USA Intelligence

[thyme4change]

Now being run by someone with no experience in the intelligence community. His first order of business was to fire the people with experience.

thehill.com/policy/national-security/484154-trumps-new-intel-chief-makes-immediate-changes-ousts-top-official

[Tennesseer]

'USA Intelligence' under trump is sorely lacking.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Not to worry. Trump has said he knows more then any of them and the generals. Look how well he's done with Putin and Kim Jong-un. 

[NastyWoman]

Feb 22, 2020 12:41:28 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

'USA Intelligence' under trump is sorely lacking.

, I believe we are at the point where it is going to be referred to as a contradiction in terms.

[Tennesseer]

William McRaven: If good men like Joe Maguire can’t speak the truth, we should be deeply afraid

William H. McRaven, a retired Navy admiral, was commander of the U.S. Special Operations Command from 2011 to 2014. He oversaw the 2011 Navy SEAL raid in Pakistan that killed Osama bin Laden.

Edmund Burke, the Irish statesman and philosopher, once said: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Over the course of the past three years, I have watched good men and women, friends of mine, come and go in the Trump administration — all trying to do something — all trying to do their best. Jim Mattis, John Kelly, H.R. McMaster, Sue Gordon, Dan Coats and, now, Joe Maguire, who until this week was the acting director of national intelligence.

I have known Joe for more than 40 years. There is no better officer, no better man and no greater patriot. He served for 36 years as a Navy SEAL. In 2004, he was promoted to the rank of rear admiral and was chosen to command all of Naval Special Warfare, including the SEALs. Those were dark days for the SEALs. Our combat losses from wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were the highest in our history, and Joe and his wife, Kathy, attended every SEAL funeral, providing comfort and solace to the families of the fallen.

But it didn’t stop there. Not a day went by that the Maguires didn’t reach out to some Gold Star family, some wounded SEAL, some struggling warrior. Every loss was personal, every family precious. When Joe retired in 2010, he tried the corporate world. But his passion for the Special Operations soldiers was so deep that he left a lucrative job and took the position as the president of the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, a charity that pays for educating the children of fallen warriors.

Complete article here:  William McRaven: If good men like Joe Maguire can’t speak the truth, we should be deeply afraid

[NastyWoman]

To William McRaven I would say that quoting Burke after three years of this nonsense is being a little slow on the uptake. And, unless he does more than just write an opinion piece, he should consider himself as one of the men and women who stood by and did nothing. IMO that would make him indifferent to what his relative silence causes at best

[laterbloomer]

This must be what it was like watching the Roman Empire fall.

[billisonboard]

Feb 22, 2020 14:59:44 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

This must be what it was like watching the Roman Empire fall.

Except we have a much better view and our citizens do have the power to stop it. Unfortunately the GOP is all in with renominating Trump. We will see what the Democrats offer as an alternative.

[happyhoix]

Feb 22, 2020 14:02:19 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

William McRaven: If good men like Joe Maguire can’t speak the truth, we should be deeply afraid

William H. McRaven, a retired Navy admiral, was commander of the U.S. Special Operations Command from 2011 to 2014. He oversaw the 2011 Navy SEAL raid in Pakistan that killed Osama bin Laden.

Edmund Burke, the Irish statesman and philosopher, once said: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Over the course of the past three years, I have watched good men and women, friends of mine, come and go in the Trump administration — all trying to do something — all trying to do their best. Jim Mattis, John Kelly, H.R. McMaster, Sue Gordon, Dan Coats and, now, Joe Maguire, who until this week was the acting director of national intelligence.

I have known Joe for more than 40 years. There is no better officer, no better man and no greater patriot. He served for 36 years as a Navy SEAL. In 2004, he was promoted to the rank of rear admiral and was chosen to command all of Naval Special Warfare, including the SEALs. Those were dark days for the SEALs. Our combat losses from wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were the highest in our history, and Joe and his wife, Kathy, attended every SEAL funeral, providing comfort and solace to the families of the fallen.

But it didn’t stop there. Not a day went by that the Maguires didn’t reach out to some Gold Star family, some wounded SEAL, some struggling warrior. Every loss was personal, every family precious. When Joe retired in 2010, he tried the corporate world. But his passion for the Special Operations soldiers was so deep that he left a lucrative job and took the position as the president of the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, a charity that pays for educating the children of fallen warriors.

Complete article here:  William McRaven: If good men like Joe Maguire can’t speak the truth, we should be deeply afraid

This is actually terrifying. Trump is attempting to silence the people whose job is to speak truth to power because he doesn’t want Americans to know what the Russians are really doing. Without our Intel community, how can we protect ourselves? Who will keep Russia in check? How many good experienced operatives are we going to lose?
Putin must be laughing his ass off.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 22, 2020 15:32:14 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Feb 22, 2020 14:02:19 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

William McRaven: If good men like Joe Maguire can’t speak the truth, we should be deeply afraid

William H. McRaven, a retired Navy admiral, was commander of the U.S. Special Operations Command from 2011 to 2014. He oversaw the 2011 Navy SEAL raid in Pakistan that killed Osama bin Laden.

Edmund Burke, the Irish statesman and philosopher, once said: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Over the course of the past three years, I have watched good men and women, friends of mine, come and go in the Trump administration — all trying to do something — all trying to do their best. Jim Mattis, John Kelly, H.R. McMaster, Sue Gordon, Dan Coats and, now, Joe Maguire, who until this week was the acting director of national intelligence.

I have known Joe for more than 40 years. There is no better officer, no better man and no greater patriot. He served for 36 years as a Navy SEAL. In 2004, he was promoted to the rank of rear admiral and was chosen to command all of Naval Special Warfare, including the SEALs. Those were dark days for the SEALs. Our combat losses from wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were the highest in our history, and Joe and his wife, Kathy, attended every SEAL funeral, providing comfort and solace to the families of the fallen.

But it didn’t stop there. Not a day went by that the Maguires didn’t reach out to some Gold Star family, some wounded SEAL, some struggling warrior. Every loss was personal, every family precious. When Joe retired in 2010, he tried the corporate world. But his passion for the Special Operations soldiers was so deep that he left a lucrative job and took the position as the president of the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, a charity that pays for educating the children of fallen warriors.

Complete article here:  William McRaven: If good men like Joe Maguire can’t speak the truth, we should be deeply afraid

This is actually terrifying. Trump is attempting to silence the people whose job is to speak truth to power because he doesn’t want Americans to know what the Russians are really doing. Without our Intel community, how can we protect ourselves? Who will keep Russia in check? How many good experienced operatives are we going to lose?
Putin must be laughing his ass off.

Who will keep trump in check too.

I posted the below on another thread. Applies to your above comments.

Our paranoid 'president' has begun The Purge':

Trump embarks on expansive search for disloyalty as administration-wide purge escalates

President Trump has instructed his White House to identify and force out officials across his administration who are not seen as sufficiently loyal, a post-impeachment escalation that administration officials say reflects a new phase of a campaign of retribution and restructuring ahead of the November election.

Johnny McEntee, Trump’s former personal aide who now leads the effort as director of presidential personnel, has begun combing through various agencies with a mandate from the president to oust or sideline political appointees who have not proved their loyalty, according to several administration officials and others familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

The push comes in the aftermath of an impeachment process in which several members of Trump’s administration provided damning testimony about his behavior with regard to Ukraine. The stream of officials publicly criticizing Trump’s actions frustrated the president and caused him to fixate on cleaning house after his acquittal this month.
 
“We want bad people out of our government!” Trump tweeted Feb. 13, kicking off a tumultuous stretch of firings, resignations, controversial appointments and private skirmishes that have since spilled into public view.

Article here: Trump embarks on expansive search for disloyalty as administration-wide purge escalates

It would be nice to know trump's definition of "sufficiently loyal".

[dezii]

Feb 22, 2020 14:57:29 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

To William McRaven I would say that quoting Burke after three years of this nonsense is being a little slow on the uptake. And, unless he does more than just write an opinion piece, he should consider himself as one of the men and women who stood by and did nothing. IMO that would make him indifferent to what his relative silence causes at best

Help me out here...what was he and others who had concerns do?

Assassination is a no, no....Beyond speaking out and if a criticism then they are out of a job..I am sure many feel by staying in the assigned positions they can hold off the wrong decisions as best they can but after a while Trump fires or replaces them and he has no concerns if they are needed .

The Germans did a great job of misinformation with the top military officers of the Soviet Union..Stalin bought into their misinformation 100%  and either murdered his most experienced military folks or sent them to Siberian prison camps...When Germany invaded the Soviets the Barbarossa campaign, there were few qualified top military folks left,,,Soviets lost big time...U don't train most experienced staff officers who control millions over night..

With all the replacements by the Donald of the most qualified because of his gut feelings or worse..I am sure the Russian leadership is keeping count...probably the Chinese too... 

My longtime best friend and his wife dropped in for a visit last week. 
His son in law is with the State department..about six years now...he is in charge of a desk of a European country{no, won't say} Is unbelievable bright...My friends daughter is a lawyer, also working for the State Department...very, very , very bright and sharp...has been offered many six figure jobs  but is working for State...with husband.  Friend told me...man gets another term, both may leave..

Now before u say let em go...these are very bright people, highly skilled , both can earn much more in private practice...yet love public service, but this is the feeling of many of their peers too...and yet the Donald cares little about keeping such people working for the country..

Is suspicious of the whole bunch of them because they , in his mind, are not willing to kiss his butt in reverence.

Seems to be the feeling of so many of our top military commanders too.
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[tbop77]

Just four short years ago.....

Trump's new intel chief was a Trump critic in 2016


“Trump is dangerous. Wake up. He’s reckless,” he replied on another occasion to a user who had written “vote Trump.”

Grenell wrote, “If you think Trump knows foreign policy issues then absolutely yes, you are stupid.”


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-new-intel-chief-was-a-trump-critic-in-2016/ar-BB10fZP7?ocid=spartanntp

[tallguy]

Feb 22, 2020 12:41:28 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

'USA Intelligence' under trump is sorely lacking.

USA Intelligence IN Trump is nonexistent.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 23, 2020 9:27:54 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Just four short years ago.....

Trump's new intel chief was a Trump critic in 2016


“Trump is dangerous. Wake up. He’s reckless,” he replied on another occasion to a user who had written “vote Trump.”

Grenell wrote, “If you think Trump knows foreign policy issues then absolutely yes, you are stupid.”


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-new-intel-chief-was-a-trump-critic-in-2016/ar-BB10fZP7?ocid=spartanntp

And what happened to Lindsey Graham? From 2015:

[thyme4change]

Feb 23, 2020 10:45:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Feb 23, 2020 9:27:54 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Just four short years ago.....

Trump's new intel chief was a Trump critic in 2016


“Trump is dangerous. Wake up. He’s reckless,” he replied on another occasion to a user who had written “vote Trump.”

Grenell wrote, “If you think Trump knows foreign policy issues then absolutely yes, you are stupid.”


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-new-intel-chief-was-a-trump-critic-in-2016/ar-BB10fZP7?ocid=spartanntp

And what happened to Lindsey Graham? From 2015:

He found out he would lose his job unless he sucked a very specific penis.

[Tennesseer]

Feb 23, 2020 10:52:20 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Feb 23, 2020 10:45:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

And what happened to Lindsey Graham? From 2015:

He found out he would lose his job unless he sucked a very specific penis.

Graham must enjoy eating mushrooms.

[dezii]

Feb 23, 2020 10:52:20 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Feb 23, 2020 10:45:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

And what happened to Lindsey Graham? From 2015:

He found out he would lose his job unless he sucked a very specific penis.

crude...…………………………...but some truth there!

[thyme4change]

Feb 23, 2020 13:56:09 GMT -5 dezii said:

Feb 23, 2020 10:52:20 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

He found out he would lose his job unless he sucked a very specific penis.

crude...…………………………...but some truth there!

It is a metaphor. He may literally suck any dick he wants. But, he shouldn't be so contradictory in his political beliefs.

[dezii]

Feb 23, 2020 20:19:13 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Feb 23, 2020 13:56:09 GMT -5 dezii said:

crude...…………………………...but some truth there!

It is a metaphor. He may literally suck any dick he wants. But, he shouldn't be so contradictory in his political beliefs.

he's contradictory in so many things it's hard to point out which ones are the most important...near impossible actually.

[countrygirl2]

I hope the good people stay, I know it has to be an impossible job but hopefully they can help keep the government from totally imploding.

[happyhoix]

Nope. Trump's got people making lists of 'deep state' (which means, anyone who hasn't fawned over him lately) federal employees that he's getting ready to purge. If he gets elected, it'll just be him, his kids, Jared Kushner and a handful of toadies trying to run the country from the WH, as we go to hell, our hand basket in screaming flames. 

[thyme4change]

Feb 24, 2020 19:01:22 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nope. Trump's got people making lists of 'deep state' (which means, anyone who hasn't fawned over him lately) federal employees that he's getting ready to purge. If he gets elected, it'll just be him, his kids, Jared Kushner and a handful of toadies trying to run the country from the WH, as we go to hell, our hand basket in screaming flames. 

The original deep state conspiracy was McCarthy. How have we not learned anything?

The good news, is that it will pass. I just hope it doesn't do irreparable damage before then.

[bean29]

I think it is rather terrifying. So even if we manage to elect a Democrat, the only ones left in Federal Positions are Trump Loayalists - so we force the rest of the Federal staff out and hire all new people? No one in the federal Gov't then has any experience.

Putin is Laughing his ass off right now.

[NastyWoman]

Feb 24, 2020 19:01:22 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nope. Trump's got people making lists of 'deep state' (which means, anyone who hasn't fawned over him lately) federal employees that he's getting ready to purge. If he gets elected, it'll just be him, his kids, Jared Kushner and a handful of toadies trying to run the country from the WH, as we go to hell, our hand basket in screaming flames. 

They are looking to keep only the royalists oops I meant to say loyalist. But whatever the coronation can't be that far off in the future the way this is all unfolding