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Post by gs11rmb on Jan 24, 2020 10:40:11 GMT -5
Right? Why would driving a POS make you think an employee was stealing from the company? It wouldn't. But it might make you think that employee was having financial problems. The point isn't to catch the employees who ARE stealing, it's to red flag employees that seem susceptible to pressure to steal. My husband is in the Army Reserves and occasionally active duty. He's had various security clearances and I know that one of the ways to be denied is to have financial problems. In this instance they don't want people who are susceptible to being bribed. Even without any other evidence that a person is/could be disloyal being up to your eyes in debt will get you denied.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 10:41:39 GMT -5
Right? Why would driving a POS make you think an employee was stealing from the company? It wouldn't. But it might make you think that employee was having financial problems. The point isn't to catch the employees who ARE stealing, it's to red flag employees that seem susceptible to pressure to steal. Meanwhile the guy parked next to him in the new 60K SUV could be way over his head in debt.
I don't know how anyone can come to any conclusions about someone's finances by what they choose to drive. That's just stupid.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 24, 2020 10:45:19 GMT -5
It wouldn't. But it might make you think that employee was having financial problems. The point isn't to catch the employees who ARE stealing, it's to red flag employees that seem susceptible to pressure to steal. Meanwhile the guy parked next to him in the new 60K SUV could be way over his head in debt.
I don't know how anyone can come to any conclusions about someone's finances by what they choose to drive. That's just stupid.
It's not about "conclusions", it's about red flags.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 24, 2020 10:46:22 GMT -5
Who’s hanging out in the parking lot taking notes? I am assuming this is a rather large company if they have HR and Finance Dept.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 24, 2020 10:46:37 GMT -5
Glad I don't work in finance. I drive my cars into the ground, they are a means to get from Point A to Point B so if it runs I keep driving it. They would have had a field day with my 2005 Impala.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 10:48:57 GMT -5
Meanwhile the guy parked next to him in the new 60K SUV could be way over his head in debt.
I don't know how anyone can come to any conclusions about someone's finances by what they choose to drive. That's just stupid.
It's not about "conclusions", it's about red flags. So, their solution for dealing with a person they feel may be having financial problems that could put the company at risk is to insist they buy a new car?
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 24, 2020 10:50:28 GMT -5
It wouldn't. But it might make you think that employee was having financial problems. The point isn't to catch the employees who ARE stealing, it's to red flag employees that seem susceptible to pressure to steal. Meanwhile the guy parked next to him in the new 60K SUV could be way over his head in debt.
I don't know how anyone can come to any conclusions about someone's finances by what they choose to drive. That's just stupid.
I had someone tell me I must have divorced well based on the car I was driving! They didn’t know me before divorce but just saw me come to work in a “new to me” sports car about 5 months later.
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Post by swamp on Jan 24, 2020 10:53:48 GMT -5
It's not about "conclusions", it's about red flags. So, their solution for dealing with a person they feel may be having financial problems that could put the company at risk is to insist they buy a new car?
<<snort>>
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 11:30:18 GMT -5
It's not about "conclusions", it's about red flags. So, their solution for dealing with a person they feel may be having financial problems that could put the company at risk is to insist they buy a new car?
Pffft. If the company is that concerned about an employee having financial problems, then the company should pony up and buy 'em a new car. Or give 'em a raise so that they can afford to buy their own.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 24, 2020 11:55:57 GMT -5
I do not think that this is real.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 24, 2020 12:37:33 GMT -5
I'm trying to get in the head of the employer. I wonder if they like to keep people tied to their jobs by making sure they are spending enough. At some point, someone in that company decided the guy might have either a drug habit, or FU money. Neither are good for the employer (although I became a much better employee when I had a cushion - but I'm weird). They might be using the car as an excuse to dig deeper, and if they can convince the guy (or gal) to sink 50 or 60k into a car, the employee is dependent on them again. Maybe? ♫ Another day older and deeper in debt Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store ♫
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 24, 2020 12:48:11 GMT -5
I'm trying to get in the head of the employer. I wonder if they like to keep people tied to their jobs by making sure they are spending enough. At some point, someone in that company decided the guy might have either a drug habit, or FU money. Neither are good for the employer (although I became a much better employee when I had a cushion - but I'm weird). They might be using the car as an excuse to dig deeper, and if they can convince the guy (or gal) to sink 50 or 60k into a car, the employee is dependent on them again. Maybe? ♫ Another day older and deeper in debt Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store ♫ I don't really think this is the case though. Job mobility is so good these days, you're not actually tying anyone to you as an employer by making sure they are spending enough. They're just tying them to "A" job, not YOUR job. You also have to look at it as whether there are really THAT many people out there who have SO much money saved up that they could just walk away from working altogether. We already know the vast majority of the population has practically nothing saved, much less FU money.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jan 24, 2020 12:59:23 GMT -5
The skeptic in me says this is a fake!
That was my first thought.
Assuming it's not, if it was me, I would be furious and would fight this with every ounce of my being. If I didn't care about my job there at all I'd be sending this to Dave Ramsey. He'd have an absolute field day publicly shaming this company.
That guy was/is so awesome. He drove an old Chrysler Sebring and used to help us warehouse kids out loading trucks when we were really busy even though he was worth hundreds of millions. That was 25 years ago. He is so stinking rich these days. He's paying half of my kids tuition to school (along with every other kid in the private schools system K-12) as well as bought the college campus the school is located at. He's basically single handedly rebuilding our downtown.
Fabulous and very kind CEO!!
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 24, 2020 13:59:41 GMT -5
Five seconds after I got that email I would be heading to a lawyer. And I'd be looking for a new job. You wouldn't have to look for a new job. You could retire on the settlement from the lawsuit. I'm not a lawyer, but I am really having trouble imagining that this letter would garnish a single dollar in a settlement. Even if they fired you over it, I'd be surprised if you walked away with more than a year of salary after you paid your lawyer's fees. I believe the mountains of money from employers settling out of court for the average joe has been greatly exaggerated.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 24, 2020 14:42:10 GMT -5
You wouldn't have to look for a new job. You could retire on the settlement from the lawsuit. I'm not a lawyer, but I am really having trouble imagining that this letter would garnish a single dollar in a settlement. Even if they fired you over it, I'd be surprised if you walked away with more than a year of salary after you paid your lawyer's fees. I believe the mountains of money from employers settling out of court for the average joe has been greatly exaggerated. Especially when we're talking literally about someone being offended over something that isn't any part of a protected class.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 24, 2020 15:36:14 GMT -5
Fired while pregnant may get you a year. This can't be worth more than that.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jan 24, 2020 20:26:50 GMT -5
Sad and horrible.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 24, 2020 20:48:42 GMT -5
I don't think it's real. But if it was, i think documenting it like this helps the employee more than the employer. If it was real my guess is a recent HR grad that did this on his own thinking he will impress the boss.
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Post by tractor on Jan 25, 2020 8:40:05 GMT -5
Back in the “old” days. Our company CEO would base raises on the condition of your car. It became a game to see who could drive the oldest, junkiest car to work. Our current CEO won when he first started out as an engineer he drove a VW rabbit that leaked oil in the parking lot, so he had to park it on the grass and check the oil every day before he left.
This was 30-years ago, now nobody cares and we have a more traditional salary system.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 25, 2020 8:55:12 GMT -5
I was bookkeeper for construction company and my boss drove a beater of a pickup. Someone asked him when he was going to get a new truck. (He had a Cadillac or Lincoln that his wife drove.) He said he didn't dare drive a "fancy" truck to call on big wigs at paper mills and chemical plants. We did mostly shutdowns at the plants. He said they might think they were giving him to many jobs
ETA: like Tractor said though - this was 30 years ago. He's probably driving a BMW SUV to job sites now if BMW make a SUV - I'm not much on cars
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 25, 2020 11:20:58 GMT -5
I'm not a lawyer, but I am really having trouble imagining that this letter would garnish a single dollar in a settlement. Even if they fired you over it, I'd be surprised if you walked away with more than a year of salary after you paid your lawyer's fees. I believe the mountains of money from employers settling out of court for the average joe has been greatly exaggerated. Especially when we're talking literally about someone being offended over something that isn't any part of a protected class. This. So much this. Tell me which law was violated? At most, he’d/she’d get some pocket change to go away. Employers have all sorts of ridiculous policies that can and do infringe upon our personal sensibilities. Just ask my DH whose company has/had some very detailed policies regarding hand washing (in a non-food-related business) imposed by his boss with previously untreated OCD. That doesn’t mean you can sue over policies you don’t like and automatically win big.
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Post by alabamagal on Jan 25, 2020 12:40:58 GMT -5
When DS got his first job out of college at HQ for a major insurance company, we helped him out by doing some cosmetic fixes to his 10 year old car. There was a major dent in his rear bumper. We didn’t think it would look good to have a damaged car working in the car insurance business.
He drove the car for 2 years, then sold to his sister for $500 who had it for a year.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 25, 2020 13:05:17 GMT -5
Especially when we're talking literally about someone being offended over something that isn't any part of a protected class. This. So much this. Tell me which law was violated? At most, he’d/she’d get some pocket change to go away. Employers have all sorts of ridiculous policies that can and do infringe upon our personal sensibilities. Just ask my DH whose company has/had some very detailed policies regarding hand washing (in a non-food-related business) imposed by his boss with previously untreated OCD. That doesn’t mean you can sue over policies you don’t like and automatically win big. There is such a thing as constructive discharge. That is an employer has created such a hostile work environment for an employee, the employee resigns their employment. An employee does not need to be a member of a protective class to file a claim of constructive discharge though the reason for a hostile environment could be based on an employee's protective class (among other hostile workplace scenarios). In the example in the opening post, if the employee declines to purchase a new vehicle, and management continues with the conversations they allegedly have had with him, management and HR could be creating a hostile work environment for the employee. As there is no other information available other than what is in the linked article, it (in my mind) cannot be determined a hostile work environment has been created at this time. All depends on what happens next and even after that.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 25, 2020 14:37:34 GMT -5
This. So much this. Tell me which law was violated? At most, he’d/she’d get some pocket change to go away. Employers have all sorts of ridiculous policies that can and do infringe upon our personal sensibilities. Just ask my DH whose company has/had some very detailed policies regarding hand washing (in a non-food-related business) imposed by his boss with previously untreated OCD. That doesn’t mean you can sue over policies you don’t like and automatically win big. There is such a thing as constructive discharge. That is an employer has created such a hostile work environment for an employee, the employee resigns their employment. An employee does not need to be a member of a protective class to file a claim of constructive discharge though the reason for a hostile environment could be based on an employee's protective class (among other hostile workplace scenarios). In the example in the opening post, if the employee declines to purchase a new vehicle, and management continues with the conversations they allegedly have had with him, management and HR could be creating a hostile work environment for the employee. As there is no other information available other than what is in the linked article, it (in my mind) cannot be determined a hostile work environment has been created at this time. All depends on what happens next and even after that. Sure, constructive discharge might be actionable. But based on the one email, this employee is not even close yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 19:03:51 GMT -5
That employer would have loved my first pickup truck. It was a little Toyota, older than God, majorly rusted because the previous owner lived on the coast and shrimped part time, and I had to cut the cloth roof liner out because it rotted and fell down on the seats. I inherited it from my father-in-law and adored the truck because it reminded me of him after he died.
I don't think there is much correlation between poverty and theft. A red flag for me would the employee who at their salary level was driving a vehicle 4 or 5 times more than they could seemingly afford. But I sure wouldn't be stupid enough to put that in writing or even say it to the employee's face. Hell, this guy is probably going to be one of those folks who dies in 60 years and leavings millions to some endowment fund or charity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 19:44:49 GMT -5
I guess my 2003 Accord would really have me in hot water with this company. As it is, my job doesn’t care what MY physical condition is, let alone that of my car, as long as I come to work. One of my coworkers damaged my car a couple years ago, trying to park next to my car. I’ve since learned that it’s not really rare for employees’ cars to get damaged while parked on our lots. Apparently a lot of my coworkers can’t drive or park. So no, I’m not excited about parking a shiny new car on our parking lots. Besides, listening to you all, I thought that driving a dependable “beater” made good money sense. Side note.... I’d never call my car a beater within earshot, for fear of hurting her feelings. Did you all steer me wrong? I can see certain careers requiring one to keep up an image as far as vehicles. But if a car is sitting all day without clients ever even seeing it, and definitely not riding in it, what does it matter?
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Post by seriousthistime on Jan 25, 2020 22:00:10 GMT -5
My XH was all about driving prestige. When we split, and the kids got stuck driving the older "prestige" cars, they learned that older prestige still means older, and when a car runs into money (as older prestige cars seem to do), the prestige wears off.
I asked my DS who was burdened with the last older prestige car whether he'd ever buy another one of that make and he said, "NO WAY! ... I'd buy a Tesla though." LOL. His wife asked, "How much are they?" This was before the Model 3 came out. When he said, like $80K, she looked like he had an alien coming out of his forehead. They both walked to work at the time. They still have their 2007 Honda.
I gave up my 2004 Accord with 65,000 miles in 2016 to buy my 2016 CRV. I hated giving up my Accord, but I needed something more visible to other drivers in traffic, and more predictably reliable. Still, the parking lot at work is filled with such cars that I am easily in the bottom half of the pecking order of vehicles. My assistant drives a more prestigious car than I do. I'm sure they are all shaking their heads and wondering why I drive such a boring car.
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Post by buystoys on Jan 26, 2020 7:28:03 GMT -5
Several years ago, one of my coworkers asked me why I didn't buy a new car. I told him that my commute did enough damage to my car and I preferred to keep the money in investments rather than a car. We both laughed.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 26, 2020 8:22:41 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for update on what the VP's are driving - the ones who sent the email. Maybe they are driving a Lamborghini and/or a Bugatti. Inquiring mines want to know
Has anyone seen a follow up of this story? I've clicked and clucked around periodically and haven't found anything to date.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 26, 2020 15:17:02 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for update on what the VP's are driving - the ones who sent the email. Maybe they are driving a Lamborghini and/or a Bugatti. Inquiring mines want to know
Has anyone seen a follow up of this story? I've clicked and clucked around periodically and haven't found anything to date. Given that emails (if real) is from this week, and the company isn't named, the follow up will slow, if at all.
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