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Post by happyhoix on Feb 21, 2020 21:57:57 GMT -5
Obama pardoned a bunch of low level drug criminals in order to send a message that he thought the existing laws that require prison time for holding small amounts of drugs were excessive. What message do you think Trump is sending by pardoning a bunch of white collar criminals who were mostly convicted of corruption sends? He might of seen 11 year old girls preforming sex acts on older men behind the roller rink for money, like I have seen, so they can support their habit ? (bolded) So he doesn't pardon convicted drug criminals ? For some reason, white collar crime seems less 'offensive'. ymam.proboards.com/post/3093569/threadTell that to Bernie Madoff's victims. Or all the employees who invested their 401K money in Enron. Compared to the guy who sells joints near the pizza place? No comparison.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 22, 2020 15:24:27 GMT -5
Tell that to Bernie Madoff's victims. Or all the employees who invested their 401K money in Enron. Compared to the guy who sells joints near the pizza place? No comparison. OK. What, you don’t want to argue that putting thousands of mostly brown young males behind bars for years because they got stopped with a bag of weed in their pocket is making America great again? Because I got reams of statistics that says otherwise- unless you’re the owner of one of the big corporate prisons making lots of money because of that policy.
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Post by seriousthistime on Feb 22, 2020 18:10:07 GMT -5
I'm with you, happyhoix, on the general topic, but I think you'll find that there are relatively few individuals who are serving long prison sentences these days because they got stopped with a bag of weed in their pocket. Usually there is something more to it. Prior convictions, gun charges along with the weed, trafficking large amounts, conspiracy to traffick, etc. Most states want to release prisoners early. If a prisoner has been on good behavior and his/her criminal history isn't violent, he/she will likely be considered for early release. Unfortunately, sometimes people do not behave in prison, and that conduct can add to what would have been a short sentence. Still, it's a fact that the sentences for white collar crime are much lower than they are for street crime. The friends of white collar criminals make the laws. The friends of street criminals don't.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 22, 2020 21:19:58 GMT -5
I'm with you, happyhoix , on the general topic, but I think you'll find that there are relatively few individuals who are serving long prison sentences these days because they got stopped with a bag of weed in their pocket. Usually there is something more to it. Prior convictions, gun charges along with the weed, trafficking large amounts, conspiracy to traffick, etc. Most states want to release prisoners early. If a prisoner has been on good behavior and his/her criminal history isn't violent, he/she will likely be considered for early release. Unfortunately, sometimes people do not behave in prison, and that conduct can add to what would have been a short sentence. Still, it's a fact that the sentences for white collar crime are much lower than they are for street crime. The friends of white collar criminals make the laws. The friends of street criminals don't. And the white collar criminals can afford the high powered lawyers, and have buddies in important positions, including, sometimes, the POTUS, while the lower class people picked up for non violent drug offenses either make due with a less expensive lawyer who probably has 50 other cases just like his or use a court appointed lawyer who probably has 100 cases just like him. Money buys the kind of justice you get, never more today than ever before
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 24, 2020 15:05:43 GMT -5
What, you don’t want to argue that putting thousands of mostly brown young males behind bars for years because they got stopped with a bag of weed in their pocket is making America great again? Because I got reams of statistics that says otherwise- unless you’re the owner of one of the big corporate prisons making lots of money because of that policy. No, I don't have anything to do with the caged prisons that Obama built. I was a wardog, I owned a company that produced weapons/systems for the military. Our difference on this is merely subjective. I think the things that children have to do, to pay for their young addictions, is worse than a few dollars of white collar crime. interesting perspective. misguided, I believe.
white collar crimes affect hundreds or thousands. experimentation with drugs effects few, if any- typically only the user.
how you get that the latter is worse than the former is incomprehendable to me.
#legalizedrugs
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 24, 2020 16:07:06 GMT -5
What, you don’t want to argue that putting thousands of mostly brown young males behind bars for years because they got stopped with a bag of weed in their pocket is making America great again? Because I got reams of statistics that says otherwise- unless you’re the owner of one of the big corporate prisons making lots of money because of that policy. No, I don't have anything to do with the caged prisons that Obama built. I was a wardog, I owned a company that produced weapons/systems for the military. Our difference on this is merely subjective. I think the things that children have to do, to pay for their young addictions, is worse than a few dollars of white collar crime.A few dollars of white collar crime? People have lost everything they worked for and many have contemplated suicide. For Madoff Victims, Scars Remain 10 Years Later www.npr.org/2018/12/23/678238031/for-madoff-victims-scars-remain-10-years-later
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Post by dondub on Feb 24, 2020 17:02:36 GMT -5
Millions lost their homes from white collar crime. Now our deaths of despair have risen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 10:00:23 GMT -5
No, I don't have anything to do with the caged prisons that Obama built. I was a wardog, I owned a company that produced weapons/systems for the military. Our difference on this is merely subjective. I think the things that children have to do, to pay for their young addictions, is worse than a few dollars of white collar crime. interesting perspective. misguided, I believe.
white collar crimes affect hundreds or thousands. experimentation with drugs effects few, if any- typically only the user.
how you get that the latter is worse than the former is incomprehendable to me.
#legalizedrugs
It wouldn't be if you knew the actual numbers. Wasn't talking about experimentation. Was talking about addiction. There are more than a few thousand addicts. There is an estimated 2 million addicted to just opioid based drugs alone.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 25, 2020 10:28:58 GMT -5
interesting perspective. misguided, I believe.
white collar crimes affect hundreds or thousands. experimentation with drugs effects few, if any- typically only the user.
how you get that the latter is worse than the former is incomprehendable to me.
#legalizedrugs
Wasn't talking about experimentation. Was talking about addiction. There are more than a few thousand addicts. Is throwing them in jail helping? How about if we throw the people that created those addicts in jail so future greedy bastards won't use the blueprint.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 10:40:23 GMT -5
Wasn't talking about experimentation. Was talking about addiction. There are more than a few thousand addicts. Is throwing them in jail helping? How about if we throw the people that created those addicts in jail so future greedy bastards won't use the blueprint. Agreed. That was my point about Obama letting so many drug criminals go, After they were already convicted in federal court and serving time in prison These aren't the ones as portrayed by happy, as selling joints behind McDonalds.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 25, 2020 17:39:03 GMT -5
interesting perspective. misguided, I believe.
white collar crimes affect hundreds or thousands. experimentation with drugs effects few, if any- typically only the user.
how you get that the latter is worse than the former is incomprehendable to me.
#legalizedrugs
It wouldn't be if you knew the actual numbers. Wasn't talking about experimentation. Was talking about addiction. There are more than a few thousand addicts. There is an estimated 2 million addicted to just opioid based drugs alone. I can read, jma. that is why I said TYPICALLY, rather than leaving that qualifier out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 9:06:02 GMT -5
It wouldn't be if you knew the actual numbers. Wasn't talking about experimentation. Was talking about addiction. There are more than a few thousand addicts. There is an estimated 2 million addicted to just opioid based drugs alone. I can read, jma. that is why I said TYPICALLY, rather than leaving that qualifier out.
I guess I can't. I missed the "typical" .
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Post by Opti on Feb 26, 2020 10:51:03 GMT -5
Millions lost their homes from white collar crime. Now our deaths of despair have risen. There was a mention last night about the 2008 housing crisis. Initially many people blamed the borrowers, not the people who created new mortgage products to make $$$. The new mortgage products were too extreme and too popular and eventually killed the housing market. Suicides and murder abound when people are losing their homes and livelihoods.
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Post by Opti on Feb 26, 2020 10:58:07 GMT -5
interesting perspective. misguided, I believe.
white collar crimes affect hundreds or thousands. experimentation with drugs effects few, if any- typically only the user.
how you get that the latter is worse than the former is incomprehendable to me.
#legalizedrugs
It wouldn't be if you knew the actual numbers. Wasn't talking about experimentation. Was talking about addiction. There are more than a few thousand addicts. There is an estimated 2 million addicted to just opioid based drugs alone. I disagree with your premise. Is Opiod addiction an issue? Yes? Even with the numbers it is not as dangerous as the tanking of the global banking system, which almost happened during the white collar crime mortgage product crisis otherwise known as the housing crash. The number three dealer of cars in the US, based in Florida, went belly up in bankruptcy. Any business that relied on cash flow such as auto dealers or those using construction loans were in deep straits. Might be different where you are, but I have watched and dealt with several housing crisises in NJ. This last one was the winner so far, hopefully never to be repeated. FWIW, my XH and I closed on our home after the big stock market crash of 1987. Stay tuned for what the stock market and others think now, given its known Trump gutted our federal pandemic response system. Do you think an epidemic is less of a problem than US opoid users/addicts?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 11:50:25 GMT -5
It wouldn't be if you knew the actual numbers. Wasn't talking about experimentation. Was talking about addiction. There are more than a few thousand addicts. There is an estimated 2 million addicted to just opioid based drugs alone. I disagree with your premise. Is Opiod addiction an issue? Yes? Even with the numbers it is not as dangerous as the tanking of the global banking system, which almost happened during the white collar crime mortgage product crisis otherwise known as the housing crash. The number three dealer of cars in the US, based in Florida, went belly up in bankruptcy. Any business that relied on cash flow such as auto dealers or those using construction loans were in deep straits. Might be different where you are, but I have watched and dealt with several housing crisises in NJ. This last one was the winner so far, hopefully never to be repeated. FWIW, my XH and I closed on our home after the big stock market crash of 1987. Stay tuned for what the stock market and others think now, given its known Trump gutted our federal pandemic response system. Do you think an epidemic is less of a problem than US opoid users/addicts? Users/addicts are the victims. Perpetrated by those who distribute. My opinion was that I didn't like Obama's release of federally convicted drug criminals. Global banking system ? Mortgage product crisis ? Florida car dealers ? Construction loans ? NJ housing Crisis ? Corona epidemic comparison to opioids ? The rest of what your posting, is a wandering premise initiated by happy.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 26, 2020 14:37:58 GMT -5
.. Users/addicts are the victims. Perpetrated by those who distribute. ... Shooters are the victims. Perpetrated by those who distribute.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 26, 2020 16:53:34 GMT -5
I disagree with your premise. Is Opiod addiction an issue? Yes? Even with the numbers it is not as dangerous as the tanking of the global banking system, which almost happened during the white collar crime mortgage product crisis otherwise known as the housing crash. The number three dealer of cars in the US, based in Florida, went belly up in bankruptcy. Any business that relied on cash flow such as auto dealers or those using construction loans were in deep straits. Might be different where you are, but I have watched and dealt with several housing crisises in NJ. This last one was the winner so far, hopefully never to be repeated. FWIW, my XH and I closed on our home after the big stock market crash of 1987. Stay tuned for what the stock market and others think now, given its known Trump gutted our federal pandemic response system. Do you think an epidemic is less of a problem than US opoid users/addicts? Users/addicts are the victims. Perpetrated by those who distribute. My opinion was that I didn't like Obama's release of federally convicted drug criminals. Global banking system ? Mortgage product crisis ? Florida car dealers ? Construction loans ? NJ housing Crisis ? Corona epidemic comparison to opioids ? The rest of what your posting, is a wandering premise initiated by happy. i believe that Obama pardoned 3-strikes inmates. I am absolutely in favor of doing that.
nobody should spend 10 years in jail for a minor drug posession offense. nobody.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 13:38:14 GMT -5
Users/addicts are the victims. Perpetrated by those who distribute. My opinion was that I didn't like Obama's release of federally convicted drug criminals. Global banking system ? Mortgage product crisis ? Florida car dealers ? Construction loans ? NJ housing Crisis ? Corona epidemic comparison to opioids ? The rest of what your posting, is a wandering premise initiated by happy. i believe that Obama pardoned 3-strikes inmates. I am absolutely in favor of doing that.
nobody should spend 10 years in jail for a minor drug posession offense. nobody.
Do you know ? OK.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 13:41:42 GMT -5
.. Users/addicts are the victims. Perpetrated by those who distribute. ... Shooters are the victims. Perpetrated by those who distribute. Irrelevant analogy, as it's not illegal to buy a gun.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 27, 2020 15:41:16 GMT -5
Shooters are the victims. Perpetrated by those who distribute. Irrelevant analogy, as it's not illegal to buy a gun. Shooters who have a prior felony conviction are the victims. Perpetrated by those who distribute.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 7:42:13 GMT -5
Irrelevant analogy, as it's not illegal to buy a gun. Shooters who have a prior felony conviction are the victims. Perpetrated by those who distribute. As in chemically addicted to guns ?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 28, 2020 9:17:18 GMT -5
Shooters who have a prior felony conviction are the victims. Perpetrated by those who distribute. As in chemically addicted to guns ? So is this an "in addition to" being illegal or a new stand alone criteria for victimhood?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 11:57:01 GMT -5
As in chemically addicted to guns ? So is this an "in addition to" being illegal or a new stand alone criteria for victimhood? Have fun. Third line, reply #174
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 28, 2020 12:09:13 GMT -5
So is this an "in addition to" being illegal or a new stand alone criteria for victimhood? Have fun. Third line, reply #174uh.....there are less than 100 replies on this thread, jma.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 12:13:18 GMT -5
Have fun. Third line, reply #174uh.....there are less than 100 replies on this thread, jma. Typo, #74 Thanks.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 28, 2020 13:19:45 GMT -5
So is this an "in addition to" being illegal or a new stand alone criteria for victimhood? Have fun. Third line, reply #174 Yeah. there are things that I don't like either. I was addressing what you offered as statements of fact in lines one and two.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 14:16:38 GMT -5
Have fun. Third line, reply #174 Yeah. there are things that I don't like either. I was addressing what you offered as statements of fact in lines one and two.If you were following from my first post on this thread, you would have known I was referencing children as the drug victims.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 14:20:17 GMT -5
Oops, it's not there.
I might of deleted it as it referred to my personal experience of viewing an 11 year old girl, and what she was doing to support her new habit.
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