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Post by ednkris on Dec 3, 2019 18:48:32 GMT -5
You are so convinced there is a cult following when in reality most people on the right think the left is cultist in their actions against trump. No one ever says he is perfect...he is actually obnoxious, loud mouth, arrogant. That is not why I voted for him although sometimes it is needed in certain situations. Voted for him basically to keep Hillary out after 8 years of leftism we needed a good conservative supreme court, we needed to roll back some of those corporate regulations. The country went too far left. The comic was cute i didn't get any emotional response to it one way or another it was all immaterial. When I say i don't think Trump is a racist, a rapist, a misogynistic, i truly believe it, not because he says so but because there is no real facts to prove it. All i ever read is misquotes, cherry picked phrases, or hearsay. He is a blowheart. He does what he says he is going to do whether people like it or not, he puts the united states first no matter what (that is the way it is supposed to be all other countries are beneath us). I get that people have different political views thats fine but this whole impeachment thing is a sham Trumped up pun intended crap. They will impeach the Senate already sees how bogus it is so it will go no where except a mark by his name that is not going to bother him he will wear it with a badge of honor that he accomplished what needed to get done and the opposite side showed they went over the cliff to try to destroy him. Where's that beautiful health care plan he promised? We to be honest that dismayed me a bit. I disagreed with him on this probably could have done more but Mccain voted opposite just to spite him. No big deal. As far as i'm concerned ACA should just be demolished not replaced with some sort of socialized medicine.
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Post by ednkris on Dec 3, 2019 18:50:04 GMT -5
You are so convinced there is a cult following when in reality most people on the right think the left is cultist in their actions against trump. No one ever says he is perfect...he is actually obnoxious, loud mouth, arrogant. That is not why I voted for him although sometimes it is needed in certain situations. Voted for him basically to keep Hillary out after 8 years of leftism we needed a good conservative supreme court, we needed to roll back some of those corporate regulations. The country went too far left. The comic was cute i didn't get any emotional response to it one way or another it was all immaterial. When I say i don't think Trump is a racist, a rapist, a misogynistic, i truly believe it, not because he says so but because there is no real facts to prove it. All i ever read is misquotes, cherry picked phrases, or hearsay. He is a blowheart. He does what he says he is going to do whether people like it or not, he puts the united states first no matter what (that is the way it is supposed to be all other countries are beneath us). I get that people have different political views thats fine but this whole impeachment thing is a sham Trumped up pun intended crap. They will impeach the Senate already sees how bogus it is so it will go no where except a mark by his name that is not going to bother him he will wear it with a badge of honor that he accomplished what needed to get done and the opposite side showed they went over the cliff to try to destroy him. He promised to establish a commission on radical Islam. There is no commission No instead he destroyed it. Something that the previous administration helped foster
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Post by dondub on Dec 3, 2019 18:50:49 GMT -5
How easily you downplay a mass variety of evidence re: Trump's behavior. There are numerous women that have eyewitness accounts of his abuse. His first wife gave a deposition that he had raped her. His misogyny is on display anytime he comes up against a strong women where he belittles them or acts out an orgasm for all the world to see. His first racist conviction came back in the 70's in NYC. That in and of itself would meet any standard for "real facts that prove it".
In the meantime: -NO new wall -NO tremendous new healthcare plan -NO increase in manufacturing -NO decrease in the deficit
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Post by dondub on Dec 3, 2019 18:52:08 GMT -5
Where's that beautiful health care plan he promised? We to be honest that dismayed me a bit. I disagreed with him on this probably could have done more but Mccain voted opposite just to spite him. No big deal. As far as i'm concerned ACA should just be demolished not replaced with some sort of socialized medicine. Pro-death becomes you.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 3, 2019 18:52:09 GMT -5
He promised to establish a commission on radical Islam. There is no commission No instead he destroyed it. Something that the previous administration helped foster Why can't you admit that your statement was wrong?
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Post by ednkris on Dec 3, 2019 18:52:18 GMT -5
You are so convinced there is a cult following when in reality most people on the right think the left is cultist in their actions against trump. No one ever says he is perfect...he is actually obnoxious, loud mouth, arrogant. That is not why I voted for him although sometimes it is needed in certain situations. Voted for him basically to keep Hillary out after 8 years of leftism we needed a good conservative supreme court, we needed to roll back some of those corporate regulations. The country went too far left. The comic was cute i didn't get any emotional response to it one way or another it was all immaterial. When I say i don't think Trump is a racist, a rapist, a misogynistic, i truly believe it, not because he says so but because there is no real facts to prove it. All i ever read is misquotes, cherry picked phrases, or hearsay. He is a blowheart. He does what he says he is going to do whether people like it or not, he puts the united states first no matter what (that is the way it is supposed to be all other countries are beneath us). I get that people have different political views thats fine but this whole impeachment thing is a sham Trumped up pun intended crap. They will impeach the Senate already sees how bogus it is so it will go no where except a mark by his name that is not going to bother him he will wear it with a badge of honor that he accomplished what needed to get done and the opposite side showed they went over the cliff to try to destroy him. He said he would end birthright citizenship. He hasn't - because even he cannot change the Constitution Not for the lack of trying---something cannot be done due to legality--then again with a good supreme court we shall see
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Post by dondub on Dec 3, 2019 18:53:35 GMT -5
He promised to establish a commission on radical Islam. There is no commission No instead he destroyed it. Something that the previous administration helped foster Not even close. Did FAUX tell you that? And Obama fostering radical Islam? Is that what those drones were doing?
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 3, 2019 18:53:57 GMT -5
... (... all other countries are beneath us). ... With that as a core belief, support of President Trump makes perfect sense.
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Post by ednkris on Dec 3, 2019 18:56:13 GMT -5
How easily you downplay a mass variety of evidence re: Trump's behavior. There are numerous women that have eyewitness accounts of his abuse. His first wife gave a deposition that he had raped her. His misogyny is on display anytime he comes up against a strong women where he belittles them or acts out an orgasm for all the world to see. His first racist conviction came back in the 70's in NYC. That in and of itself would meet any standard for "real facts that prove it".
In the meantime: -NO new wall -NO tremendous new healthcare plan -NO increase in manufacturing -NO decrease in the deficit Wall is being built --had to circumvent some funding but it is being built I mention healthcare i'm at odds on this, don't need a new one just abolish the old one don't know where you are manufacturing is booming here in SC Deficit, you got me there then lets see where it will end of after his next term (there will be one, the dems only have ass clowns that can't touch him). As long as he has added 1 dollar less than obama i will call that a success
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Post by ednkris on Dec 3, 2019 18:57:19 GMT -5
We to be honest that dismayed me a bit. I disagreed with him on this probably could have done more but Mccain voted opposite just to spite him. No big deal. As far as i'm concerned ACA should just be demolished not replaced with some sort of socialized medicine. Pro-death becomes you. yadda yadda yadda
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2019 19:03:11 GMT -5
what does this even MEAN?
if it means that tariffs will be kept in place, then he will probably lose the election for that reason alone. disposable income used for the purpose of playing tariffs will drive down consumption, which in turn will drive down the stock market. if the rich bail on Trump, he is toast.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 3, 2019 19:05:33 GMT -5
SMH. He's no genius, stable or otherwise. I believe that he is of average intelligence, just clever. It's not necessary to be an intellectual giant to be clever. Add to that his narcissism... I'm going to be interested to read ednkris response to my question about what it is that he/she finds so admirable. A person of average intelligence can figure out how to close an umbrella. A person of average intelligence doesn't think the USA has been friends with Italy for thousands of years. A person of average intelligence doesn't think there were airports during the Revolutionary War. A person of average intelligence doesn't write his own absolutely ridiculous doctor's letter, saying he's the healthiest person in the world and expect everyone else to swallow it, including medical personnel. He's a dumbass. Not clever, but sly. Big difference.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2019 19:06:57 GMT -5
It's hilarious how he gets under ya'll skin. Trump is not the circus show you guys are like watching a bunch of clowns running around the clown car. You're all so worried he will win the next election. blood poisoning also gets under my skin, and yeah, I am worried if that happens.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 3, 2019 19:08:46 GMT -5
Where's that beautiful health care plan he promised? We to be honest that dismayed me a bit. I disagreed with him on this probably could have done more but Mccain voted opposite just to spite him. No big deal. As far as i'm concerned ACA should just be demolished not replaced with some sort of socialized medicine. Yes, we know. Poor people who didn't have the wherewithal to plan for the future should just die.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2019 19:09:52 GMT -5
Damn right and all Americans ….except the skin heads and anti white, black, Jews, Latin's, brown, yellow, any who are different....know this. Four more years of the last soap opera with no constraints on him at all...Can't count on the pubs as we have seen and if he wins, Dems have shot their load...end of eight years of this narcistick one...You won't recognize America... Their standing in the world as the #1 will be overtaken by China and USA a very strong second class nation, with influence of a second rate.. Kind of like France, England, Italy and such..but a bit more because of the strong military..hugh nuclear..but realistically, all know never to be used .. {but slowly decreasing of strong military as it becomes harder and harder to financially support...our deficit and raising interest costs draining our assets, finally catching up to us and interest rates starting to climb a bit...even a slight increase, on our debt, unsustainable IMHO} We were already looked at as a second class nation since the last pity full administration
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Post by ednkris on Dec 3, 2019 19:11:54 GMT -5
It's hilarious how he gets under ya'll skin. Trump is not the circus show you guys are like watching a bunch of clowns running around the clown car. You're all so worried he will win the next election. blood poisoning also gets under my skin, and yeah, I am worried if that happens.
DJ, You and i don't see eye to eye too often, i do respect your candor, and intelligent posts.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 3, 2019 19:15:05 GMT -5
We were already looked at as a second class nation since the last pity full administration Yes, when Obama comes here, he speaks to packed houses. When Trump came here, there were petitions and mass protests to keep him out.
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Post by ednkris on Dec 3, 2019 19:15:17 GMT -5
We were already looked at as a second class nation since the last pity full administration ] That is about what i would expect, I mean come on do they even matter maybe Germany. As far as i'm concerned the UN is a bullshit the world should basically be looked over by 5 key countries USA, Germany, Japan, China, Russia that is about it.
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Post by dondub on Dec 3, 2019 19:15:53 GMT -5
A typical compassionate conservative response to all the death that would occur if you had your way. Ignore it if you want but the facts prove it. Pro-death. What a guy!
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Post by ednkris on Dec 3, 2019 19:16:35 GMT -5
Yes, when Obama comes here, he speaks to packed houses. When Trump came here, there were petitions and mass protests to keep him out. You mean here as in Canada, does that or they even matter
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Post by ednkris on Dec 3, 2019 19:17:45 GMT -5
A typical compassionate conservative response to all the death that would occur if you had your way. Ignore it if you want but the facts prove it. Pro-death. What a guy! There was nothing wrong with the health system before ACA. if you needed care hospitals would not turn you away.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2019 19:24:33 GMT -5
You are so convinced there is a cult following when in reality most people on the right think the left is cultist in their actions against trump. No one ever says he is perfect...he is actually obnoxious, loud mouth, arrogant. That is not why I voted for him although sometimes it is needed in certain situations. Voted for him basically to keep Hillary out after 8 years of leftism we needed a good conservative supreme court, we needed to roll back some of those corporate regulations. The country went too far left. The comic was cute i didn't get any emotional response to it one way or another it was all immaterial. I find that implausible.
so, the idea that George Washington had a set of dentures made from slaves didn't bug you? it bugged me, and I am not a huge fan of Washington at all. it bugged me because it challenges what I DO believe about Washington.
if the comic is correct, challenging the set beliefs of Trump voters is not the way forward. but if that is true, what is?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2019 19:26:19 GMT -5
blood poisoning also gets under my skin, and yeah, I am worried if that happens.
DJ, You and i don't see eye to eye too often, i do respect your candor, and intelligent posts. I appreciate your respectful replies. it is healthy to have a conversation with people you disagree with, so long as they don't start coming after you personally. that way, we can actually learn and evolve, which is part of what being here is for me.
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Post by dondub on Dec 3, 2019 19:27:57 GMT -5
How easily you downplay a mass variety of evidence re: Trump's behavior. There are numerous women that have eyewitness accounts of his abuse. His first wife gave a deposition that he had raped her. His misogyny is on display anytime he comes up against a strong women where he belittles them or acts out an orgasm for all the world to see. His first racist conviction came back in the 70's in NYC. That in and of itself would meet any standard for "real facts that prove it".
In the meantime: -NO new wall -NO tremendous new healthcare plan -NO increase in manufacturing -NO decrease in the deficit Wall is being built --had to circumvent some funding but it is being built I mention healthcare i'm at odds on this, don't need a new one just abolish the old one don't know where you are manufacturing is booming here in SC Deficit, you got me there then lets see where it will end of after his next term (there will be one, the dems only have ass clowns that can't touch him). As long as he has added 1 dollar less than obama i will call that a success It's quite easy to find numerous articles on whether any 'new' wall has been built. As of last month the answer is no. Maybe 76 miles of old wall has been rebuilt. Trump and the Repo-Cons have been lying to you for years on this. McCain voted NO as a man of conscience. Unlike you he didn't really want 20,000+ Americans to die every year. Quite easy to find that the Trump manufacturing boom is a failure. He was too stupid to know that the corp. tax cuts would not be reinvested, but would be used for stock buyback and executive bonuses. Of course the Obama deficit had certain elements affecting it such as putting the wars on the books, dragging us out of the BushCo. Crash, existing spending initiatives etc.
I believe DJ made a case that there was really nothing Obama could have done. That it was baked in the cake. Unlike Bush for instance who really blew it. And trump, as a large part of the increased debt is due to tax cuts that were not needed and which will add trillions.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 3, 2019 19:30:08 GMT -5
We were already looked at as a second class nation since the last pity full administration The graph is the confidence that Europeans have that the US President will do the right thing in world affairs. Of course they have no confidence in President Trump doing what they perceive as the "right thing". For Trump (and his supporters), the right thing is what benefits the United States the most and Europeans don't like that. Therefore the graph is a positive sign. (View from the other side) EDIT: I started typing this, got a phone call, finished it, posted it, and now see that ed confirmed the concept.
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Post by dondub on Dec 3, 2019 19:30:11 GMT -5
A typical compassionate conservative response to all the death that would occur if you had your way. Ignore it if you want but the facts prove it. Pro-death. What a guy! There was nothing wrong with the health system before ACA. if you needed care hospitals would not turn you away. Other than 40,000 deaths per year and mass medical bancos of both individuals and organizations providing unreimbursed care to the indigent. If you took off your death mask you might be able to see the truth.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2019 19:30:26 GMT -5
How easily you downplay a mass variety of evidence re: Trump's behavior. There are numerous women that have eyewitness accounts of his abuse. His first wife gave a deposition that he had raped her. His misogyny is on display anytime he comes up against a strong women where he belittles them or acts out an orgasm for all the world to see. His first racist conviction came back in the 70's in NYC. That in and of itself would meet any standard for "real facts that prove it".
In the meantime: -NO new wall -NO tremendous new healthcare plan -NO increase in manufacturing -NO decrease in the deficit Wall is being built --had to circumvent some funding but it is being built I mention healthcare i'm at odds on this, don't need a new one just abolish the old one don't know where you are manufacturing is booming here in SC Deficit, you got me there then lets see where it will end of after his next term (there will be one, the dems only have ass clowns that can't touch him). As long as he has added 1 dollar less than obama i will call that a success I think that is fair, but only if you don't count the 2008 fiscal year, which ended in October of 2009. likewise, the deficit from 2016 which was through October 2017 should not count against Trump.
why? because it was not his budget. it was his predecessor's. it is not fair to handicap a president based on who he replaced.
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Post by ednkris on Dec 3, 2019 19:31:39 GMT -5
You are so convinced there is a cult following when in reality most people on the right think the left is cultist in their actions against trump. No one ever says he is perfect...he is actually obnoxious, loud mouth, arrogant. That is not why I voted for him although sometimes it is needed in certain situations. Voted for him basically to keep Hillary out after 8 years of leftism we needed a good conservative supreme court, we needed to roll back some of those corporate regulations. The country went too far left. The comic was cute i didn't get any emotional response to it one way or another it was all immaterial. I find that implausible.
so, the idea that George Washington had a set of dentures made from slaves didn't bug you? it bugged me, and I am not a huge fan of Washington at all. it bugged me because it challenges what I DO believe about Washington.
if the comic is correct, challenging the set beliefs of Trump voters is not the way forward. but if that is true, what is?
The dentures didn't bother me because i would suspect all sorts of vile things happened and since it was so long ago i won't let it get to me emotionally as far as the challanging the set beliefs of Trump voters is the way forward i have to ask Why?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2019 19:35:38 GMT -5
] That is about what i would expect, I mean come on do they even matter maybe Germany. As far as i'm concerned the UN is a bullshit the world should basically be looked over by 5 key countries USA, Germany, Japan, China, Russia that is about it. only Russia rates the US higher under Trump than Obama, as an earlier poster correctly pointed out (although he came close in the Phillipines and Nigeria). I am not sure how surveying people in the US feel about the US is worthwhile, but it might be interesting, if you can find the data.
nevertheless, 40% is a failing grade (if you count the US) in any class I have ever taken.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2019 19:37:18 GMT -5
A typical compassionate conservative response to all the death that would occur if you had your way. Ignore it if you want but the facts prove it. Pro-death. What a guy! There was nothing wrong with the health system before ACA. if you needed care hospitals would not turn you away. other than the outrageous cost, I agree.
do you think it is OK for us to pay 2x the cost of any other nation for service that is no better, and in some cases worse?
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