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Post by adela76 on Jan 23, 2020 23:45:38 GMT -5
www.yahoo.com/news/hr-email-tries-car-shame-231700881.htmlSomeone posted to twitter a 4-paragraph email from HR directed to an employee. The employee drives a 2005 Camry that is old and has fading paint. The employee does not drive to meet clients or anything, it's "just another car in the garage." Here is the letter in its entirety (the bolding is mine): "As you may know, many companies still use credit checks as part of their hiring process. This is to ensure that the employee can be trusted to make sound financial decisions, has the maturity to manage his/her own financial affairs, and to show signs of financial distress that might indicate risk of theft or fraud. While we do not conduct these checks at this time the gist of the check is valid to us. We have noticed for some time the condition of your vehicle and wanted to discuss the matter with you. We will follow up this email with a personal meeting but wanted to document the discussion beforehand. Since of course your annual salary is known to us and a newer and more appropriate looking vehicle should be within your financial reach, it is our concern that perhaps you are having a difficult time financially. Frankly the concern is that if you cannot afford a newer vehicle then either you may be susceptible to fraud or that you are not responsible for the position your maintain. To be even more frank, it just looks bad. Please let us know if there is a reason that you have not upgraded your vehicle before now. If it is a financial matter then we will need to know the details of the problems you are having. Perhaps it is as simple that you did not know the concern you are raising. Otherwise please address this situation as quickly as possible. We will be happy to refer you to dealerships who we have worked with in the past.Sincerely, VP of HR and VP of Finance"
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 23, 2020 23:48:36 GMT -5
Holy f-n shit! What a dickhead company.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 24, 2020 0:34:39 GMT -5
Mon Dieu!!
I drive a 2005 car. It was a great car for a great price. I guess that means I'm unreliable and will steal.
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Post by schildi on Jan 24, 2020 1:08:35 GMT -5
Wow, that's over the top. What kind of company and HR department is that? Crazy!
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Jan 24, 2020 1:29:13 GMT -5
My wonderful DH drives a 2002 Ford Explorer. His choice. His car. His business. I drive a 2013 Lincoln Navigator. My choice. My car. My business.
I hope that the employee involved asks for a big raise.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 24, 2020 1:56:16 GMT -5
I would love to have the followup conversation with those VPs. I retired early, spend several months each year now away from home, and will now have more money available to me each year than I did when I was working. I still drive a 2002 and will get at least several more years out of it. Don't think I would be needing their advice!
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Post by andi9899 on Jan 24, 2020 5:26:46 GMT -5
I'd start looking for a better place to work.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jan 24, 2020 7:28:16 GMT -5
My husband is driving a 2006, its still a good vehicle and he doesn't want to buy a new one yet. I never heard of such and if I were that employee I might be suing those bastards, talk about intrusive. And how could you continue working for them knowing they are looking down their noses at you, I never heard of such a thing. Our son was driving an old 98 we gave him, till he bought this new truck. He debated on buying it but got concerned it would be unreliable and knew mine had been well cared for, but it wasn't because he was worried about "looking good". In fact he was more concerned about looking to good and having people question how he was able to have so much on even his good salary. If they investigate him he would have to acknowledge our help I guess. But that is just crazy.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 24, 2020 8:06:51 GMT -5
I'm trying to get in the head of the employer.
I wonder if they like to keep people tied to their jobs by making sure they are spending enough. At some point, someone in that company decided the guy might have either a drug habit, or FU money. Neither are good for the employer (although I became a much better employee when I had a cushion - but I'm weird). They might be using the car as an excuse to dig deeper, and if they can convince the guy (or gal) to sink 50 or 60k into a car, the employee is dependent on them again. Maybe?
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Post by NoNamePerson on Jan 24, 2020 8:09:32 GMT -5
I'd start looking for a better place to work. He might not have a choice since he plastered this all over the internet. Not like there were hundreds of companies sending out these types of memos so he can't exactly be anonymous
Then again the person in HR/Finance might get the boot.
The skeptic in me says this is a fake!
ETA: Maybe the HR/Finance dude/dudette own a car dealership
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jan 24, 2020 8:15:17 GMT -5
Holy fuck the audacity.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 24, 2020 8:16:50 GMT -5
I'm trying to recall what year my husband's car is. I think 2008. Granted, it doesn't look new, but there is no body damage, has paint, matching wheels, all the windows, etc. It looks fine.
I knew a guy in college that had an old giant convertible- probably one of the Chryslers from the 70's. It had 1 fender and a hood that didn't match at all (clearly junk yard replacements) and there wasn't much paint to speak of, but everything was a different faded color. No hubcaps that I recall. The roof didn't work, so it was just an open car. One day it rained, and he just held a tarp over the car (and his head). I'm sure this Camry is fine.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Jan 24, 2020 8:17:06 GMT -5
I think all the employees should borrow the oldest car they can find and drive it to work for a week or so; should have the garage looking good!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 24, 2020 8:19:41 GMT -5
Five seconds after I got that email I would be heading to a lawyer. And I'd be looking for a new job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 8:33:43 GMT -5
The skeptic in me says this is a fake!
That was my first thought.
Assuming it's not, if it was me, I would be furious and would fight this with every ounce of my being. If I didn't care about my job there at all I'd be sending this to Dave Ramsey. He'd have an absolute field day publicly shaming this company.
That guy was/is so awesome. He drove an old Chrysler Sebring and used to help us warehouse kids out loading trucks when we were really busy even though he was worth hundreds of millions. That was 25 years ago. He is so stinking rich these days. He's paying half of my kids tuition to school (along with every other kid in the private schools system K-12) as well as bought the college campus the school is located at. He's basically single handedly rebuilding our downtown.
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Post by busymom on Jan 24, 2020 8:36:05 GMT -5
That VP would've had a heart attack if he'd seen the cars DH & I were driving when we were saving money to buy our first house. At least one of them had a major rust problem, but started like a charm on even the coldest Winter days. Which means the car was a keeper.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 24, 2020 8:42:39 GMT -5
I read the comments on Twitter about this. They are predictably standing up for the financial responsibility of sticking with an old car.
Not one mentioned that contrary to popular belief, driving your old car (really using all your old stuff) is better for the earth that cycling through newly manufactured things.
One person said white culture will wealth shame/car shame people - which sounds trueish to me. But then there was the question of the employee being non-white, which is an interesting question, that I hadn't considered.
I'm wondering if they just don't like this employee, and just trying to make their life so miserable they quit. That was standard operating procedure at one of my companies. They would chip away at them until they quit. They would do all kinds of crap, including (seriously) changing the lunch room and lunch policies to be inconsistent with the habits of one unliked employee. Move them from the cube bank next to the windows, to the really small cube, with only 2 walls, that was in a major walkway, next to the bathroom. Tell them they were out of dress code, when they looked like everyone else. Suddenly start enforcing "work hours" even though other employees started anywhere between 6.30 and 8.15, clocked in, clocked out, paid hourly, put in their 40 hours. The person in the crosshairs was dragged for being a minute late. Etc. People can be so creative when they are too lazy to fire someone.
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Post by andi9899 on Jan 24, 2020 9:14:18 GMT -5
One of my doctors is a specialist and is the best in KC in his specialty. He drives an early 2000s model Suburban. Then again he owns the practice and doesn't have to answer to anyone.
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Post by gs11rmb on Jan 24, 2020 9:14:48 GMT -5
I read the comments on Twitter about this. They are predictably standing up for the financial responsibility of sticking with an old car. Not one mentioned that contrary to popular belief, driving your old car (really using all your old stuff) is better for the earth that cycling through newly manufactured things. One person said white culture will wealth shame/car shame people - which sounds trueish to me. But then there was the question of the employee being non-white, which is an interesting question, that I hadn't considered. I'm wondering if they just don't like this employee, and just trying to make their life so miserable they quit. That was standard operating procedure at one of my companies. They would chip away at them until they quit. They would do all kinds of crap, including (seriously) changing the lunch room and lunch policies to be inconsistent with the habits of one unliked employee. Move them from the cube bank next to the windows, to the really small cube, with only 2 walls, that was in a major walkway, next to the bathroom. Tell them they were out of dress code, when they looked like everyone else. Suddenly start enforcing "work hours" even though other employees started anywhere between 6.30 and 8.15, clocked in, clocked out, paid hourly, put in their 40 hours. The person in the crosshairs was dragged for being a minute late. Etc. People can be so creative when they are too lazy to fire someone. That sounds like a truly terrible place to work.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 24, 2020 9:24:29 GMT -5
I'm trying to get in the head of the employer. I wonder if they like to keep people tied to their jobs by making sure they are spending enough. At some point, someone in that company decided the guy might have either a drug habit, or FU money. Neither are good for the employer (although I became a much better employee when I had a cushion - but I'm weird). They might be using the car as an excuse to dig deeper, and if they can convince the guy (or gal) to sink 50 or 60k into a car, the employee is dependent on them again. Maybe? If I had to guess...someone heard something about employee fraud, and warning signs, and all that. And then someone went nuts from "be on the lookout for this kind of financial warning sign" to "send an email about someone's crappy car".
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 24, 2020 9:42:24 GMT -5
I read the comments on Twitter about this. They are predictably standing up for the financial responsibility of sticking with an old car. Not one mentioned that contrary to popular belief, driving your old car (really using all your old stuff) is better for the earth that cycling through newly manufactured things. One person said white culture will wealth shame/car shame people - which sounds trueish to me. But then there was the question of the employee being non-white, which is an interesting question, that I hadn't considered. I'm wondering if they just don't like this employee, and just trying to make their life so miserable they quit. That was standard operating procedure at one of my companies. They would chip away at them until they quit. They would do all kinds of crap, including (seriously) changing the lunch room and lunch policies to be inconsistent with the habits of one unliked employee. Move them from the cube bank next to the windows, to the really small cube, with only 2 walls, that was in a major walkway, next to the bathroom. Tell them they were out of dress code, when they looked like everyone else. Suddenly start enforcing "work hours" even though other employees started anywhere between 6.30 and 8.15, clocked in, clocked out, paid hourly, put in their 40 hours. The person in the crosshairs was dragged for being a minute late. Etc. People can be so creative when they are too lazy to fire someone. That sounds like a truly terrible place to work. Also a harassment lawsuit waiting to happen.
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Post by jeffreymo on Jan 24, 2020 9:44:37 GMT -5
I read the comments on Twitter about this. They are predictably standing up for the financial responsibility of sticking with an old car. Not one mentioned that contrary to popular belief, driving your old car (really using all your old stuff) is better for the earth that cycling through newly manufactured things. One person said white culture will wealth shame/car shame people - which sounds trueish to me. But then there was the question of the employee being non-white, which is an interesting question, that I hadn't considered. I'm wondering if they just don't like this employee, and just trying to make their life so miserable they quit. That was standard operating procedure at one of my companies. They would chip away at them until they quit. They would do all kinds of crap, including (seriously) changing the lunch room and lunch policies to be inconsistent with the habits of one unliked employee. Move them from the cube bank next to the windows, to the really small cube, with only 2 walls, that was in a major walkway, next to the bathroom. Tell them they were out of dress code, when they looked like everyone else. Suddenly start enforcing "work hours" even though other employees started anywhere between 6.30 and 8.15, clocked in, clocked out, paid hourly, put in their 40 hours. The person in the crosshairs was dragged for being a minute late. Etc. People can be so creative when they are too lazy to fire someone. I’ve seen companies use tactics - definitely not this severe - to get an employee to quit. I think it’s cheaper. They can avoid unemployment, severance, wrongful termination suits etc... From the situations I’ve experienced it wasn’t that they didn’t like the person. It was that the person couldn’t perform their duties or didn’t like to show up for work on time or at all. And a few of the times the person was liked by other staff and generally a good person. Tons of documented discussions and attempts need to be made before companies will let a manager terminate someone, so they come up with creative ways to get the person to quit. Very tricky to navigate because other staff might not be aware of corrective actions being taken by the persons manager.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 9:46:19 GMT -5
Five seconds after I got that email I would be heading to a lawyer. And I'd be looking for a new job. You wouldn't have to look for a new job. You could retire on the settlement from the lawsuit.
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Post by jeffreymo on Jan 24, 2020 9:59:57 GMT -5
I'm trying to get in the head of the employer. I wonder if they like to keep people tied to their jobs by making sure they are spending enough. At some point, someone in that company decided the guy might have either a drug habit, or FU money. Neither are good for the employer (although I became a much better employee when I had a cushion - but I'm weird). They might be using the car as an excuse to dig deeper, and if they can convince the guy (or gal) to sink 50 or 60k into a car, the employee is dependent on them again. Maybe? If I had to guess...someone heard something about employee fraud, and warning signs, and all that. And then someone went nuts from "be on the lookout for this kind of financial warning sign" to "send an email about someone's crappy car". Your probably right. One of their asset protection people probably just got back from a conference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 10:19:32 GMT -5
Really stupid to document it where it can be easily shared via social media.
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Post by swamp on Jan 24, 2020 10:19:33 GMT -5
I'm trying to get in the head of the employer. I wonder if they like to keep people tied to their jobs by making sure they are spending enough. At some point, someone in that company decided the guy might have either a drug habit, or FU money. Neither are good for the employer (although I became a much better employee when I had a cushion - but I'm weird). They might be using the car as an excuse to dig deeper, and if they can convince the guy (or gal) to sink 50 or 60k into a car, the employee is dependent on them again. Maybe? If I had to guess...someone heard something about employee fraud, and warning signs, and all that. And then someone went nuts from "be on the lookout for this kind of financial warning sign" to "send an email about someone's crappy car". You would think it would make more sense to be on the lookout for an employee driving a car above their pay grade.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 10:24:32 GMT -5
If I had to guess...someone heard something about employee fraud, and warning signs, and all that. And then someone went nuts from "be on the lookout for this kind of financial warning sign" to "send an email about someone's crappy car". You would think it would make more sense to be on the lookout for an employee driving a car above their pay grade. Right? Why would driving a POS make you think an employee was stealing from the company?
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 24, 2020 10:26:22 GMT -5
If I had to guess...someone heard something about employee fraud, and warning signs, and all that. And then someone went nuts from "be on the lookout for this kind of financial warning sign" to "send an email about someone's crappy car". You would think it would make more sense to be on the lookout for an employee driving a car above their pay grade. That's probably one of the things too. Below their pay grade=having financial problems and susceptible to fraud. Above their pay grade=already committing the fraud. I saw this kind of "warning" stuff all the time in financial services. You get someone reminding people "It's important that people take vacations" with the INTENT that the people are away from work so that they can't constantly be covering up their fraud and risk having it discovered if they are away. It turns into "when was the last time you went on a vacation?" as in "go take a trip somewhere". As if it's important that someone both be away from work AND enjoy travel.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jan 24, 2020 10:27:01 GMT -5
If I had to guess...someone heard something about employee fraud, and warning signs, and all that. And then someone went nuts from "be on the lookout for this kind of financial warning sign" to "send an email about someone's crappy car". You would think it would make more sense to be on the lookout for an employee driving a car above their pay grade. But that's supported by the spouse/partner's income. Horror of horrors! The local paper ran an article about housing that civil servants had and who lived in the most expensive house, probably 20 years ago. It turned out to be the Head of the Public Libraries. Their spouse was a big ticket lawyer or stockbroker. Shocked everyone who didn't work for the libraries and hadn't met her.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 24, 2020 10:27:11 GMT -5
You would think it would make more sense to be on the lookout for an employee driving a car above their pay grade. Right? Why would driving a POS make you think an employee was stealing from the company? It wouldn't. But it might make you think that employee was having financial problems. The point isn't to catch the employees who ARE stealing, it's to red flag employees that seem susceptible to pressure to steal.
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