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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 7, 2019 18:59:50 GMT -5
If Hillary would have won,, Scalia, would have still died. Hillary wanting to show how Political Correct, would have nominated Who?? Sure as hell would not have been a man!
My money would have been on Merrick Garland. He was not good enough the first time.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 7, 2019 19:04:45 GMT -5
My money would have been on Merrick Garland. He was not good enough the first time. Actually, he wasn't considered
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 8, 2019 10:48:14 GMT -5
My money would have been on Merrick Garland. He was not good enough the first time. Scalia died while Obama was in office. As soon as the election was over, McConnell would have confirmed Garland so Hillary wouldn't have had a chance to pick Obama or Bill. Plus, Bill is in his 70's and has already had a heart attack. She would definitely pick the youngest person she could to lock down that seat for as long as possible.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 8, 2019 11:44:39 GMT -5
He was not good enough the first time. Actually, he wasn't considered That is true!
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 8, 2019 21:48:42 GMT -5
He was not good enough the first time. Actually, he wasn't considered there was no objection to Garland that I am aware of, save one:
Obama appointed him.
if he were given a hearing, he would have sailed in.
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Post by tbop77 on Dec 13, 2019 6:41:28 GMT -5
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Post by oped on Dec 13, 2019 7:03:51 GMT -5
... As far as the constitution look into all the times Obama broke the constitution. I think it was around 27 times but that is fine with the Dems he was your cult leader, your kook-aid maker, your golden boy. At some point, Congress will have to impeach and remove a President for overstepping their Constitutional authority or cease to be a co-equal branch of government. It is unlikely that it will President Trump, but it will have to be done sometime. If it’s not done now it’s unlikely to ever be done. If he isn’t held accountable for obstructing congress the precedent will be set. No congress will ever again have the authority to request information in oversight of the president. Any future president will be able to hide anything.
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Post by oped on Dec 13, 2019 7:06:20 GMT -5
McConnell said on Fox last night he’s not going to conduct a trial. He will abandon his constitutional responsibility and go lock step with the president... the republic is effectively over.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2019 8:48:14 GMT -5
At some point, Congress will have to impeach and remove a President for overstepping their Constitutional authority or cease to be a co-equal branch of government. It is unlikely that it will President Trump, but it will have to be done sometime. If it’s not done now it’s unlikely to ever be done. If he isn’t held accountable for obstructing congress the precedent will be set. No congress will ever again have the authority to request information in oversight of the president. Any future president will be able to hide anything. I think this is why impeachment in this case is the wrong move. President Trump will not be removed and thus Congress will not hold him accountable. I do question this being that truly significant of a precedent. Yes, it might make future presidents think even more so they can get away with obstructing congressional oversight. And they will be able to do so. Until that one day that Congress says they can't get away with it and removes them from office.
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 13, 2019 8:49:47 GMT -5
McConnell said on Fox last night he’s not going to conduct a trial. He will abandon his constitutional responsibility and go lock step with the president... the republic is effectively over. 😖
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 8:52:13 GMT -5
Did anyone here actually not see that coming ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 8:55:13 GMT -5
With the inherent weakness of their 'interpretation ' of a phone call, really couldn't see it getting anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 8:56:49 GMT -5
McConnell said on Fox last night he’s not going to conduct a trial. He will abandon his constitutional responsibility and go lock step with the president... the republic is effectively over. The Republic isn't over. It's now the other side of the aisle saying the same things, as when Harry Reid held the reigns.
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Post by tbop77 on Dec 13, 2019 8:57:10 GMT -5
Did anyone here actually not see that coming ? As in President Trump would stomp on the constitution and Republicans would sacrifice the country to stay in office. No, I had more respect for conservatives and what they stood for.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 8:59:38 GMT -5
Did anyone here actually not see that coming ? As in President Trump would stomp on the constitution and Republicans would sacrifice the country to stay in office. No, I had more respect for conservatives and what they stood for. No, as in MM not bringing it to trial You do know that Trump is not a conservative, don't you ?
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Post by tbop77 on Dec 13, 2019 9:01:45 GMT -5
As in President Trump would stomp on the constitution and Republicans would sacrifice the country to stay in office. No, I had more respect for conservatives and what they stood for. You do know that Trump is not a conservstive, don't you ? I really wouldn't want to claim him either if I was you....but he is your loud-mouthed New Yorker that you support.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 9:03:56 GMT -5
You do know that Trump is not a conservstive, don't you ? I really wouldn't want to claim him either if I was you....but he is your loud-mouthed New Yorker that you support. Wasn't given much of a choice.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2019 9:03:56 GMT -5
As in President Trump would stomp on the constitution and Republicans would sacrifice the country to stay in office. No, I had more respect for conservatives and what they stood for. No, as in MM not bringing it to trial You do know that Trump is not a conservstive, don't you ? True, he is a demagogue with no underlying political philosophy.
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Post by tbop77 on Dec 13, 2019 9:06:49 GMT -5
No, as in MM not bringing it to trial You do know that Trump is not a conservstive, don't you ? True, he is a demagogue with no underlying political philosophy. His philosophy is get dirt on your political opponent any way you can to win! #MAGA
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2019 9:08:40 GMT -5
I really wouldn't want to claim him either if I was you....but he is your loud-mouthed New Yorker that you support. Wasn't given much of a choice. I can see where in November of 2016 that makes sense. But it is a weak ass excuse for supporting President Trump's renomination.
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Post by oped on Dec 13, 2019 10:14:27 GMT -5
If it’s not done now it’s unlikely to ever be done. If he isn’t held accountable for obstructing congress the precedent will be set. No congress will ever again have the authority to request information in oversight of the president. Any future president will be able to hide anything. I think this is why impeachment in this case is the wrong move. President Trump will not be removed and thus Congress will not hold him accountable. I do question this being that truly significant of a precedent. Yes, it might make future presidents think even more so they can get away with obstructing congressional oversight. And they will be able to do so. Until that one day that Congress says they can't get away with it and removes them from office. Regardless he gets away with it and precedent is set.
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Post by oped on Dec 13, 2019 10:16:31 GMT -5
Did anyone here actually not see that coming ? As in President Trump would stomp on the constitution and Republicans would sacrifice the country to stay in office. No, I had more respect for conservatives and what they stood for. I didn’t.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2019 10:29:50 GMT -5
I think this is why impeachment in this case is the wrong move. President Trump will not be removed and thus Congress will not hold him accountable. I do question this being that truly significant of a precedent. Yes, it might make future presidents think even more so they can get away with obstructing congressional oversight. And they will be able to do so. Until that one day that Congress says they can't get away with it and removes them from office. Regardless he gets away with it and precedent is set. I think you are giving "precedent" in regards to Congressional action more power than it has in our system. Not only will there be a Presidential election in 2020,there will be Senate elections and the entire House will have elections as well. President Trump will not be removed from office. It will be interesting to see if there is any backlash in other elections, even if it is just narrowing of victory margins. And if President Trump is reelected and takes great advantage of his perceived power, there is 2022 with those Congressional races. The process to correct this imbalance will continue to exist.
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Post by oped on Dec 13, 2019 10:43:38 GMT -5
Took Rome 11 years from fail to fall... I understand your unwillingness to accept the inevitable course given the daily erosion of our norms and tenets. I guess we’ll see.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 11:00:28 GMT -5
The first question I ask myself in any Presidential election is “do I trust this person in a Cuban missile crisis situation to deescalate and avoid armageddon”
Every single major party candidate going back to when I was born the answer is yes, except for Donald Trump.
This should be every Americans first test for voting for their Commander in Chief. Anyone who would say they would trust Trump in this scenario is lying or doesn’t understand the consequences of that kind of situation going badly.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2019 11:05:23 GMT -5
Took Rome 11 years from fail to fall... I understand your unwillingness to accept the inevitable course given the daily erosion of our norms and tenets. I guess we’ll see. I will admit I am a Lord of the Rings nerd. There is the scene in The Keep in which Legolas tells Aragon the he was wrong to despair, that Aragon had not lead them astray before. I do have that faith in our governmental system. People have let us down numerous times in our history but the system has been a means to get us back on track. Rome relied on individuals, it didn't have a solid systemic foundation. It is easy to write a happy ending to a fictional story. You are spot on to whether this real life story will have one. I just am not ready yet to give in to despair.
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Post by oped on Dec 13, 2019 11:25:47 GMT -5
Love Lord of the Rings... Star Wars too... although like most I disliked the prequels... except for that one scene... where Queen Amidala stands in the Senate who has just voted to relinquish the republic to the Emporer and reminds us that Republics do not burn up in the fires of war... but that instead 'Liberty Dies to Thunderous Applause'....
The reality is our 'solid systemic foundation' is crumbling daily.
I'm not giving in to despair. But I'm planning for what I have to accept as a likely outcome. We are living in a post truth society where there is no more objective reality upon which most people agree. It is very likely not going to end well. I tried the first year or so... when I was having the most violent existential crises every day, to repeat the mantras dead cat bounce and extinction burst... but the more time that goes on the more I must accept that just isn't enough to explain what is happening.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 13, 2019 11:47:00 GMT -5
I have heard mentioned instead of impeaching trump, why not censure him.
trump has been called on for his lies, poor behavior, bad choice of words, and actions unbecoming of a president in the past by House and Senate members of both parties. This has been going on since even before the 2016 elections. Yet trump continued his lies, questionable words, unpresidential behavior and other actions while ignoring the warnings of those closest to him. trump believed his own lies that only he knew best.
After the Mueller report was released, trump claimed the report exonerated him. It did not exonerate him. So trump continued his inappropriste behavior, lies, poor choice of words, and actions which has brought him and us to where we are today.
I have no doubt in my mind if the House censured him, trump would laugh it off and continue on his current path of corruption.
I am under no illusions the Senate will remove trump from office if the House impeches him. The Senate will cover his ass. But a censure won't work on trump. The only thing left is for the House to impeach trump. Let that be a wakeup call for trump.
I am also aware trump could be reelected, the Republicans couldcontinue to hold the Senate, and retake the House in 2020. All as a result of the Democratic party-controlled House impeaching trump. But I would prefer to be on the right side of history by trying to get the country's attention in pointing out the criminality of trump and his continued abuse of office.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 13, 2019 11:48:51 GMT -5
If the American voters give Trump a second term I will be at the edge and 2022 could push me over.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 13, 2019 11:51:20 GMT -5
If the American voters give Trump a second term I will be at the edge and 2022 could push me over. If you're willing to take it to the streets, I will gladly join you.
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