Does suspension of global re-entry in NY state

[Deleted]

affect the comings and goings of US and Canadian citizens who live close to the Canadian border? For instance, those who cross the border to shop or to work?

[Tennesseer]

Feb 6, 2020 7:55:03 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

affect the comings and goings of US and Canadian citizens who live close to the Canadian border? For instance, those who cross the border to shop or to work?

What's driving your question? Background?

[steph08]

www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/us/politics/dhs-new-york-global-entry.html

[Tennesseer]

Feb 6, 2020 9:30:48 GMT -5 steph08 said:

www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/us/politics/dhs-new-york-global-entry.html

Thanks.

[Tennesseer]

trump hates New York state for rejecting him.  How pathetic.

[swamp]

Feb 6, 2020 7:55:03 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

affect the comings and goings of US and Canadian citizens who live close to the Canadian border? For instance, those who cross the border to shop or to work?

Not that I'm aware of.  I have several friends/acquaintances that cross the border daily, and none of them have reported any problems.    

[Tennesseer]

Feb 6, 2020 7:55:03 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

affect the comings and goings of US and Canadian citizens who live close to the Canadian border? For instance, those who cross the border to shop or to work?

Reads to me if one is already enrolled in the program they are okay. Just no future enrollments at this time.

[chiver78]

it sounds like it suspension of new enrollments to the program. I didn't see anything about revoking or suspending any registrations that already exist.

[Deleted]

I was just curious. Michigan is another one of those states where citizens on both sides come and go a lot,and in Noember they introduced a bill to bring back driver's licenses and IDs for those who are undocumented. They did allow them until about 10 years ago. 

The wording of the articles I've read had me a little confused. I get it now. Thanks.

[wvugurl26]

The article I read said current participants would not be allow to renew when their current term expires. I don't think it would survive a court challenge but that probably takes years. I needed my passport for global entry not my driver's license.

[Deleted]

Feb 6, 2020 10:05:21 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

The article I read said current participants would not be allow to renew when their current term expires. I don't think it would survive a court challenge but that probably takes years. I needed my passport for global entry not my driver's license.

No, no, what I meant was that the re-entry thing is what appears to be retaliation for the state allowing the undocumented to get a driver's license.

[wvugurl26]

It's completely vindictive against New York for allowing them to get licenses. That's why I think it won't survive a court challenge.

[oped]

Feb 6, 2020 9:45:03 GMT -5 swamp said:

Feb 6, 2020 7:55:03 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

affect the comings and goings of US and Canadian citizens who live close to the Canadian border? For instance, those who cross the border to shop or to work?

Not that I'm aware of.  I have several friends/acquaintances that cross the border daily, and none of them have reported any problems.    

Current issues aren’t a problem.., restriction is on new or renewals.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Feb 6, 2020 7:55:03 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

affect the comings and goings of US and Canadian citizens who live close to the Canadian border? For instance, those who cross the border to shop or to work?

Yep, NEXUS is included too.  I am in WA and probably cross at least weekly.  I am watching this carefully.  

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Feb 6, 2020 9:45:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Feb 6, 2020 7:55:03 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

affect the comings and goings of US and Canadian citizens who live close to the Canadian border? For instance, those who cross the border to shop or to work?

Reads to me if one is already enrolled in the program they are okay. Just no future enrollments at this time.

These are only good for 5 years.  I have had to reenroll twice since I got mine.  

The bigger concern would be whether they are revoked.  DHS can revoke your card for even an inadvertent violation.  I can see something like this happening easily.  

[Tennesseer]

Feb 6, 2020 11:44:39 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Feb 6, 2020 7:55:03 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

affect the comings and goings of US and Canadian citizens who live close to the Canadian border? For instance, those who cross the border to shop or to work?

Yep, NEXUS is included too.  I am in WA and probably cross at least weekly.  I am watching this carefully.  

trump was never a resident of Washington state so you are probably safe.

NY was a big, bad meanie to trump. That's why he moved his official residence to Florida (plus if trump files bankruptcy yet again, he cannot lose Mar-a-lago to creditors).

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Feb 6, 2020 11:54:32 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Feb 6, 2020 11:44:39 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Yep, NEXUS is included too.  I am in WA and probably cross at least weekly.  I am watching this carefully.  

trump was never a resident of Washington state so you are probably safe.

NY was a big, bad meanie to trump. That's why he moved his official residence to Florida (plus if trump files bankruptcy yet again, he cannot lose Mar-a-lago to creditors).

No, but Trump is a vindictive bastard and I can see him doing this elsewhere to other sanctuary states.  PLUS the fact that my NEXUS originated in NY.  

When I applied, I was living in KY.  I had my interview in Champlain NY (i was up helping my dad) and since then, that has been where I have renewed through.  

[Gardening Grandma]

Sure seems vindictive.  Wonder if WA state is next.  I just renewed mine a few months ago and DH's last month.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Feb 6, 2020 12:13:50 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Sure seems vindictive.  Wonder if WA state is next.  I just renewed mine a few months ago and DH's last month.

TD renewed his NEXUS in 2018, me last year.  So both of us have some time left before we renew.  

Who knows how long it will take the courts to intervene.....if they do.

[NastyWoman]

California should be high on the list of "let's take that away" When I came back from Europe after Xmas, only those in the Global Entry program managed to get past passport control in under an hour! No electronic passport scanning or anything else was available.

[jerseygirl]

Apparently NY obscured information to Homeland security for the Global entry programs from NY drivers licenses. GE requires this info so now can’t obtain the info
NY obscured drivers license info due (in part?) to giving driver licenses to illegals

[teen persuasion]

Feb 6, 2020 20:47:43 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Apparently NY obscured information to Homeland security for the Global entry programs from NY drivers licenses. GE requires this info so now can’t obtain the info
NY obscured drivers license info due (in part?) to giving driver licenses to illegals

Basically.

As explained by my sister (works with DHS/CBP), the new Green Light law gives drivers licenses to anyone, regardless of legal/illegal status.  Afraid that ICE could use the DMV database to locate illegal immigrants, NY cut off DHS/CBP/ICE access to the DMV database.  Which makes it really hard for CBP to do their job, they can't run plates, can't check licenses, etc.

This latest volley seems to be in retaliation, to get residents to hound Cuomo into reversing the Green Light law.  Well, if we can't look up potential criminals' info in the DMV database, we also can't look up info to pre-approve residents.

Even before this, some local politicians were fighting the implementation in the DMV offices, didn't want to be giving out NYS drivers licenses w/o enough ID provided. Clerks weren't sure how to make decisions, if it was their responsibility, etc.

[jerseygirl]

Feb 7, 2020 22:12:55 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Feb 6, 2020 20:47:43 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Apparently NY obscured information to Homeland security for the Global entry programs from NY drivers licenses. GE requires this info so now can’t obtain the info
NY obscured drivers license info due (in part?) to giving driver licenses to illegals

Basically.

As explained by my sister (works with DHS/CBP), the new Green Light law gives drivers licenses to anyone, regardless of legal/illegal status.  Afraid that ICE could use the DMV database to locate illegal immigrants, NY cut off DHS/CBP/ICE access to the DMV database.  Which makes it really hard for CBP to do their job, they can't run plates, can't check licenses, etc.

This latest volley seems to be in retaliation, to get residents to hound Cuomo into reversing the Green Light law.  Well, if we can't look up potential criminals' info in the DMV database, we also can't look up info to pre-approve rest.

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How is this ‘retaliation ‘ if DHS can’t look up info which is needed?

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Feb 8, 2020 0:57:14 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Feb 7, 2020 22:12:55 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Basically.

As explained by my sister (works with DHS/CBP), the new Green Light law gives drivers licenses to anyone, regardless of legal/illegal status.  Afraid that ICE could use the DMV database to locate illegal immigrants, NY cut off DHS/CBP/ICE access to the DMV database.  Which makes it really hard for CBP to do their job, they can't run plates, can't check licenses, etc.

This latest volley seems to be in retaliation, to get residents to hound Cuomo into reversing the Green Light law.  Well, if we can't look up potential criminals' info in the DMV database, we also can't look up info to pre-approve rest.

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How is this ‘retaliation ‘ if DHS can’t look up info which is needed?

Why would DHS be looking up driver’s license info to approve a card?  You do not need a driver’s license to access it, only a passport.  Children can have a GE entry card, but no DL.  So it does not make sense that the DHS would need access to the DMV database, other than to data mine.  

[wvugurl26]

Feb 8, 2020 1:47:09 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Feb 8, 2020 0:57:14 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

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How is this ‘retaliation ‘ if DHS can’t look up info which is needed?

Why would DHS be looking up driver’s license info to approve a card?  You do not need a driver’s license to access it, only a passport.  Children can have a GE entry card, but no DL.  So it does not make sense that the DHS would need access to the DMV database, other than to data mine.  

That's what I said. When I got Global Entry they weren't concerned with my driver's license.

California is probably another likely target for this type of policy.

[chiver78]

Feb 6, 2020 20:47:43 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Apparently NY obscured information to Homeland security for the Global entry programs from NY drivers licenses. GE requires this info so now can’t obtain the info
NY obscured drivers license info due (in part?) to giving driver licenses to illegals

but you can obtain Global Entry with a passport, so why does it matter what NY did with their state-issued licenses? well, except being petty because they are blocking his other efforts. 

[teen persuasion]

Battle over TTP devolves into federal state stalemate

Cuomo said the Trump administration was trying to extort New York into changing its new "Green Light law," which both allows undocumented immigrants to get driver's licenses and bars DHS agents from accessing state driving records.

Referring to Trump, Cuomo said: "You can't use the government to come up with an arbitrary policy that hurts hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers to make your political point. You can't do that. It's an abuse of power. It is extortion. And it's exactly what you did at Ukraine."

"This is purely political retaliation," she said. "I mean, there's lot of New Yorkers that have Global Entry that have never had a driver's license."

But the Empire State is the only one that combined that move with language blocking federal customs and immigration agencies from access to state driving records – which, federal officials said, explains why New York was targeted.

"President Trump has certainly made it clear that if a sanctuary state won't keep their people safe, we will do the best we can to keep them safe," he said.