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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 20:22:37 GMT -5
I just had my whole house painted . . . the interior walls, the woodwork, the kitchen cabinets, and the loft system.
I've used the guy before, and I like him a lot. I spent $ 7225 to have this done.
However, I noticed that when you look down or up in the kitchen, there are crevices that were missed when he sprayed the cabinet doors. I am asking him to come fix those even though he left me touch-up paint. He said he would come back.
Today I noticed that there were 3 drips right above the toilet roll holder. Is it unreasonable to ask him to do something about that? Or should I either ignore them (they are thick drips), or sand them and repaint them myself?
I have gotten paint off the floor in almost every room without saying a word. These were brand new floors so there was no paint on them. I find paint every time I look, but I haven't said anything. I just keep scrubbing it up.
So is it asking too much to ask him to fix the drips? I don't want to be incredibly picky, but the idea was that it wouldn't look like I painted it myself. He did a lot of extras like skim paint over the master bedroom vanity to make it match the woodwork. (It was already white.) I didn't ask for the extras, but I appreciate them.
But the drips? He only finished last Friday, and he knew by Sunday that he has to come back to fix the kitchen cabinet doors
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 20:38:43 GMT -5
That kinda $$? Interior, exterior, Starbucks on arrival, catered lunch. Starbucks and lunch provided by the painter. And no drips. Paint is going to splatter, though, so tiny little spots on the floors are gonna happen even with drop cloths. It's no biggie to wipe them up when you're cleaning the floors. If they're more than the itty bitty splatters? Nope.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 22, 2020 20:56:27 GMT -5
Take pictures of the mistakes and misses.
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Post by crazycat on Jan 22, 2020 21:19:03 GMT -5
Personally , for that kind of money , I would let him know . If I want an ok job , I do it myself . He should do an impeccable job, in my opinion.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 22, 2020 21:49:51 GMT -5
None of that is acceptable. We got the house professionally painted a few years ago, and before they left we did a walk through and pointed out some areas that had issues. In reality, those issues were caused by uneven drywall that was put up from a tree falling on the house. The painter sanded the area down and repainted. Fixed. He also repainted the door to the garage where the dog had pushed against it and stained it. Painting doors was not in the scope of the job. They did an awesome job.
There was no paint left on floors. No drips. One of the painters accidentally got paint on the blinds on the french doors and the company replaced the blinds (couldn't get identical, so replaced the matching blind as well) and had them installed.
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Post by CCL on Jan 22, 2020 21:50:38 GMT -5
I'd ask him to come back and fix all of the issues. He should have done a more professional job than that. That's a lot of money for a few days work.
FWIW, when I had my new house built, there were no issues with the painters' work. I'm pretty particular about my house. I never came across any mistakes from the painting crew.
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Post by toomuchreality on Jan 23, 2020 4:11:59 GMT -5
Since you have used him before and liked him, ask if everything is okay. Then, if you chose to, tell him why you asked.
Good luck!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 9:07:08 GMT -5
He's coming back next Wednesday. He had to come back, anyway, because he needs to powerwash the carport floor where he sprayed. Although he put down dropcloths, paint got under them when he sprayed. My daughter-in-law is coming by today. She'll have a decided opinion on how the project turned out and what needs still to be done.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 23, 2020 9:43:42 GMT -5
Since you have used him before and liked him, ask if everything is okay. Then, if you chose to, tell him why you asked. Good luck! Honestly, I don't like this. It just feels passive-aggressive. It also makes it sound like these issues aren't common issues, which they kind of are when you paint (a good professional would have come back on their own to fix them and look over the work while dry, but not everyone is going to do that). I don't like the idea of implying something is wrong with him when something totally standard occurs. I'd prefer to just be up front. These are things I would want corrected, but I also understand that painting is often hard to see issues while the paint is wet and often involves coming back to fix minor issues. These mostly sound like minor issues that would be expected on a large job.
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Post by busymom on Jan 23, 2020 9:57:36 GMT -5
For that kind of money, he'd better come back to fix the mistakes, AND bring you lunch. Seriously, I would point out everything that is bothering you, and have him correct it. The only exception to that is, if you'd cut a deal with one of those discount painters, like the college kids who work every Summer. Then, I'd expect some mistakes. A professional painter, not so much...
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Post by Ryan on Jan 23, 2020 10:43:18 GMT -5
I live outside Chicago and had 3 bedrooms, bathroom, family room, living room, and kitchen painted along with the crown molding. I paid around $1600 for the whole thing. This guy was a much better painter than me, but not impeccable. When he painted behind the stove, he just kinda stopped about a foot from the floor. However, that's what you expect for the price that I paid.
For that price, I'd have him come back. It should literally be perfect.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 23, 2020 12:49:10 GMT -5
Professional painters do not leave messes like this. Simple as that. I suspect that Susana paid comparably to what we paid to have our house painted a few years ago when you look at size of house and what was done. We paid about $15K, had all walls and ceilings done, some trim touched up (it was in pretty good shape). They also removed some wallpaper, primed and painted the walls the paper had been on as well. This was for a 2800 sq foot house, Benjamin Moore paint. There were 3 different colors along with ceiling white and semi gloss trim paint purchased.
In fact, this company did such a good job that we are having them come back next summer and paint the exterior.
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Post by engineerdoe on Jan 23, 2020 14:16:00 GMT -5
He's coming back next Wednesday. He had to come back, anyway, because he needs to powerwash the carport floor where he sprayed. Although he put down dropcloths, paint got under them when he sprayed. My daughter-in-law is coming by today. She'll have a decided opinion on how the project turned out and what needs still to be done. Go through the house and either use some painters tape to mark any other areas that bother you or look like they need a touch up (lighting can make things look good or bad). You could also use sticky notes to mark the areas. You will want to check outside too at the trim and other areas. Basically you are putting together your own "punch list" for him to complete the project to your satisfaction and (hopefully) per the contract. Don't just write down the list of what needs fixed, you want to visually mark it with painter's tape or the sticky note so you will be able to find it again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 17:24:06 GMT -5
The point in paying a professional professional kind of prices is to get professional kind of work. If I paid over $7k for someone to paint, yep, I’d be picky. That’s a lot of money to me.
I know it’s common now to spray paint, but I don’t think I’d want that. I’m biased now though, because whoever painted my house did that, and it’s obvious because it’s messy. And I’m judgey because the last time I painted myself, it was neat and I’m no professional. I hope the previous owners didn’t pay someone for this awful paint job, I prefer to think the previous homeowner did it himself. It’s that bad.
Also, I don’t think it’s a given that paint will get on the floor either. I managed to paint 3 rooms without getting paint on the floor. But maybe that was because it was MY flooring, and original wood floors that I happened to love, so I was veryyyy careful.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 23, 2020 17:47:12 GMT -5
DH used to be a professional painter and when he does the walls he does not get a drop on the floors.
He misses some spots near the ceiling if I look close enough but that's because he wasn't as meticulous. If it was somebody else's house he was paid to do he'd have gone along the edges of the ceiling and floor with a brush.
For $7k I'd at least expect a walk through before leaving so we can catch mistakes and clean them up ASAP.
I would not appreciate having to call back a few days later to fix things because he didn't notice.
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Post by mroped on Jan 23, 2020 18:18:07 GMT -5
How big is the house? What are other painters charging in the area for comparison? These are things of importance before we take a decision on “for that kind of money” . It sounds like he’s gotten comfortable with you and skips steps. When using a spray gun one needs to cover the floors and tape the edges. Just a drop cloth over doesn’t work. Those guns work on air pressure. it is unacceptable to just claim “completed” and have overspray or drips on the floors. He needs to take care of that but you’d have to tell him. If you have a good relationship with him just tell him that not everyone is as understanding as you but he needs to straighten his act. Be “the bad cop” by being “the good cop”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 18:39:53 GMT -5
How big is the house? What are other painters charging in the area for comparison? These are things of importance before we take a decision on “for that kind of money” . It sounds like he’s gotten comfortable with you and skips steps. When using a spray gun one needs to cover the floors and tape the edges. Just a drop cloth over doesn’t work. Those guns work on air pressure. it is unacceptable to just claim “completed” and have overspray or drips on the floors. He needs to take care of that but you’d have to tell him. If you have a good relationship with him just tell him that not everyone is as understanding as you but he needs to straighten his act. Be “the bad cop” by being “the good cop” He didn't spray. They rolled. I say "they" because, of course, he had a crew. And except for the cabinet doors, it was the crew that was sloppy. The paint on the floor I can deal with. There are just 4 main issues: - He sprayed the doors to the cabinets. They aren't flat panel so there are crevices at the top and the bottom where there is no paint. Think of it as the door lying flat so, of course, these are easily missed. I could get out a paint brush and fix them myself. But I don't want to. I will talk to him about the water spots that you can see on a few of them. I may have to live with that.
- For some reason, the hall bathroom was done rather sloppily. The sides of the fiberglass bath/shower insert are not neatly done but rather ragged. A little painter's tape would have made a huge difference. Also, they did the same thing around the vanity. It looks bad. That is an important fix, like the cabinets. Guests use this bathroom. He didn't paint the master bath because I need to have it redone.
- There are 3 or 4 major drips.
- One set of cabinet doors are not aligned. I don't mean by a little. They have to be rehung. It's a bookcase area under a countertop for cookbooks. If he prefers, he can remove the doors, fill and sand the holes, and repaint that area. I say that because I know how hard he tried to align them. I don't know what went wrong, but it can't stay like that.
I could complain about more. For some reason, they didn't really sand. So while they filled the nail holes in the hall, you can see exactly where they filled them. I'm probably hanging the pictures in exactly the same places so I will let that go. There's some paint on the ceiling edges, but I am planning on having those ceilings scraped and painted so I'll let that go.
I just don't understand why real painters don't use painters' tape. I use a ton of it when I paint. They just painted without it. They didn't remove door knobs, which I always do.
He did a decent job so I'm not really on his case. I just want the things above fixed. These are the biggies. A few spots missed here and there I can do. And he had to come back, anyway, to powerwash the carport.
As far as comparing him to others, he will tell you upfront that he isn't the cheapest painter, but he's the best! I want him to back up that claim.
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Post by mroped on Jan 24, 2020 20:46:32 GMT -5
I did professional painting for a while when I got in US. High pace, 12-14-16 hrs days. Weekends too! I remember that one December I had worked 340hrs! People wanted to move in before the new year, to close the deal, the builder wanted to move homes. We always sprayed first and second coat. Covered the windows, took the doors off, covered the cabinets. Painting was done before carpeting or floors were put down. Trim and baseboard were always semigloss or high gloss. We had homes where there were 15-20 different colors, sometimes 3-4-5 in the same room but never -never used tape! The only thing we were taping was the front door lock/handle and hinges. Other than that was just free hand: corners, baseboards, trim, crown molding. That was mostly what I was most of the time stuck with due to my mild OCD.😂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 22:43:08 GMT -5
I did professional painting for a while when I got in US. High pace, 12-14-16 hrs days. Weekends too! I remember that one December I had worked 340hrs! People wanted to move in before the new year, to close the deal, the builder wanted to move homes. We always sprayed first and second coat. Covered the windows, took the doors off, covered the cabinets. Painting was done before carpeting or floors were put down. Trim and baseboard were always semigloss or high gloss. We had homes where there were 15-20 different colors, sometimes 3-4-5 in the same room but never -never used tape! The only thing we were taping was the front door lock/handle and hinges. Other than that was just free hand: corners, baseboards, trim, crown molding. That was mostly what I was most of the time stuck with due to my mild OCD.😂 Why no taping? You have to be extremely good to do it free-hand. These guys weren't.
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Post by mroped on Jan 25, 2020 6:41:27 GMT -5
I can still do it but now the misus makes me tape when she is around. If I paint a whole room I might have maybe two stains of paint on my right hand- thumb and pointer. My wife on the other hand, five minutes painting and you’d think that she rolled in paint!😂 It is a matter of practicing a lot. Ofcourse being a bit “anal” helps controlling everything.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jan 25, 2020 7:52:55 GMT -5
I've had some very good painters and they are better without tape then I am with tape!
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Post by tractor on Jan 25, 2020 8:30:13 GMT -5
I’m no professional, but I do know that a decent brush makes all the difference. Using a small handled, angle brush for cutting in trim and edges is pretty easy. I never use tape. As with most things, the quality of the tool dictates the quality of the work.
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Post by oped on Jan 25, 2020 8:43:59 GMT -5
I can still do it but now the misus makes me tape when she is around. If I paint a whole room I might have maybe two stains of paint on my right hand- thumb and pointer. My wife on the other hand, five minutes painting and you’d think that she rolled in paint!😂 It is a matter of practicing a lot. Ofcourse being a bit “anal” helps controlling everything. Sounds like you should do all the painting then, and let your wife do other things...
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jan 25, 2020 9:05:39 GMT -5
There's the down side to being on a message board with your spouse. Have to be careful what you write.
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Post by mroped on Jan 25, 2020 11:06:37 GMT -5
I can still do it but now the misus makes me tape when she is around. If I paint a whole room I might have maybe two stains of paint on my right hand- thumb and pointer. My wife on the other hand, five minutes painting and you’d think that she rolled in paint!😂 It is a matter of practicing a lot. Ofcourse being a bit “anal” helps controlling everything. Sounds like you should do all the painting then, and let your wife do other things... If a man tells you that he will take care of it then there is no reason to repeat your request six months later! It’s annoying!😂
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jan 25, 2020 11:30:34 GMT -5
How big is the house? What are other painters charging in the area for comparison? These are things of importance before we take a decision on “for that kind of money” . It sounds like he’s gotten comfortable with you and skips steps. When using a spray gun one needs to cover the floors and tape the edges. Just a drop cloth over doesn’t work. Those guns work on air pressure. it is unacceptable to just claim “completed” and have overspray or drips on the floors. He needs to take care of that but you’d have to tell him. If you have a good relationship with him just tell him that not everyone is as understanding as you but he needs to straighten his act. Be “the bad cop” by being “the good cop” He didn't spray. They rolled. I say "they" because, of course, he had a crew. And except for the cabinet doors, it was the crew that was sloppy. The paint on the floor I can deal with. There are just 4 main issues: - He sprayed the doors to the cabinets. They aren't flat panel so there are crevices at the top and the bottom where there is no paint. Think of it as the door lying flat so, of course, these are easily missed. I could get out a paint brush and fix them myself. But I don't want to. I will talk to him about the water spots that you can see on a few of them. I may have to live with that.
- For some reason, the hall bathroom was done rather sloppily. The sides of the fiberglass bath/shower insert are not neatly done but rather ragged. A little painter's tape would have made a huge difference. Also, they did the same thing around the vanity. It looks bad. That is an important fix, like the cabinets. Guests use this bathroom. He didn't paint the master bath because I need to have it redone.
- There are 3 or 4 major drips.
- One set of cabinet doors are not aligned. I don't mean by a little. They have to be rehung. It's a bookcase area under a countertop for cookbooks. If he prefers, he can remove the doors, fill and sand the holes, and repaint that area. I say that because I know how hard he tried to align them. I don't know what went wrong, but it can't stay like that.
I could complain about more. For some reason, they didn't really sand. So while they filled the nail holes in the hall, you can see exactly where they filled them. I'm probably hanging the pictures in exactly the same places so I will let that go. There's some paint on the ceiling edges, but I am planning on having those ceilings scraped and painted so I'll let that go.
I just don't understand why real painters don't use painters' tape. I use a ton of it when I paint. They just painted without it. They didn't remove door knobs, which I always do.
He did a decent job so I'm not really on his case. I just want the things above fixed. These are the biggies. A few spots missed here and there I can do. And he had to come back, anyway, to powerwash the carport.
As far as comparing him to others, he will tell you upfront that he isn't the cheapest painter, but he's the best! I want him to back up that claim. They sprayed he interior of my house when it got repaired 5 yeas ago. Spraying, especially in places with constant visibility such as interiors, SUCKS as a painting method. Very few can spray evenly, consistently, and neatly. We generated a punch list ( which they signed acknowledging the issues) and put blue painter’s tape where there were glaring issues. Even after “fixing” their work, it was still a crappy job. Lesson learned: the contract didn’t specify the painting method and I had no idea spraying was so common then. I will always explicitly insist on brush and roller painting from now on.
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Post by mroped on Jan 25, 2020 12:38:38 GMT -5
Spraying works on new building or complete remodeling. When you are repainting/changing colors the rollers should come out. At that point dependent on what’s in the room, taping might be necessary. After the job is done a “walk through” is a must! It is a good idea to have stickers for the places/spots that need remedied. That way you’re ensuring that all gets done!
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Post by CCL on Jan 25, 2020 19:21:46 GMT -5
I hate using tape. In the time it takes to go around taping everything, I could have all the edges painted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 19:42:21 GMT -5
I don't tape everything. But if you aren't going to remove light fixtures, etc., tape. They didn't remove door knobs or towel bars.
The edges of my bathtub/shower surround should have been taped. The caulk has paint on it. But not in a straight line. It is a ragged line. Ditto for where the marble countertop joins the wall.
I'm not saying to tape every square inch. I use to use old slats from blinds to keep paint off the carpet.
And while the edges where the walls hit the baseboard are "nice enough," they would have looked a h*ck of a lot better if they had been taped off.
Do not get me started on the subject of sanding. I can put all my old artwork exactly where it was because the nail holes weren't filled. And previous drips from my prior painting weren't sanded.
It honestly looks about what it would probably look like if I had painted it myself. Well, I wouldn't have gotten paint on my cheap Walmart blinds, but still . . . He did do a lot of extras that I couldn't have done. I'm very grateful for those. And I do mean important extras.
I'm going to do what people have suggested and tag stuff with painter's tape before he comes on Wed. I am not going to complain about most of the little stuff . . . the paint on the cheap blinds, for example, or on the door knobs, or my Amazon Tap. I already listed my punch list.
Thanks for the comments, though. I am a little more confident about having a punch list.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 20:02:54 GMT -5
I did professional painting for a while when I got in US. High pace, 12-14-16 hrs days. Weekends too! I remember that one December I had worked 340hrs! People wanted to move in before the new year, to close the deal, the builder wanted to move homes. We always sprayed first and second coat. Covered the windows, took the doors off, covered the cabinets. Painting was done before carpeting or floors were put down. Trim and baseboard were always semigloss or high gloss. We had homes where there were 15-20 different colors, sometimes 3-4-5 in the same room but never -never used tape! The only thing we were taping was the front door lock/handle and hinges. Other than that was just free hand: corners, baseboards, trim, crown molding. That was mostly what I was most of the time stuck with due to my mild OCD.😂 Why no taping? You have to be extremely good to do it free-hand. These guys weren't. When I paint this spring, I will start off taping. But I expect to do as I did the last time I painted a lot, and eventually be able to free hand without messing up. If I don’t get that good again, I will continue using tape. Taping will be DBF’s job since I hate doing it and he hates painting period, so I figure it’s the least he can do if I do all the painting. And like someone else mentioned, good tools make a world of difference. I had appropriate quality brushes to help with the tricky parts. Still, even though I got confident to paint trim, near the ceiling and around doorknobs and such without tape, I still protected my wood floors. The last time I painted, I painted a design over a doorway to keep a transition from being awkward. I’m seriously the least creative and artistic person you’ll meet, and I did it without a template or whatever. It’s one of the first things you see when you walk through the front door, and I will forever be proud of myself for doing it. With no tape since I couldn’t figure out how to make paint tape make a curve lol.
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