMT -5
Lots of US travel planned. I’m not worried, unless they start closing state borders.
I do believe we need to start using our God-given critical thinking skills. 2,000 have died. Who died? The elderly? Those with complicating conditions? Those in remote areas in China with limited access to basic medical care? Those who didn’t stay hydrated/rest/use OTC meds to address fever?
IMHO, the flu is a much bigger threat with 26,000 having died from it in the US. Again, most fatalities falling in the high risk categories.
This is one of those times when we have to peek behind the curtain, both at the detail behind the numbers AND the very likely political motivations to cause distraction and create self-promotion.
But, then again, if I’m known in real life for anything, it is my innate cynicism. 🤨
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Post by azucena on Feb 27, 2020 14:29:34 GMT -5
GRG I agree, but it's really only a matter of time before a deadlier virus emerges and this even clearly shows that the US and other countries don't have a proper plan in place. I'm not saying there is an easy plan. Shutting down travel and quarantines are hard things to institute.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 27, 2020 14:46:06 GMT -5
Lots of US travel planned. I’m not worried, unless they start closing state borders. I do believe we need to start using our God-given critical thinking skills. 2,000 have died. Who died? The elderly? Those with complicating conditions? Those in remote areas in China with limited access to basic medical care? Those who didn’t stay hydrated/rest/use OTC meds to address fever? IMHO, the flu is a much bigger threat with 26,000 having died from it in the US. Again, most fatalities falling in the high risk categories. This is one of those times when we have to peek behind the curtain, both at the detail behind the numbers AND the very likely political motivations to cause distraction and create self-promotion. But, then again, if I’m known in real life for anything, it is my innate cynicism. 🤨 If you want to use some critical thinking skills, think past the mortality rates. Yes, the >80 age group does have a higher mortality rate (I think I read about 15% last time) but that's not the point. Let me give you some data. This virus is nearly twice as infectious as the flu (from current data) with a 2.3% mortality rate. The flu's mortality rate has a 0.1%. HOWEVER, like the flu the vast majority of flu/COVID-19 cases are mild. For COVID-19, it appears about 80%, where no hospitalization is needed. Of the 20% that need hospitalization, a little more than 10% die - even with supportive help. Take the city where I live. Population is almost 90K. The local hospital has 241 beds. Assume that 10% of the population gets infected, that's around 9000 people. Of this, 20% needs hospital care and with this are around 90% likely to survive with it. 20% of 9000 is 1800 hospital beds needed - or nearly 7.5x more than what is available in this city in a 30 mile radius. Multiply this by cities all over the US, and if those 20% who need hospital care cannot get it, then you are likely going to see a mortality rate much higher than these early figures from China. It isn't just a mortality issue, but a supply issue.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 27, 2020 14:50:32 GMT -5
Lots of US travel planned. I’m not worried, unless they start closing state borders. I do believe we need to start using our God-given critical thinking skills. 2,000 have died. Who died? The elderly? Those with complicating conditions? Those in remote areas in China with limited access to basic medical care? Those who didn’t stay hydrated/rest/use OTC meds to address fever? IMHO, the flu is a much bigger threat with 26,000 having died from it in the US. Again, most fatalities falling in the high risk categories. This is one of those times when we have to peek behind the curtain, both at the detail behind the numbers AND the very likely political motivations to cause distraction and create self-promotion. But, then again, if I’m known in real life for anything, it is my innate cynicism. 🤨 The fatality rate of Covid19 is about 20 times higher than the flu.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 27, 2020 15:26:08 GMT -5
Do we trust the numbers coming out of China? They seemed untrustworthy / inconsistent for a while, but I don't know if they got their act together since then.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 27, 2020 15:33:37 GMT -5
Do we trust the numbers coming out of China? They seemed untrustworthy / inconsistent for a while, but I don't know if they got their act together since then. At this point, it's the best we have until more data starts coming in from around the world. At the very least, it's in the ballpark.
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Post by haapai on Feb 27, 2020 15:40:22 GMT -5
Do we trust the numbers coming out of China? They seemed untrustworthy / inconsistent for a while, but I don't know if they got their act together since then. No, we do not trust their numbers. About two weeks ago the number of new cases being reported dropped dramatically. It is highly implausible that these numbers accurately reflect the scale of new infections. Epidemics don't just plateau like that.
The most charitable explanations for the low number of new cases being reported by China is that their health care system and COVID-19 response has broken down. They could be out of testing kits. Their health care workers are exhausted and scared. Their hospitals are full.
Less charitable explanations of the sudden drop also exist.
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