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Post by imawino on Jan 16, 2020 15:59:20 GMT -5
The Lord's Prayer was a BIG DEAL for us to learn in Sunday School, very early on in the indoctrination process. Congregational Church- direct descendant of the Puritan Church. Curiously, now somewhat liberal in the Protestant orthodoxy, affiliated with UCC. ETA- I remember the "now I lay me" as sort of a kiddie bedtime thing? At the end of it we God Blessed Mommy, and Daddy, and Kitty, and pretty much everything we could think of to avoid closing our eyes. Very young, and loooong ago, lol! It was a kiddie thing. Which is completely horrifying in retrospect. The first time I heard that (which was not at my own home from my parents), I was utterly terrified. I didn't say anything - but inside my head was screaming "I COULD JUST DIE IN MY SLEEP TONIGHT?!? THAT HAPPENS?" ugh I also had visions of being boxed up and shipped somewhere whenever my grandmother would do the prayer with "deliver us from evil". LOL
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 16, 2020 16:00:57 GMT -5
Catholics learn a different version of the Lord's Prayer. But it does not include dying before you wake. This is the prayer: Now I lay me down to sleep I pray the Lord my soul to keep If I die before I wake I pray the Lord my soul to take. I also learned that one in Catechism. It's pretty fucked up. Sorry Swamp, for Catholics the Lord's prayer is commonly called the Our Father, for its first few words, just as Southern Susanna said. The one you wrote out is a bedtime prayer, but I think it's more Protestant than Catholic. Catholics do change the Our Father from Southern Susanna's version, though. We generally leave off the last part (For the kingdom and the power...) when saying the prayer on its own, during the rosary, etc. We do say it during Mass, but it's separated from the rest of the Our Father by another prayer/response by the priest. At the end of church confession I was always reminded of the 'Our Father' by the priest when he replied "Say ten 'Our Fathers' and seventeen 'Hail Marys' and your sins just may be forgiven though I doubt it."
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Post by NastyWoman on Jan 16, 2020 16:31:46 GMT -5
Damn, there goes my snack of rainbow sherbet. You're the boss so you can mandate rainbow sherbet snacks to be available at your company. I don't believe that rainbow sherbet snacks are a protected class
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jan 16, 2020 19:38:28 GMT -5
Sorry Swamp, for Catholics the Lord's prayer is commonly called the Our Father, for its first few words, just as Southern Susanna said. The one you wrote out is a bedtime prayer, but I think it's more Protestant than Catholic. Catholics do change the Our Father from Southern Susanna's version, though. We generally leave off the last part (For the kingdom and the power...) when saying the prayer on its own, during the rosary, etc. We do say it during Mass, but it's separated from the rest of the Our Father by another prayer/response by the priest. At the end of church confession I was always reminded of the 'Our Father' by the priest when he replied " Say ten 'Our Fathers' and seventeen 'Hail Marys' and your sins just may be forgiven though I doubt it." I could never figure out how in hell that was supposed to fix anything. I thought it was rather stupid.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 16, 2020 20:22:03 GMT -5
At the end of church confession I was always reminded of the 'Our Father' by the priest when he replied " Say ten 'Our Fathers' and seventeen 'Hail Marys' and your sins just may be forgiven though I doubt it." I could never figure out how in hell that was supposed to fix anything. I thought it was rather stupid. When the Roman Catholic Church stopped selling indulgences for cash to get into heaven, that's the best they could come up with (prayers).
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 17, 2020 13:48:58 GMT -5
Drama. that is NOT the Lord's Prayer, which goes like this: Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen. What you are describing is the equivalent of a nursery rhyme or fairy tale, most of which are disturbing! Catholics learn a different version of the Lord's Prayer. But it does not include dying before you wake. This is the prayer: Now I lay me down to sleep I pray the Lord my soul to keep If I die before I wake I pray the Lord my soul to take. I also learned that one in Catechism. It's pretty fucked up.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 17, 2020 16:33:04 GMT -5
The wierd thing about the "veggie burger" thing... most of the vegetarians/vegans I know don't really want to eat a burger that tastes like a beef burger... But then I know mostly older "non meat eating" people. I guess maybe the younger crowd wants to give up meat without giving up the taste/textures they've become accustomed to? (dang I think I just ended a sentence with a preposition) I'm a flexitarian and I don't really want to eat a "meatless" burger that tastes like meat... it sounds gross. I'm not really into replacing meat with "fake meat" - there are so many other awesome tastes and textures out there to try/enjoy. Why bother with trying to duplicate something old and tired and routine? while we may ponder on this - I think we can trust that burger king did quite a bit of research to try to ensure profitability.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 17, 2020 16:48:45 GMT -5
Exactly! I love a good lentil burger or black bean burger for what they are. I made a great turkey chili last night and I enjoyed it for what it was. It was rocking good turkey chili, not a "wish you were beef chili" But if someone is really loves beef burgers, but they don't want an animal to die for it or are concerned about the environmental aspects of factory farming, there is absolutely nothing wrong with opting from something that isn't a beef burger but is as close as you can get. It doesn't mean they can't also enjoy a portabella or black bean burger for what they are. They are enjoying an Incredible Whopper for exactly what it is too - something that tastes like beef, but isn't. Why does everyone seem so insistent that there is an either/or in this scenario? Thank you. I'm so *fucking* sick of the vegan police! Then there is the trope about "whiny" vegans. I've never personally met one myself but I'm getting pretty close to becoming one as the vast majority of the "regulars" feel like they need/are entitled to question and/or vet every and anything vegan and make a pronouncement on it. Hint - the pronouncement is never positive. It is always about how it's stupid or foolish or not healthy yada yada. As if you all know. As if you've searched for hours on pubmed for scientific research articles on the vegan diet. You know what I say when I hear about some new meat dish I never heard about before? "huh." Do I go around quoting the increased cancer risks of heavy meat consumption? No. But maybe I should. Then I'd be a card carrying whiny vegan and everyone could talk about that for a while. Keep yr *damn* mouths shut. Better yet keep it open and shove an impossible burger in it, then check back and report *damn* *fuck* *impossible burger*
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 17, 2020 16:57:09 GMT -5
But if someone is really loves beef burgers, but they don't want an animal to die for it or are concerned about the environmental aspects of factory farming, there is absolutely nothing wrong with opting from something that isn't a beef burger but is as close as you can get. It doesn't mean they can't also enjoy a portabella or black bean burger for what they are. They are enjoying an Incredible Whopper for exactly what it is too - something that tastes like beef, but isn't. Why does everyone seem so insistent that there is an either/or in this scenario? Thank you. I'm so *fucking* sick of the vegan police! Then there is the trope about "whiny" vegans. I've never personally met one myself but I'm getting pretty close to becoming one as the vast majority of the "regulars" feel like they need/are entitled to question and/or vet every and anything vegan and make a pronouncement on it. Hint - the pronouncement is never positive. It is always about how it's stupid or foolish or not healthy yada yada. As if you all know. As if you've searched for hours on pubmed for scientific research articles on the vegan diet. You know what I say when I hear about some new meat dish I never heard about before? "huh." Do I go around quoting the increased cancer risks of heavy meat consumption? No. But maybe I should. Then I'd be a card carrying whiny vegan and everyone could talk about that for a while. Keep yr *damn* mouths shut. Better yet keep it open and shove an impossible burger in it, then check back and report *damn* *fuck* *impossible burger*Is anyone making you eat them?
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Post by imawino on Jan 17, 2020 17:17:18 GMT -5
But if someone is really loves beef burgers, but they don't want an animal to die for it or are concerned about the environmental aspects of factory farming, there is absolutely nothing wrong with opting from something that isn't a beef burger but is as close as you can get. It doesn't mean they can't also enjoy a portabella or black bean burger for what they are. They are enjoying an Incredible Whopper for exactly what it is too - something that tastes like beef, but isn't. Why does everyone seem so insistent that there is an either/or in this scenario? Thank you. I'm so *fucking* sick of the vegan police! Then there is the trope about "whiny" vegans. I've never personally met one myself but I'm getting pretty close to becoming one as the vast majority of the "regulars" feel like they need/are entitled to question and/or vet every and anything vegan and make a pronouncement on it. Hint - the pronouncement is never positive. It is always about how it's stupid or foolish or not healthy yada yada. As if you all know. As if you've searched for hours on pubmed for scientific research articles on the vegan diet. You know what I say when I hear about some new meat dish I never heard about before? "huh." Do I go around quoting the increased cancer risks of heavy meat consumption? No. But maybe I should. Then I'd be a card carrying whiny vegan and everyone could talk about that for a while. Keep yr *damn* mouths shut. Better yet keep it open and shove an impossible burger in it, then check back and report *damn* *fuck* *impossible burger* LOL It's so funny to me because I've never seen someone who is currently shoving a beef burger in their face start on a tirade about how so and so at another table who just ordered a fettucine alfredo is an idiot because if they aren't going to eat beef it better damn well be healthier than beef in every way! But heaven forbid someone near them orders an impossible burger and they will launch, unbidden, into a dissertation on the unhealthiness of faux meat.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 17, 2020 17:25:09 GMT -5
Thank you. I'm so *fucking* sick of the vegan police! Then there is the trope about "whiny" vegans. I've never personally met one myself but I'm getting pretty close to becoming one as the vast majority of the "regulars" feel like they need/are entitled to question and/or vet every and anything vegan and make a pronouncement on it. Hint - the pronouncement is never positive. It is always about how it's stupid or foolish or not healthy yada yada. As if you all know. As if you've searched for hours on pubmed for scientific research articles on the vegan diet. You know what I say when I hear about some new meat dish I never heard about before? "huh." Do I go around quoting the increased cancer risks of heavy meat consumption? No. But maybe I should. Then I'd be a card carrying whiny vegan and everyone could talk about that for a while. Keep yr *damn* mouths shut. Better yet keep it open and shove an impossible burger in it, then check back and report *damn* *fuck* *impossible burger*Is anyone making you eat them? Funnily enough - I don't eat *impossible* food as it contains gluten. DD reports it as tasty. I would definitely get a whopper impossible burger if there was a gf option. I do buy beyond meat sometimes, similar to impossible but no gluten. They do brats and italian sausage too. But - I don't eat them very often.....just like I don't eat potato chips very often...
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 17, 2020 17:32:25 GMT -5
Is anyone making you eat them? Funnily enough - I don't eat *impossible* food as it contains gluten. DD reports it as tasty. I would definitely get a whopper impossible burger if there was a gf option. I do buy beyond meat sometimes, similar to impossible but no gluten. They do brats and italian sausage too. But - I don't eat them very often.....just like I don't eat potato chips very often... So, why the tirade?
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Post by Tiny on Jan 17, 2020 17:42:29 GMT -5
Catholics learn a different version of the Lord's Prayer. But it does not include dying before you wake. This is the prayer: Now I lay me down to sleep I pray the Lord my soul to keep If I die before I wake I pray the Lord my soul to take. I also learned that one in Catechism. It's pretty fucked up. In the morbid theme... My family didn't use the "now I lay me down" prayer at night - 3 Hail Marys were the deal. I guess there's some deal with the Blessed Virgin that if you unfailingly say your 3 hail Marys before going to sleep - she will slip you in the back door of Heaven if St. Peter says "sorry, no.". I also remember there being alot of those Gaurdian Angel pictures, holy cards, prayer (and statuettes and who knows what else). I'm sure you've seen it - a big Angel helping a little girl and boy over a rickety bridge during a storm - keeping them, um, safe (or waiting expectantly). I thought the Angel was the Angel of Death and was following the poor kids so they'd quickly be escorted to St. Peter's podium in front of the Pearly Gates to have their sins weighed when they slipped off the bridge... And then in I think 5th grade (I went to Catholic grade school) I realized it wasn't the Angel of Death - but some Angel that was suppose to "keep you safe" (not sure from what) Unfortunately, I kinda liked thinking the Angel of Death was following me around waiting to catch me if I fell thru one of those broken slats in the rickety bridge of Life.... so my Guardian Angels name is Grim (or Grimmy) as in Grim Reaper. Don't get me started about the Martyr of the Month Calendar that hung in every classroom and depicted all the horrific ways Martyrs died.... I didn't learn the words sadism and Masochism until high school... but I immediatedly thought of the old Martyr of the Month.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 17, 2020 17:46:10 GMT -5
Funnily enough - I don't eat *impossible* food as it contains gluten. DD reports it as tasty. I would definitely get a whopper impossible burger if there was a gf option. I do buy beyond meat sometimes, similar to impossible but no gluten. They do brats and italian sausage too. But - I don't eat them very often.....just like I don't eat potato chips very often... So, why the tirade? speaking out against the vegan policing, as i said.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jan 18, 2020 11:48:14 GMT -5
In the morbid theme... My family didn't use the "now I lay me down" prayer at night - 3 Hail Marys were the deal. I guess there's some deal with the Blessed Virgin that if you unfailingly say your 3 hail Marys before going to sleep - she will slip you in the back door of Heaven if St. Peter says "sorry, no.". I also remember there being alot of those Gaurdian Angel pictures, holy cards, prayer (and statuettes and who knows what else). I'm sure you've seen it - a big Angel helping a little girl and boy over a rickety bridge during a storm - keeping them, um, safe (or waiting expectantly). I thought the Angel was the Angel of Death and was following the poor kids so they'd quickly be escorted to St. Peter's podium in front of the Pearly Gates to have their sins weighed when they slipped off the bridge... And then in I think 5th grade (I went to Catholic grade school) I realized it wasn't the Angel of Death - but some Angel that was suppose to "keep you safe" (not sure from what) Unfortunately, I kinda liked thinking the Angel of Death was following me around waiting to catch me if I fell thru one of those broken slats in the rickety bridge of Life.... so my Guardian Angels name is Grim (or Grimmy) as in Grim Reaper. Don't get me started about the Martyr of the Month Calendar that hung in every classroom and depicted all the horrific ways Martyrs died.... I didn't learn the words sadism and Masochism until high school... but I immediatedly thought of the old Martyr of the Month. OMG, this is hilarious! Reminds me of when I was also in Catholic elementary school - the nuns would encourage us to collect/donate change, and every time we got to some $ value (I don't remember if it was $5 or $25) we could send it somewhere to get some "poor pagan baby" baptized. And we got to name the baby! We thought the whole concept was ridiculous, and creepy. We referred to it as buying babies. Woo-hoo, we've got enough money to buy another baby!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 18, 2020 16:41:51 GMT -5
In the morbid theme... My family didn't use the "now I lay me down" prayer at night - 3 Hail Marys were the deal. I guess there's some deal with the Blessed Virgin that if you unfailingly say your 3 hail Marys before going to sleep - she will slip you in the back door of Heaven if St. Peter says "sorry, no.". I also remember there being alot of those Gaurdian Angel pictures, holy cards, prayer (and statuettes and who knows what else). I'm sure you've seen it - a big Angel helping a little girl and boy over a rickety bridge during a storm - keeping them, um, safe (or waiting expectantly). I thought the Angel was the Angel of Death and was following the poor kids so they'd quickly be escorted to St. Peter's podium in front of the Pearly Gates to have their sins weighed when they slipped off the bridge... And then in I think 5th grade (I went to Catholic grade school) I realized it wasn't the Angel of Death - but some Angel that was suppose to "keep you safe" (not sure from what) Unfortunately, I kinda liked thinking the Angel of Death was following me around waiting to catch me if I fell thru one of those broken slats in the rickety bridge of Life.... so my Guardian Angels name is Grim (or Grimmy) as in Grim Reaper. Don't get me started about the Martyr of the Month Calendar that hung in every classroom and depicted all the horrific ways Martyrs died.... I didn't learn the words sadism and Masochism until high school... but I immediatedly thought of the old Martyr of the Month. OMG, this is hilarious! Reminds me of when I was also in Catholic elementary school - the nuns would encourage us to collect/donate change, and every time we got to some $ value (I don't remember if it was $5 or $25) we could send it somewhere to get some "poor pagan baby" baptized. And we got to name the baby! We thought the whole concept was ridiculous, and creepy. We referred to it as buying babies. Woo-hoo, we've got enough money to buy another baby! We had Little King Day in Catholic elementary school. Once a month all the grades would gather in the auditorilunchgymroom and each student would put coin change or a dollar in a basket set in front of a nine-inch high plastic statue of Jesus. I'm thinking the money went toward the nuns' drinking money for the weekends.
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