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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 15, 2020 10:39:14 GMT -5
It's damn healthier?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 15, 2020 11:43:57 GMT -5
On another note, why is the impossible burger popular with non-vegans? It seems more processed, and possibly less healthy, than a traditional burger. I'm assuming most people are eating it because they think it's healthier. That's not why they're eating it. I eat it and I know it's not healthier.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 15, 2020 12:40:20 GMT -5
And I'm OK with hearing some unsavory language related to phalluses if it also means that he's completely accepting of the lesbian couple across the street. I'd be far more worried if he started speaking with g-rated language at home and informed me that we were going to hell because we use the lesbian couple across the street as sitters. Because of course, exposing Miss M to such a relationship could influence her. And that is immoral. I was much more offended by the protest signs at Drag Queen Christmas announcing that the performers would burn in hell etc than I am about a teenager saying the F word over graduating.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 13:56:52 GMT -5
The highly processed aspect of vegan "meat" is being discussed a lot. I am not a vegan or vegetarian for ethical reasons, I just like a lot of veggies and plant-based foods. I haven't tried the Impossible Burger because the Burger King near me has a regular homeless population in the immediate area and a high level of retail transactions involving drugs and hookers in the parking lot. If I find another one soon, I'll give the burger a try.
I would vastly prefer children hear "damn" on TV than see endless stories of school shootings. Locally, we had one high school student killed on campus yesterday by a classmate. This was at a school widely considered "upscale" where folks rent houses they don't live in just to get their kid in the school.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 15, 2020 14:09:37 GMT -5
I agree that there are too many worse things in the universe. And on a scale of 1-10, the word damn doesn't even rate. That said, I do think young people have become so desensitized to language that they are losing the sense of appropriateness. I had students tell me they didn't give a f*ck if they graduated or not. They weren't using it to express an extreme. They also didn't give a f*ck about the weather or anything else. Someone has to model appropriateness. That's why cigarette ads were taken off the air. Monkey see, monkey do. I agree and the guy these women admire is the worst offender of all. It also begins at home. The language I hear when I'm out and about is horrible from adults, as well as kids. Maybe language just changes and what is verboten at one time, because normal speak in another. Jerk used to be a scandalous word, indicating mastrubation. Now jerk doesn't even register. It is the nice way to call someone names. Maybe fuck is just a word now. And by the time my kids die, it won't be any more offensive than Geeze. Are people still offended by "heck" or "hooey"?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 15, 2020 14:14:27 GMT -5
I learned that "jaywalking" was coined because at the time "jay" was an incredibly offensive slur to call someone. It made for an effective way to get people out of the road and make way for cars. Does anyone get offended by "jaywalking" anymore?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 15, 2020 14:46:21 GMT -5
I agree that there are too many worse things in the universe. And on a scale of 1-10, the word damn doesn't even rate. That said, I do think young people have become so desensitized to language that they are losing the sense of appropriateness. I had students tell me they didn't give a f*ck if they graduated or not. They weren't using it to express an extreme. They also didn't give a f*ck about the weather or anything else. Someone has to model appropriateness. That's why cigarette ads were taken off the air. Monkey see, monkey do. "Fuck" isn't even a swear word up here. You hear it all the time here in Quebec, even on the news.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 14:54:57 GMT -5
I agree that there are too many worse things in the universe. And on a scale of 1-10, the word damn doesn't even rate. That said, I do think young people have become so desensitized to language that they are losing the sense of appropriateness. I had students tell me they didn't give a f*ck if they graduated or not. They weren't using it to express an extreme. They also didn't give a f*ck about the weather or anything else. Someone has to model appropriateness. That's why cigarette ads were taken off the air. Monkey see, monkey do. "Fuck" isn't even a swear word up here. You hear it all the time here in Quebec, even on the news. Your newscasters say stuff !ike, "The police f*died up today"? I can imagine a slip here and there but not to the point it isn't a swear word. Sure, damn is borderline, but not the word f*ck.
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Post by dannylion on Jan 15, 2020 15:01:28 GMT -5
Well, two parts to this. Part one, the hundred mom moutrage over the dam word. hahaha. Part two, the vegan burger. It has been pointed out that this is not even a healthy alternative. I don't think it's been said, but I surmise it is considered an environmentally friendly alternative to beef. Really? So, I feel the same way about this as I do non-alcoholic beer. I used to really like beer. Because I really liked (real) beer, I had no use for the ersatz stuff. When I stopped drinking beer I stopped drinking all beer. Why drink the fake crap? Blechh….. give me the real thing, or give me something different that is a real thing for what it is. Give me a good bubble seltzer water. Good. If I didn't eat meat, how about a portabella mushroom burger, or maybe a fresh tomato sandwich? Something really good? Does the existence of the Impossible Burger mean you are not able to eat whatever alternative you choose? People who choose the Impossible Burger aren't doing it to keep you from eating a Portobello mushroom burger or fresh tomato sandwich or anything else. They probably don't care what you choose. Eat what you want. Let other people eat what they want.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 15:44:11 GMT -5
Not what I thought you meant.
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Post by swamp on Jan 15, 2020 15:45:38 GMT -5
"Fuck" isn't even a swear word up here. You hear it all the time here in Quebec, even on the news. Your newscasters say stuff !ike, "The police f*died up today"? I can imagine a slip here and there but not to the point it isn't a swear word. Sure, damn is borderline, but not the word f*ck. C'est tout fuckee is basically standard Quebecois French. It's not shocking, it's not vulgar, it's kind of like saying "it's all screwed up."
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jan 15, 2020 15:48:21 GMT -5
And I'm OK with hearing some unsavory language related to phalluses if it also means that he's completely accepting of the lesbian couple across the street. I'd be far more worried if he started speaking with g-rated language at home and informed me that we were going to hell because we use the lesbian couple across the street as sitters. Because of course, exposing Miss M to such a relationship could influence her. And that is immoral. I was much more offended by the protest signs at Drag Queen Christmas announcing that the performers would burn in hell etc than I am about a teenager saying the F word over graduating. I'm with Drama on this one. I really don't care what I hear any more. It's actions that drive me up the wall--or lack of actions.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 15, 2020 15:51:40 GMT -5
My ex-wife ended up in the principal's office over assigning a book in her high school English class which had the protagonist declare, "God damn us." It didn't matter to the parents that the character was actually calling upon God to damn them for what they had done.
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Post by Opti on Jan 15, 2020 18:10:55 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. If you are anti-gay, you ignore the fact that some people just like rainbows and bright colors.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 15, 2020 18:20:27 GMT -5
The highly processed aspect of vegan "meat" is being discussed a lot. I am not a vegan or vegetarian for ethical reasons, I just like a lot of veggies and plant-based foods. I haven't tried the Impossible Burger because the Burger King near me has a regular homeless population in the immediate area and a high level of retail transactions involving drugs and hookers in the parking lot. If I find another one soon, I'll give the burger a try. I would vastly prefer children hear "damn" on TV than see endless stories of school shootings. Locally, we had one high school student killed on campus yesterday by a classmate. This was at a school widely considered "upscale" where folks rent houses they don't live in just to get their kid in the school. I went to the One Million Moms website and didn't see anything about them protesting gun violence in our schools. Seems their money and energy could be better spent saving their children's lives than protesting about the word 'damn' or two women kissing. One Million Moms
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Post by dannylion on Jan 15, 2020 18:25:57 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. If you are anti-gay, you ignore the fact that some people just like rainbows and bright colors. Especially teenage girls.
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Post by Opti on Jan 15, 2020 18:47:07 GMT -5
The highly processed aspect of vegan "meat" is being discussed a lot. I am not a vegan or vegetarian for ethical reasons, I just like a lot of veggies and plant-based foods. I haven't tried the Impossible Burger because the Burger King near me has a regular homeless population in the immediate area and a high level of retail transactions involving drugs and hookers in the parking lot. If I find another one soon, I'll give the burger a try. I would vastly prefer children hear "damn" on TV than see endless stories of school shootings. Locally, we had one high school student killed on campus yesterday by a classmate. This was at a school widely considered "upscale" where folks rent houses they don't live in just to get their kid in the school. I went to the One Million Moms website and didn't see anything about them protesting gun violence in our schools. Seems their money and energy could be better spent saving their children's lives than protesting about the word 'damn' or two women kissing. One Million MomsI'm reading and IMO they don't sound all that Christian to me, just wanting to control the media to their standards. From their website - Our goal is to stop the exploitation of our children, especially by the entertainment media (TV, music, movies, etc.). Mom, OneMillionMoms.com is the most powerful tool you have to stand against the immorality, violence, vulgarity and profanity the entertainment media is throwing at your children. It is time to fight back! I find the word exploitation heavy-handed and inaccurate in how they use it. Saying Damn in a commercial is exploiting your kids for money? Really if you care about the media using your kids for financial gain, shouldn't you be more concerned about commercials with heavily sweetened cereal, using Disney characters and other tie-ins to get you to buy various food and other items? Why not just not watch "Once Upon a Time" and other things? (See their success brags) It reminds me to some extent of the wacko "Christian" school on Dr. Phil last night. None of the abuse heaped on the girls in this school had anything to do with Christianity. Nor his belief that apparently kids needed to broken before their first birthday. I think many things some folks say are Christian, really aren't, and are really used as a cover for preferred control freak tendencies.
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Post by Tiny on Jan 15, 2020 18:47:16 GMT -5
The wierd thing about the "veggie burger" thing... most of the vegetarians/vegans I know don't really want to eat a burger that tastes like a beef burger... But then I know mostly older "non meat eating" people. I guess maybe the younger crowd wants to give up meat without giving up the taste/textures they've become accustomed to? (dang I think I just ended a sentence with a preposition)
I'm a flexitarian and I don't really want to eat a "meatless" burger that tastes like meat... it sounds gross. I'm not really into replacing meat with "fake meat" - there are so many other awesome tastes and textures out there to try/enjoy. Why bother with trying to duplicate something old and tired and routine?
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Post by Tiny on Jan 15, 2020 18:53:40 GMT -5
The highly processed aspect of vegan "meat" is being discussed a lot. I am not a vegan or vegetarian for ethical reasons, I just like a lot of veggies and plant-based foods. I haven't tried the Impossible Burger because the Burger King near me has a regular homeless population in the immediate area and a high level of retail transactions involving drugs and hookers in the parking lot. If I find another one soon, I'll give the burger a try. I would vastly prefer children hear "damn" on TV than see endless stories of school shootings. Locally, we had one high school student killed on campus yesterday by a classmate. This was at a school widely considered "upscale" where folks rent houses they don't live in just to get their kid in the school. I went to the One Million Moms website and didn't see anything about them protesting gun violence in our schools. Seems their money and energy could be better spent saving their children's lives than protesting about the word 'damn' or two women kissing. One Million MomsWell, maybe if their kid dies by gun violence it's what God wanted and is OK. Because, you know, everything happens for a reason and God is always good? Now, their kid using a swear word (because they heard it somewhere and they think it's cool or OK to use) directly challenges what God wants. And that never ends well. It's better to save someone from Hell, than to save them from death or suffering in this life. (Catholic gradeschool. Good times. Yeah.)
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 15, 2020 18:58:57 GMT -5
I went to the One Million Moms website and didn't see anything about them protesting gun violence in our schools. Seems their money and energy could be better spent saving their children's lives than protesting about the word 'damn' or two women kissing. One Million Moms Well, maybe if their kid dies by gun violence it's what God wanted and is OK. Because, you know, everything happens for a reason and God is always good? Now, their kid using a swear word (because they heard it somewhere and they think it's cool or OK to use) directly challenges what God wants. And that never ends well. It's better to save someone from Hell, than to save them from death or suffering in this life. (Catholic gradeschool. Good times. Yeah.) I have heard it explained once or twice God was lonely and wanted the murdered/killed by accident/died of illness child to be with Him/Her/It/Other.
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Post by imawino on Jan 15, 2020 19:05:10 GMT -5
Well, maybe if their kid dies by gun violence it's what God wanted and is OK. Because, you know, everything happens for a reason and God is always good? Now, their kid using a swear word (because they heard it somewhere and they think it's cool or OK to use) directly challenges what God wants. And that never ends well. It's better to save someone from Hell, than to save them from death or suffering in this life. (Catholic gradeschool. Good times. Yeah.) I have heard it explained once or twice God was lonely and wanted the murdered/killed by accident/died of illness child to be with Him/Her/It/Other. Yikes! And do the people saying that find that notion comforting?!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 15, 2020 19:12:17 GMT -5
I have heard it explained once or twice God was lonely and wanted the murdered/killed by accident/died of illness child to be with Him/Her/It/Other. Yikes! And do the people saying that find that notion comforting?! Yes. Not sure though of the parents who lost their child. I know I would not be receptive to such nonsense.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 15, 2020 19:14:50 GMT -5
Well, maybe if their kid dies by gun violence it's what God wanted and is OK. Because, you know, everything happens for a reason and God is always good? Now, their kid using a swear word (because they heard it somewhere and they think it's cool or OK to use) directly challenges what God wants. And that never ends well. It's better to save someone from Hell, than to save them from death or suffering in this life. (Catholic gradeschool. Good times. Yeah.) I have heard it explained once or twice God was lonely and wanted the murdered/killed by accident/died of illness child to be with Him/Her/It/Other. That is horrific. I'd punch someone if they said that to me. And what if they said it around a child? Mow you're other kid will be terrified God is going to get lonely again and take another loved one. This is like the lord's prayer "And if I die before I wake I pray the lord my soul.to take." Awesome now I'm never sleeping again.
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I have heard it explained once or twice God was lonely and wanted the murdered/killed by accident/died of illness child to be with Him/Her/It/Other. That is horrific. I'd punch someone if they said that to me. And what if they said it around a child? Mow you're other kid will be terrified God is going to get lonely again and take another loved one. This is like the lord's prayer "And if I die before I wake I pray the lord my soul.to take." Awesome now I'm never sleeping again. Drama. that is NOT the Lord's Prayer, which goes like this: Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen. What you are describing is the equivalent of a nursery rhyme or fairy tale, most of which are disturbing!
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Post by Opti on Jan 15, 2020 19:22:41 GMT -5
Yikes! And do the people saying that find that notion comforting?! Yes. Not sure though of the parents who lost their child. I know I would not be receptive to such nonsense. Agreed, because its saying all powerful God isn't that powerful because he/she can't create enough friends to hang with OR so and so was so super special God had to have them killed so she/he could have him as a buddy. Seems nonsensical to me, but I think the deceased one was so special plays to some people.
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Post by Opti on Jan 15, 2020 19:25:49 GMT -5
I have heard it explained once or twice God was lonely and wanted the murdered/killed by accident/died of illness child to be with Him/Her/It/Other. That is horrific. I'd punch someone if they said that to me. And what if they said it around a child? Mow you're other kid will be terrified God is going to get lonely again and take another loved one. This is like the lord's prayer "And if I die before I wake I pray the lord my soul.to take." Awesome now I'm never sleeping again. SS is right, not the Lord's prayer but it was a part of a prayer taught to kids. I don't remember all of it, but yeah I never liked that bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 20:50:40 GMT -5
The wierd thing about the "veggie burger" thing... most of the vegetarians/vegans I know don't really want to eat a burger that tastes like a beef burger... But then I know mostly older "non meat eating" people. I guess maybe the younger crowd wants to give up meat without giving up the taste/textures they've become accustomed to? (dang I think I just ended a sentence with a preposition) I'm a flexitarian and I don't really want to eat a "meatless" burger that tastes like meat... it sounds gross. I'm not really into replacing meat with "fake meat" - there are so many other awesome tastes and textures out there to try/enjoy. Why bother with trying to duplicate something old and tired and routine? Exactly! I love a good lentil burger or black bean burger for what they are. I made a great turkey chili last night and I enjoyed it for what it was. It was rocking good turkey chili, not a "wish you were beef chili"
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