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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2019 11:55:06 GMT -5
I have heard mentioned instead of impeaching trump, why not censure him. trump has been called on for his lies, poor behavior, bad choice of words, and actions unbecoming of a president in the past by House and Senate members of both parties. This has been going on since even before the 2016 elections. Yet trump continued his lies, questionable words, unpresidential behavior and other actions while ignoring the warnings of those closest to him. trump believed his own lies that only he knew best. After the Mueller report was released, trump claimed the report exonerated him. It did not exonerate him. So trump continued his inappropriste behavior, lies, poor choice of words, and actions which has brought him and us to where we are today. I have no doubt in my mind if the House censured him, trump would laugh it off and continue on his current path of corruption. I am under no illusions the Senate will remove trump from office if the House impeches him. The Senate will cover his ass. But a censure won't work on trump. The only thing left is for the House to impeach trump. Let that be a wakeup call for trump. I am also aware trump could be reelected, the Republicans couldcontinue to hold the Senate, and retake the House in 2020. All as a result of the Democratic party-controlled House impeaching trump. But I would prefer to be on the right side of history by trying to get the country's attention in pointing out the criminality of trump and his continued abuse of office. Where you and I differ on this is the idea that impeachment without subsequent removal would be any type of a wake up call to President Trump. There is a possibility that the Senate, as well as the House, would censure him. That would not give him the "win" of the Senate vote to allow him to stay in office.
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Post by dondub on Dec 13, 2019 12:23:19 GMT -5
If the American voters give Trump a second term I will be at the edge and 2022 could push me over. If you're willing to take it to the streets, I will gladly join you. If there is one thing I learned 1968-1972 is you better be careful about hitting the streets. Now more than ever with our militarized police forces.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 13, 2019 12:38:52 GMT -5
I have heard mentioned instead of impeaching trump, why not censure him. trump has been called on for his lies, poor behavior, bad choice of words, and actions unbecoming of a president in the past by House and Senate members of both parties. This has been going on since even before the 2016 elections. Yet trump continued his lies, questionable words, unpresidential behavior and other actions while ignoring the warnings of those closest to him. trump believed his own lies that only he knew best. After the Mueller report was released, trump claimed the report exonerated him. It did not exonerate him. So trump continued his inappropriste behavior, lies, poor choice of words, and actions which has brought him and us to where we are today. I have no doubt in my mind if the House censured him, trump would laugh it off and continue on his current path of corruption. I am under no illusions the Senate will remove trump from office if the House impeches him. The Senate will cover his ass. But a censure won't work on trump. The only thing left is for the House to impeach trump. Let that be a wakeup call for trump. I am also aware trump could be reelected, the Republicans couldcontinue to hold the Senate, and retake the House in 2020. All as a result of the Democratic party-controlled House impeaching trump. But I would prefer to be on the right side of history by trying to get the country's attention in pointing out the criminality of trump and his continued abuse of office. Where you and I differ on this is the idea that impeachment without subsequent removal would be any type of a wake up call to President Trump. There is a possibility that the Senate, as well as the House, would censure him. That would not give him the "win" of the Senate vote to allow him to stay in office. I'm not hearing much of anything from Senate Republicans that trump has done anything wrong in the first place. I have no faith in the Republicans to do the right thing.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2019 12:46:56 GMT -5
Where you and I differ on this is the idea that impeachment without subsequent removal would be any type of a wake up call to President Trump. There is a possibility that the Senate, as well as the House, would censure him. That would not give him the "win" of the Senate vote to allow him to stay in office. I'm not hearing much of anything from Senate Republicans that trump has done anything wrong in the first place. I have no faith in the Republicans to do the right thing. Would need 4 for censure. More likely than over twenty for removal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 13:39:57 GMT -5
If the American voters give Trump a second term I will be at the edge and 2022 could push me over. You and Barbara Streisand.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2019 13:41:44 GMT -5
If you're willing to take it to the streets, I will gladly join you. If there is one thing I learned 1968-1972 is you better be careful about hitting the streets. Now more than ever with our militarized police forces. I think that the loss of life on the home front was necessary to finally get us out of Vietnam. This time could end up being similar.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2019 13:43:25 GMT -5
If the American voters give Trump a second term I will be at the edge and 2022 could push me over. You and Barbara Streisand. Hmmm, okay. I don't follow celebrity news so will have to take your word on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 13:52:38 GMT -5
Wasn't given much of a choice. I can see where in November of 2016 that makes sense. But it is a weak ass excuse for supporting President Trump's renomination. "Weak ass" being the key words in your post. Example; "Wasn't given much of a choice" could only refer to the past, in context to my answer to tbop77. (who I was quoting) Followed by; Only a 'dumb ass' would try to advance a premise that it meant the upcoming election. Good times !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 14:40:58 GMT -5
Anyway, back to the impeachment.
I actually think that MM should have the trial in the Senate
It should last a long time, with the Republicans calling all the shots, as it happened in reverse in the House.
Picture long winded Republicans going on and on about the continual misquotes, and long reach interpretations, by the House Democrats.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2019 16:08:19 GMT -5
I can see where in November of 2016 that makes sense. But it is a weak ass excuse for supporting President Trump's renomination. "Weak ass" being the key words in your post. Example; "Wasn't given much of a choice" could only refer to the past, in context to my answer to tbop77. (who I was quoting) Followed by; Only a 'dumb ass' would try to advance a premise that it meant the upcoming election. Good times !
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 13, 2019 16:24:19 GMT -5
Anyway, back to the impeachment. I actually think that MM should have the trial in the Senate It should last a long time, with the Republicans calling all the shots, as it happened in reverse in the House. Picture long winded Republicans going on and on about the continual misquotes, and long reach interpretations, by the House Democrats. If the outcome of the trial is already a foregone conclusion (which it is), why would any Democrats even bother attending it? I wouldn't.
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 13, 2019 16:43:59 GMT -5
Anyway, back to the impeachment. I actually think that MM should have the trial in the Senate It should last a long time, with the Republicans calling all the shots, as it happened in reverse in the House. Picture long winded Republicans going on and on about the continual misquotes, and long reach interpretations, by the House Democrats. If the outcome of the trial is already a foregone conclusion (which it is), why would any Democrats even bother attending it? I wouldn't. Apparently to make a long dumb speech that panders to their voters.
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 13, 2019 19:34:37 GMT -5
McConnell said on Fox last night he’s not going to conduct a trial. He will abandon his constitutional responsibility and go lock step with the president... the republic is effectively over. So....thinking about this more. If he doesn't follow the constitutional process of a trial, does it remain "open"? I know it is highly unlikely that the Senate would flip in either 20 or 22, but if it did, and Trump gets a second term, and there had not been a trial, and Trump was not officially exonerated, couldn't a Democratic Senate hold the trial?
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2019 20:02:22 GMT -5
McConnell said on Fox last night he’s not going to conduct a trial. He will abandon his constitutional responsibility and go lock step with the president... the republic is effectively over. So....thinking about this more. If he doesn't follow the constitutional process of a trial, does it remain "open"? I know it is highly unlikely that the Senate would flip in either 20 or 22, but if it did, and Trump gets a second term, and there had not been a trial, and Trump was not officially exonerated, couldn't a Democratic Senate hold the trial? There is no carryover from one (two year) Congress to the next.
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Post by ednkris on Dec 13, 2019 20:10:39 GMT -5
Where you and I differ on this is the idea that impeachment without subsequent removal would be any type of a wake up call to President Trump. There is a possibility that the Senate, as well as the House, would censure him. That would not give him the "win" of the Senate vote to allow him to stay in office. I'm not hearing much of anything from Senate Republicans that trump has done anything wrong in the first place. I have no faith in the Republicans to do the right thing. That is because they know this is a sham in the first place. Democrat congress is a lynch mob. The Senate needs to Acquit that would be the right thing to do.
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Post by oped on Dec 13, 2019 20:33:09 GMT -5
Anyway, back to the impeachment. I actually think that MM should have the trial in the Senate It should last a long time, with the Republicans calling all the shots, as it happened in reverse in the House. Picture long winded Republicans going on and on about the continual misquotes, and long reach interpretations, by the House Democrats. If the outcome of the trial is already a foregone conclusion (which it is), why would any Democrats even bother attending it? I wouldn't. Because it's their job?
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 13, 2019 20:47:33 GMT -5
I'm not hearing much of anything from Senate Republicans that trump has done anything wrong in the first place. I have no faith in the Republicans to do the right thing. That is because they know this is a sham in the first place. Democrat congress is a lynch mob. The Senate needs to Acquit that would be the right thing to do. LOL. The senate cannot overturn the impeachment vote. trump will still go down in history as only the third president in U.S. history to be impeached. And Hillary will laugh and laugh at him as trump will be no better than her husband.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 13, 2019 20:54:02 GMT -5
If the outcome of the trial is already a foregone conclusion (which it is), why would any Democrats even bother attending it? I wouldn't. Because it's their job? I might attend it as a senator if the trial is short in length and not some trump clown car circus which goes on for days and days ss trump wants it to do.
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Post by dondub on Dec 13, 2019 21:03:30 GMT -5
I feel the Demos have blown this. They should have brought in the Mueller report findings, with it’s ten cases of obstruction of justice, all the Ukrainian fiasco, and a kitchen sink.
Now the Mueller report will forever be considered an impotent waste of time and the Demos won’t be able to bang the drums repeatedly over all the nefarious deeds.
As the base won’t cave in their opinion of Trump, and the Demos won’t either, this is all about the moderates and independents as we head into an election year. I think tagging Trump with everything, to show the non cultists what he really is, would have been a better strategy knowing the Repo-Cons were going to focus more on Hunter Biden’s drug problem that Trump usurping the Constitution of these United States.
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Post by dondub on Dec 13, 2019 21:13:37 GMT -5
Furthermore, the only people that consider this a sham, instead of the just investigation into heinous activity it really was, are those that would call it “lynch mob”. Hardly an appropriate description of the event when the most mob mentality came from the pro Trumpers. Nor an adequate comparison to what a real lynch mob really was.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 13, 2019 21:19:55 GMT -5
House Democrat calls on McConnell to recuse himself from impeachment trial
Rep. Val Demings (D-Fla.) on Friday called on Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to recuse himself from the Senate impeachment trial, citing the GOP leader's remarks the previous night about coordinating with the White House. McConnell said during an interview on Fox News on Thursday night that “everything I do during this, I’m coordinating with the White House counsel. There will be no difference between the president’s position and our position as to how to handle this to the extent that we can.” Demings accused the GOP leader of promising to "sabotage" the trial. "No court in the country would allow a member of the jury to also serve as the accused’s defense attorney. The moment Senator McConnell takes the oath of impartiality required by the Constitution, he will be in violation of that oath," she said in a statement. Demings, who sits on the House Intelligence and Judiciary panels that have led the impeachment inquiry, pointed to Article 1, Section 3 of the Constitution. The section states: “The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation.” The "Oath" is defined by Senate rules and would read: "I solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of [President Trump], now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God." Article here: House Democrat calls on McConnell to recuse himself from impeachment trial
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2019 21:33:47 GMT -5
An interesting wild card I have heard no mention of is Chief Justice Roberts. Will he be willing to preside over a circus? His legacy could be seriously impacted by what takes place.
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Dec 13, 2019 22:22:31 GMT -5
I might attend it as a senator if the trial is short in length and not some trump clown car circus which goes on for days and days ss trump wants it to do. There was a meme on FB today that asked if they will try him as an adult. LMAO!
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Post by tbop77 on Dec 14, 2019 7:27:19 GMT -5
Anyway, back to the impeachment. I actually think that MM should have the trial in the Senate It should last a long time, with the Republicans calling all the shots, as it happened in reverse in the House. Picture long winded Republicans going on and on about the continual misquotes, and long reach interpretations, by the House Democrats. Like I said, we have no government and a certain segment of the country that doesn't care. If you did, you would really want Rudy, Mulvaney, Pompeo, and maybe even Barr to testify. Then you might could see for yourself that he was abusing his power of office. You'd want to know the truth. Guess we can "get over it" though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 8:41:26 GMT -5
If the outcome of the trial is already a foregone conclusion (which it is), why would any Democrats even bother attending it? I wouldn't. Apparently to make a long dumb speech that panders to their voters. About the misquotes and interpretations ? Those were dumb all right. Needs to start a conversation on this, a long one. I wonder if they'll make a speech telling their constituents that there will be Trump bucks being handed out, for voting for him ? Then they can all form big lines at the handout office to get their money. From Trumps stash.
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Post by tbop77 on Dec 14, 2019 9:17:21 GMT -5
Apparently to make a long dumb speech that panders to their voters. About the misquotes and interpretations ? Those were dumb all right. Needs to start a conversation on this, a long one. I wonder if they'll make a speech telling their constituents that there will be Trump bucks being handed out, for voting for him ? Then they can all form big lines at the handout office to get their money. From Trumps stash. No worries, he already has it, it's the US Treasury. Remember that wall that Mexico was going to pay for? Holding aid to Ukraine to get dirt on his opponent? Maybe he can win the House in 2020 and they can put a line in the budget just for him to use. I'm sure the Party of Trump would cheer them on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 9:18:56 GMT -5
Anyway, back to the impeachment. I actually think that MM should have the trial in the Senate It should last a long time, with the Republicans calling all the shots, as it happened in reverse in the House. Picture long winded Republicans going on and on about the continual misquotes, and long reach interpretations, by the House Democrats. Like I said, we have no government and a certain segment of the country that doesn't care. If you did, you would really want Rudy, Mulvaney, Pompeo, and maybe even Barr to testify. Then you might could see for yourself that he was abusing his power of office. You'd want to know the truth. Guess we can "get over it" though. We have government. Although less of it would agree with me more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 9:22:41 GMT -5
About the misquotes and interpretations ? Those were dumb all right. Needs to start a conversation on this, a long one. I wonder if they'll make a speech telling their constituents that there will be Trump bucks being handed out, for voting for him ? Then they can all form big lines at the handout office to get their money. From Trumps stash. No worries, he already has it, it's the US Treasury. Remember that wall that Mexico was going to pay for? Holding aid to Ukraine to get dirt on his opponent? Maybe he can win the House in 2020 and they can put a line in the budget just for him to use. I'm sure the Party of Trump would cheer them on. He's just trying to keep up with Obama's $4 trillion in quantitative easing. While enacting to big to fail tax handouts. Along with 10 trillion in deficit spending. He's no where near that yet, but he keeps on trying.
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Post by oped on Dec 14, 2019 9:25:55 GMT -5
You understand that federal economic purpose and policy during a great depression is not going to be the same as during an economic high... i mean, right? That makes sense?
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