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Post by ripvanwinkle on Feb 11, 2020 21:06:11 GMT -5
During lunch at work today, the topic of non GMO foods came up for some reason. My coworker is a sweet young 22yr old woman. Kind of innocent I think. Still learning about life. She shops at Trader Joes, Whole foods and similar stores for her groceries.
I explained to the best of my knowledge that I think all foods are genetically modified. I mean the food we eat now is not the same food that was produced, grown, bred 100 or 200 years ago. Corn, wheat, rice, potatoes, livestock have all been "modified" in one way or another to resist disease, produce more etc.
Unless farmers have seeds from 100+ years ago, how could any food now be non GMO?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 11, 2020 21:27:14 GMT -5
? "Here at Annie's we LOVE heirlooms! Old seed varieties with amazing flavor that grow well in your garden. Grow heirlooms and enjoy the vegetables that your Grandparents grew with the flavor that you can only remember!" Heirloom seeds
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Post by kadee79 on Feb 11, 2020 22:19:07 GMT -5
Rip...you need to look up the difference between hybridized & genetically modified. There is a BIG difference.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Feb 11, 2020 22:36:46 GMT -5
Rip...you need to look up the difference between hybridized & genetically modified. There is a BIG difference. I did and I came across this. I don't see the difference other than the way it's done. It's been done for a thousand years. No food we eat today has not been modified in some way or another. It's all modified.
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Post by oped on Feb 11, 2020 22:37:52 GMT -5
Cross pollinating is no different than gene splicing??
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Post by oped on Feb 11, 2020 22:41:24 GMT -5
RNA interference: Individual undesirable genes in plants are inactivated in order to remove any undesired traits.
Transgenics: A gene is taken from one species and implanted in another in order to introduce a desirable trait.
[These] two methods listed are considered types of genetic engineering...
From your article...
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Feb 12, 2020 2:02:35 GMT -5
RNA interference: Individual undesirable genes in plants are inactivated in order to remove any undesired traits. Transgenics: A gene is taken from one species and implanted in another in order to introduce a desirable trait. [These] two methods listed are considered types of genetic engineering... From your article... I guess my take is what does it matter. If science can make a plant resistant to disease, drought, insects, more productive to feed more people I'm all for it. I don't understand why people are so against it.
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Post by oped on Feb 12, 2020 6:56:55 GMT -5
1) because we have no real idea what these foods do to people long term. We constantly learn after the fact that manufactured things we put in our bodies are not good for us and antithesis to their goals actually provide less nutrition and greater intolerance
2) because there are very real incidences of these plants becoming invasive and drowning out natural plants
3) because corporations should not own the means of food production
4) because GMOs support a monoculture agricultural system
5) roundup ready...
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Post by tractor on Feb 12, 2020 9:21:52 GMT -5
I miss my GMO’s when they take them out. They’re what keeps me going 🙂
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Post by bean29 on Feb 12, 2020 10:13:17 GMT -5
A few years ago I realized that I have very adverse reaction to eating corn. When I was a kid, I was able to eat corn, but now if I eat it, I end up with very uncomfortable/undesirable reactions. When I was reading up on corn allergies, I hit upon a possible reason - GMO corn. In the US, companies do not have to disclose if a product is GMO - so there is no way to avoid it.
I avoid all corn including corn oil and corn syrup and corn starch. Someone asked me if I could tolerate Organic Corn, but I have not investigated it.
But it could also be that I am simply Allergic to Corn - My Dad was allergic to corn, and they did not diagnose his Allergies until mid-life either.
I was once tested for Allergies and I did not test to have a corn allergy at that time.
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Post by oped on Feb 12, 2020 10:21:31 GMT -5
Testing for allergies means testing for a histamine reaction. You can definitely have an intolerance for something, be unable to process it or have it make you ill, without having a histamine response.
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Post by sesfw on Feb 12, 2020 21:55:51 GMT -5
I now have allergies to some foods that I didn't before. However I think it's one of the side effects of chemo/radiation.
I guess with big business Monsanto after a higher profit and messing around with food products for so long, it's hard to know what won't have adverse effects. Too many generations of seeds and people have passed to really know what is what.
I do know the tomatoes I grow here at home taste a lot better than ones from grocery. But that could be the amount of care I put into my little garden.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 12, 2020 23:24:56 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm still on the fence with GMO foods. I try not to think in bumper stickers and talking points because "my side" says so. If something interests me, I research the hell out of it. I read the Pro sides and the Con sides. Frankly, I haven't seen any conclusive evidence either way.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 13, 2020 9:33:45 GMT -5
RNA interference: Individual undesirable genes in plants are inactivated in order to remove any undesired traits. Transgenics: A gene is taken from one species and implanted in another in order to introduce a desirable trait. [These] two methods listed are considered types of genetic engineering... From your article... I guess my take is what does it matter. If science can make a plant resistant to disease, drought, insects, more productive to feed more people I'm all for it. I don't understand why people are so against it. Well, for one, it gives an entity (like a corporation) control over who and who doesn't get their seeds. Who ever controls the seeds controls the price. If you thought dictatorial countries with "central planning" of what gets produced (food and/or goods) was/is a bad thing... this doesn't look all that different. second, there's cross pollination between the GMO plants and whatever is near by (or not so near by). This actually effects all kinds of plants. A field of 'special' plants might cross pollinate with the same crops down the road - and the outcome isn't always known (will the cross pollination cause that farmers yield to be worthless?) . The gmo plants can (and do) become invasive. third, there isn't much research on the effects of eating GMO foods. I'm a bit "meh" on this one. Fourth, it decreases the genetic diversity of the plants (and animals) we eat (a resource). Meaning if something happens to our 1 or 2 kinds of plant/critters (in that type of food) - there isn't anything to take it's place. I'm concerned about the possible outcomes from 1, 2, and 4.
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