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Well, two parts to this. Part one, the hundred mom moutrage over the dam word. hahaha. Part two, the vegan burger. It has been pointed out that this is not even a healthy alternative. I don't think it's been said, but I surmise it is considered an environmentally friendly alternative to beef. Really? So, I feel the same way about this as I do non-alcoholic beer. I used to really like beer. Because I really liked (real) beer, I had no use for the ersatz stuff. When I stopped drinking beer I stopped drinking all beer. Why drink the fake crap? Blechh….. give me the real thing, or give me something different that is a real thing for what it is. Give me a good bubble seltzer water. Good. If I didn't eat meat, how about a portabella mushroom burger, or maybe a fresh tomato sandwich? Something really good? Smear that Portobello mushroom with olive oil, sprinkle with crushed garlic and grill until almost done. Top with sliced fresh mozzarella cheese and roasted red bell pepper and continue cooking until the cheese melts and the mushroom is tender. Serve on a ciabatta bun you've split open, buttered and toasted on the grill. Thin slices of tomato and a schmear of pesto ain't too bad on it either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 21:02:07 GMT -5
In terms of profanity or at least interesting words, I was called something new last week on our friendly neighborhood NextDoor platform. Community service really is educational because I had to learn what "schmekel" is since apparently I am one. For those as clueless as I was, that's Yiddish for an individual rhyming with Rick. Perhaps America has progressed a tad in terms of gender equality since now females are called by profanities once reserved for men.
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Post by giramomma on Jan 15, 2020 21:08:12 GMT -5
Well, apparently, we don't need One Million Moms to point out our inappropriate language. You just need a 7 year old learning the 10 commandments in (Catholic) school.
The peanut called me out when I took the Lord's name in vain this evening.
Inside I was all like and Of course, on the outside I did say good job for remembering one of them. (As an aside, in a previous conversation, DD1 said she thought parents made up the commandment about honoring thy mother and father.) Kids.
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Meanwhile, in Missouri... Missouri bill proposes 'parental library review boards' that could land librarians in jailA new bill proposed in Missouri aims to prevent inappropriate sexual content from getting into the hands of kids, but critics are warning it amounts to censoring and could land public librarians in jail. The bill was introduced earlier this month by Missouri State Rep. Ben Baker (R), who has argued that the measure is meant to protect children when they visit their public libraries. “The main thing is I want to be able to take my kids to a library and make sure they’re in a safe environment, and that they’re not gonna be exposed to something that is objectionable material,” Baker told local news station KOAM. “Unfortunately, there are some libraries in the state of Missouri that have done this. And that’s a problem.” The bill would ban libraries that receive state funding from allowing minors access to “age-inappropriate sexual material.” To identify what that content is, the bill would include the creation of "parental library review boards" made up of five locally elected community members. The boards would then review what content it considers appropriate. Under the bill, librarians who "willfully" violate the rule could be fined $500 or face up to a year in jail. Critics warn, however, that the bill amounts to censorship. PEN America's deputy director of free expression research and policy, James Tager, said in a statement to the Washington Post the policy was an attempt at "book banning." Complete article here: Missouri bill proposes 'parental library review boards' that could land librarians in jail
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 15, 2020 22:36:56 GMT -5
“The main thing is I want to be able to take my kids to a library and make sure they’re in a safe environment, and that they’re not gonna be exposed to something that is objectionable material,” Baker told local news station KOAM. “Unfortunately, there are some libraries in the state of Missouri that have done this. And that’s a problem.”
So, drag queens doing Story-time at the Library are out, then?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 16, 2020 0:10:26 GMT -5
“The main thing is I want to be able to take my kids to a library and make sure they’re in a safe environment, and that they’re not gonna be exposed to something that is objectionable material,” Baker told local news station KOAM. “Unfortunately, there are some libraries in the state of Missouri that have done this. And that’s a problem.”
So, drag queens doing Story-time at the Library are out, then? What's to stop a kid or even a teen from wandering into the more mature reading material section of a library and reading stuff? Are there going to be human library monitors all over the library? Hidden cameras?
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Post by teen persuasion on Jan 16, 2020 0:26:40 GMT -5
Meanwhile, in Missouri... Missouri bill proposes 'parental library review boards' that could land librarians in jailA new bill proposed in Missouri aims to prevent inappropriate sexual content from getting into the hands of kids, but critics are warning it amounts to censoring and could land public librarians in jail. The bill was introduced earlier this month by Missouri State Rep. Ben Baker (R), who has argued that the measure is meant to protect children when they visit their public libraries. “The main thing is I want to be able to take my kids to a library and make sure they’re in a safe environment, and that they’re not gonna be exposed to something that is objectionable material,” Baker told local news station KOAM. “Unfortunately, there are some libraries in the state of Missouri that have done this. And that’s a problem.” The bill would ban libraries that receive state funding from allowing minors access to “age-inappropriate sexual material.” To identify what that content is, the bill would include the creation of "parental library review boards" made up of five locally elected community members. The boards would then review what content it considers appropriate. Under the bill, librarians who "willfully" violate the rule could be fined $500 or face up to a year in jail. Critics warn, however, that the bill amounts to censorship. PEN America's deputy director of free expression research and policy, James Tager, said in a statement to the Washington Post the policy was an attempt at "book banning." Complete article here: Missouri bill proposes 'parental library review boards' that could land librarians in jailYeah, that's not gonna fly with libraries. Librarians don't take kindly to censorship. Librarians celebrate Banned Book Week - by proudly putting banned and challenged books on display to encourage everyone to check them out.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 16, 2020 8:56:44 GMT -5
Well, two parts to this. Part one, the hundred mom moutrage over the dam word. hahaha. Part two, the vegan burger. It has been pointed out that this is not even a healthy alternative. I don't think it's been said, but I surmise it is considered an environmentally friendly alternative to beef. Really? So, I feel the same way about this as I do non-alcoholic beer. I used to really like beer. Because I really liked (real) beer, I had no use for the ersatz stuff. When I stopped drinking beer I stopped drinking all beer. Why drink the fake crap? Blechh….. give me the real thing, or give me something different that is a real thing for what it is. Give me a good bubble seltzer water. Good. If I didn't eat meat, how about a portabella mushroom burger, or maybe a fresh tomato sandwich? Something really good? Burger King serving fresh vegetables? Not at this time. There are plenty of fast casual.places that will give you a plate of frsh vegetables that are lovely. That doesn't appeal to the BK average consumer. I commend BK for making a vegan option that seems familiar and accessible. It is part of the many steps needed to reduce consumption of meat by the world's population. We can debate if that will be necessary in the future, but making it a possibility, and making alternatives "normal" would definitely part of it.
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Post by imawino on Jan 16, 2020 9:16:40 GMT -5
The wierd thing about the "veggie burger" thing... most of the vegetarians/vegans I know don't really want to eat a burger that tastes like a beef burger... But then I know mostly older "non meat eating" people. I guess maybe the younger crowd wants to give up meat without giving up the taste/textures they've become accustomed to? (dang I think I just ended a sentence with a preposition) I'm a flexitarian and I don't really want to eat a "meatless" burger that tastes like meat... it sounds gross. I'm not really into replacing meat with "fake meat" - there are so many other awesome tastes and textures out there to try/enjoy. Why bother with trying to duplicate something old and tired and routine? Exactly! I love a good lentil burger or black bean burger for what they are. I made a great turkey chili last night and I enjoyed it for what it was. It was rocking good turkey chili, not a "wish you were beef chili" But if someone is really loves beef burgers, but they don't want an animal to die for it or are concerned about the environmental aspects of factory farming, there is absolutely nothing wrong with opting from something that isn't a beef burger but is as close as you can get. It doesn't mean they can't also enjoy a portabella or black bean burger for what they are. They are enjoying an Incredible Whopper for exactly what it is too - something that tastes like beef, but isn't. Why does everyone seem so insistent that there is an either/or in this scenario?
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Post by imawino on Jan 16, 2020 9:27:51 GMT -5
The wierd thing about the "veggie burger" thing... most of the vegetarians/vegans I know don't really want to eat a burger that tastes like a beef burger... But then I know mostly older "non meat eating" people. I guess maybe the younger crowd wants to give up meat without giving up the taste/textures they've become accustomed to? (dang I think I just ended a sentence with a preposition) I'm a flexitarian and I don't really want to eat a "meatless" burger that tastes like meat... it sounds gross. I'm not really into replacing meat with "fake meat" - there are so many other awesome tastes and textures out there to try/enjoy. Why bother with trying to duplicate something old and tired and routine? Doesn't flexitarian imply flexibility with food choices? Isn't a substitute meat just another way to add flexibility? So what exactly is the problem here?
I find it amazing that people who opt for an impossible burger once in a while are criticized from meat eaters, "flexetarians" and vegans alike.
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Post by swamp on Jan 16, 2020 10:14:53 GMT -5
That is horrific. I'd punch someone if they said that to me. And what if they said it around a child? Mow you're other kid will be terrified God is going to get lonely again and take another loved one. This is like the lord's prayer "And if I die before I wake I pray the lord my soul.to take." Awesome now I'm never sleeping again. Drama. that is NOT the Lord's Prayer, which goes like this: Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen. What you are describing is the equivalent of a nursery rhyme or fairy tale, most of which are disturbing! Catholics learn a different version of the Lord's Prayer. But it does not include dying before you wake. This is the prayer: Now I lay me down to sleep I pray the Lord my soul to keep If I die before I wake I pray the Lord my soul to take. I also learned that one in Catechism. It's pretty fucked up.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 16, 2020 11:00:39 GMT -5
This event could have (and has) happened at ANY Christian school, it is not just Kentucky.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 16, 2020 11:56:41 GMT -5
This event could have (and has) happened at ANY Christian school, it is not just Kentucky. Could it? And has it? I'm not sure "ANY" Christian school is accurate. I'm going to guess the number of schools who expel students because of colorful birthday cakes on social media is rather limited.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 16, 2020 12:23:02 GMT -5
She was not expelled because the birthday cake is colorful.
It's because it's a rainbow birthday cake. That is a major difference.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 16, 2020 12:30:17 GMT -5
She was not expelled because the birthday cake is colorful. It's because it's a rainbow birthday cake. That is a major difference. I said "colorful" because it's not technically a rainbow. That's not what rainbows look like. The article also said she had a rainbow sweater on, she doesn't.
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Post by swamp on Jan 16, 2020 12:41:17 GMT -5
She was not expelled because the birthday cake is colorful. It's because it's a rainbow birthday cake. That is a major difference. I said "colorful" because it's not technically a rainbow. That's not what rainbows look like. The article also said she had a rainbow sweater on, she doesn't. What picture are you looking at? It was a sweater with a rainbow-y type stripe on it. No, it's not technically the ROYGBIV rainbow colors, but it would generally be described as rainbow.
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Post by swamp on Jan 16, 2020 12:43:05 GMT -5
The article said that the rainbow cake was the last straw, she had been a behavior problem before. Repeated dress code violations, caught with a vape, and got an undercut (I think that's where the underlayer of hair is shaved off?) and wore her hair in a ponytail, thereby showing the offending undercut.
It sounds like they wanted to get rid of her, and this was their excuse. It's a pretty lame excuse if you ask me.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 16, 2020 12:52:11 GMT -5
I said "colorful" because it's not technically a rainbow. That's not what rainbows look like. The article also said she had a rainbow sweater on, she doesn't. What picture are you looking at? It was a sweater with a rainbow-y type stripe on it. No, it's not technically the ROYGBIV rainbow colors, but it would generally be described as rainbow. Right, it's a sweater that looks like it has 4 colors on it in a straight line. And the cake has colors on it in a complete circle. Neither are actual rainbows, which I would think is actually important if you're going to expel someone for having a rainbow cake or wearing a rainbow sweater...that either of the things actually be rainbows. If Joe Schmoe wants to call it a rainbow cake or a rainbow sweater...that's fine, no big deal. It's close enough for people to refer to it that way for simplicity. But if you're going to punish someone, then you should probably at least be accurate. Technically neither item is in the shape of a rainbow or contains the color scheme of a rainbow (I'll give them a pass on just letting it go 6 colors like most people do, but the cake starts with green at the top). So essentially, she was expelled for having a colorful cake and/or a striped sweater and sharing it on social media. It's like saying someone was expelled for smoking on school grounds, because they were smoking on grounds NEAR school grounds. Yeah it's close enough that if anyone said "they're over at the school" it would be fine in casual conversation, but when it comes to something as extreme as expulsion we should be accurate about specifics and technicalities moreso than we would be in daily jargon.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 16, 2020 12:55:20 GMT -5
The article said that the rainbow cake was the last straw, she had been a behavior problem before. Repeated dress code violations, caught with a vape, and got an undercut (I think that's where the underlayer of hair is shaved off?) and wore her hair in a ponytail, thereby showing the offending undercut. It sounds like they wanted to get rid of her, and this was their excuse. It's a pretty lame excuse if you ask me. That is how it sounds, which is kind of the perplexing part to me. If there's a pretty good chance she's going to do something again, just wait for her to do the thing that is clearly a violation (preferably not the ponytail thing which is dumb), but let her skip lunch, or have bad grades, or get caught with a vape. This is the kind of ridiculous excuse I'd expect to see a religious school use to kick out a Straight A student who they suspected was homosexual and were desperate to grasp at straws. If she has problems following the rules, bust this girl when she actually breaks a real rule...presumably it wouldn't be that hard?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 13:20:21 GMT -5
This is the prayer: Now I lay me down to sleep I pray the Lord my soul to keep If I die before I wake I pray the Lord my soul to take. I also learned that one in Catechism. It's pretty fucked up. I got curious and looked up where this actually came from. It's from a 1700's children's textbook based on Puritan theology.
There's been a few versions of it since then, my favorite of course being Metallica's "Enter Sandman"
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 16, 2020 13:51:51 GMT -5
Exactly! I love a good lentil burger or black bean burger for what they are. I made a great turkey chili last night and I enjoyed it for what it was. It was rocking good turkey chili, not a "wish you were beef chili" But if someone is really loves beef burgers, but they don't want an animal to die for it or are concerned about the environmental aspects of factory farming, there is absolutely nothing wrong with opting from something that isn't a beef burger but is as close as you can get. It doesn't mean they can't also enjoy a portabella or black bean burger for what they are. They are enjoying an Incredible Whopper for exactly what it is too - something that tastes like beef, but isn't. Why does everyone seem so insistent that there is an either/or in this scenario? That's my thoughts on it too. What is the big deal about an Impossible Whooper and why the derision? I thought the goal was to get people to start eating less meat? If an Impossible Whooper can get hundreds of people to try going meatless and it reduces the impact meat consumption has on the environment it can make a bigger impact than the handful of people in the corner smugly eating a lentil burger. Who cares if it's "not real vegetables". Who the hell goes to Burger King to eat healthy anyhow? And maybe they will eventually branch out to black bean burgers and lentil burgers that they wouldn't have otherwise. You never know. Even just switching their daily/weekly/monthly BK meal to meatless is of service to the environment if enough people do it.
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Meanwhile, in Missouri... Missouri bill proposes 'parental library review boards' that could land librarians in jailA new bill proposed in Missouri aims to prevent inappropriate sexual content from getting into the hands of kids, but critics are warning it amounts to censoring and could land public librarians in jail. The bill was introduced earlier this month by Missouri State Rep. Ben Baker (R), who has argued that the measure is meant to protect children when they visit their public libraries. “The main thing is I want to be able to take my kids to a library and make sure they’re in a safe environment, and that they’re not gonna be exposed to something that is objectionable material,” Baker told local news station KOAM. “Unfortunately, there are some libraries in the state of Missouri that have done this. And that’s a problem.” The bill would ban libraries that receive state funding from allowing minors access to “age-inappropriate sexual material.” To identify what that content is, the bill would include the creation of "parental library review boards" made up of five locally elected community members. The boards would then review what content it considers appropriate. Under the bill, librarians who "willfully" violate the rule could be fined $500 or face up to a year in jail. Critics warn, however, that the bill amounts to censorship. PEN America's deputy director of free expression research and policy, James Tager, said in a statement to the Washington Post the policy was an attempt at "book banning."Complete article here: Missouri bill proposes 'parental library review boards' that could land librarians in jailI remember sometime in the early 90's reading an article with a list of the 10 most banned books in school libraries across the US. My kids had 8 of the books on that list (courtesy of their mom). At the time Judy Blume was an especially reviled author. I don't know whether that still holds true though and there were "bad" books by other authors in their bookcases as well
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 16, 2020 13:58:42 GMT -5
This event could have (and has) happened at ANY Christian school, it is not just Kentucky. Could it? And has it? I'm not sure "ANY" Christian school is accurate. I'm going to guess the number of schools who expel students because of colorful birthday cakes on social media is rather limited. This particular incident? Probably not exactly. But Christian schools are not exactly known for being the most tolerant. This recently happened at a Christian camp near me - in one of the more liberal and tolerant areas of the US.
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Post by hoops902 on Jan 16, 2020 14:28:40 GMT -5
Could it? And has it? I'm not sure "ANY" Christian school is accurate. I'm going to guess the number of schools who expel students because of colorful birthday cakes on social media is rather limited. This particular incident? Probably not exactly. But Christian schools are not exactly known for being the most tolerant. This recently happened at a Christian camp near me - in one of the more liberal and tolerant areas of the US. They aren't, but this seems particularly...aggressive. Like colorful food on social media is grounds for expulsion. If I HAD social media, there'd be at least one photo on it of me eating a donut with "rainbow sprinkles" on it...I'd never considered that my sprinkle choice might be so offensive to Christian schools.
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Post by swamp on Jan 16, 2020 14:37:52 GMT -5
Damn, there goes my snack of rainbow sherbet.
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Post by Tiny on Jan 16, 2020 14:44:32 GMT -5
Well, apparently, we don't need One Million Moms to point out our inappropriate language. You just need a 7 year old learning the 10 commandments in (Catholic) school.
The peanut called me out when I took the Lord's name in vain this evening.
Inside I was all like and Of course, on the outside I did say good job for remembering one of them. (As an aside, in a previous conversation, DD1 said she thought parents made up the commandment about honoring thy mother and father.) Kids.
You could always let the kids know there isn't a commandment against parents beating the crap out of their kids. OK, I got threatened with parental violence as a kid (it didn't ever happen but the threat got used alot) so you should probably edit it with something meaningful to you and your kids.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jan 16, 2020 14:49:48 GMT -5
Drama. that is NOT the Lord's Prayer, which goes like this: Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen. What you are describing is the equivalent of a nursery rhyme or fairy tale, most of which are disturbing! Catholics learn a different version of the Lord's Prayer. But it does not include dying before you wake. This is the prayer: Now I lay me down to sleep I pray the Lord my soul to keep If I die before I wake I pray the Lord my soul to take. I also learned that one in Catechism. It's pretty fucked up. Sorry Swamp, for Catholics the Lord's prayer is commonly called the Our Father, for its first few words, just as Southern Susanna said. The one you wrote out is a bedtime prayer, but I think it's more Protestant than Catholic. Catholics do change the Our Father from Southern Susanna's version, though. We generally leave off the last part (For the kingdom and the power...) when saying the prayer on its own, during the rosary, etc. We do say it during Mass, but it's separated from the rest of the Our Father by another prayer/response by the priest.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 16, 2020 14:59:23 GMT -5
Exactly! I love a good lentil burger or black bean burger for what they are. I made a great turkey chili last night and I enjoyed it for what it was. It was rocking good turkey chili, not a "wish you were beef chili" But if someone is really loves beef burgers, but they don't want an animal to die for it or are concerned about the environmental aspects of factory farming, there is absolutely nothing wrong with opting from something that isn't a beef burger but is as close as you can get. It doesn't mean they can't also enjoy a portabella or black bean burger for what they are. They are enjoying an Incredible Whopper for exactly what it is too - something that tastes like beef, but isn't. Why does everyone seem so insistent that there is an either/or in this scenario? ^^This^^ I LIKE the taste of red meat, but I don't eat it. The Impossible Burger is close enough. Even Sushi the Destroyer thinks it's close enough.....he howls and demands that I share. He likes it. I like lentil burgers, chickpea burgers, etc., but on occasion I'd like to have some meat. I DON'T want to further damage the environment, and I DON'T want an animal to die. The Impossible Burger fits the bill.
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Post by swamp on Jan 16, 2020 15:13:38 GMT -5
Catholics learn a different version of the Lord's Prayer. But it does not include dying before you wake. This is the prayer: Now I lay me down to sleep I pray the Lord my soul to keep If I die before I wake I pray the Lord my soul to take. I also learned that one in Catechism. It's pretty fucked up. Sorry Swamp, for Catholics the Lord's prayer is commonly called the Our Father, for its first few words, just as Southern Susanna said. The one you wrote out is a bedtime prayer, but I think it's more Protestant than Catholic. Catholics do change the Our Father from Southern Susanna's version, though. We generally leave off the last part (For the kingdom and the power...) when saying the prayer on its own, during the rosary, etc. We do say it during Mass, but it's separated from the rest of the Our Father by another prayer/response by the priest. 13 years of Catechism, I'm good, thanks. I know it's the Our Father. I had never heard of it as The Lord's Prayer until I was a teen. I was just using the same terminology as Susana.
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