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Post by billisonboard on Nov 27, 2019 0:26:08 GMT -5
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Post by dondub on Nov 27, 2019 1:23:13 GMT -5
The only drug cartel that was terrorist were the cocaine trafficking Contras, also known as ‘freedom fighters’, in a country that had a democratically elected president.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 27, 2019 8:17:41 GMT -5
This is going to be great!
Watching the Left side of this board defend, praise the Drug Cartels, that is responsible for thousands of drug deaths, either from the drugs, or from Cartel Drug enforcement. For no other reason than Trump proposed to call them terrorist!. Trump Derangement Syndrome
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 27, 2019 8:21:17 GMT -5
All I know is that they control the avocado supply, so I am vested here. We should do the right thing. But avocados!
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 27, 2019 9:01:29 GMT -5
Hmmmm, Didn't San Fransisco declare the NRA a terrorist organization ??
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 27, 2019 9:48:39 GMT -5
This is going to be great!
Watching the Left side of this board defend, praise the Drug Cartels, that is responsible for thousands of drug deaths, either from the drugs, or from Cartel Drug enforcement. For no other reason than Trump proposed to call them terrorist!. Trump Derangement Syndrome
Hmmmm, Didn't San Fransisco declare the NRA a terrorist organization ?? I have a long history of commenting on the issue of the misuse of "terror", "terrorist" and "terrorism". If we declare everything and everyone those, than those designations become meaningless. Drug cartels are criminal enterprises. Naming them as such and supporting the use of law enforcement assets against them is not defending nor praising them.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 27, 2019 10:16:31 GMT -5
What is the definition of terrorist? I have always assumed it is a group that uses violence to get political and societal change. Under that definition, neither the drug cartels nor the NRA qualify. Some of the mass shootings do.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 27, 2019 10:24:41 GMT -5
What is the definition of terrorist? I have always assumed it is a group that uses violence to get political and societal change. Under that definition, neither the drug cartels nor the NRA qualify. Some of the mass shootings do. Terrorism is a strategy employed to create in the general population a reaction induced by fear (terror) to effect a desired policy change.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 27, 2019 10:30:10 GMT -5
Terrorism is a strategy employed to create in the general population a reaction induced by fear (terror) to effect a desired policy change.
You mean like threat one sided threat of impeachment? Sorry bills, could not resist.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 27, 2019 11:06:06 GMT -5
Terrorism is a strategy employed to create in the general population a reaction induced by fear (terror) to effect a desired policy change.
You mean like threat one sided threat of impeachment? Sorry bills, could not resist.
You do realize equating impeachment hearings with 9/11 disrespects those who died that day. But, yeah, you can't resist. Nothing is terrorism if everything is terrorism.
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Post by dondub on Nov 27, 2019 11:40:44 GMT -5
This is going to be great!
Watching the Left side of this board defend, praise the Drug Cartels, that is responsible for thousands of drug deaths, either from the drugs, or from Cartel Drug enforcement. For no other reason than Trump proposed to call them terrorist!. Trump Derangement Syndrome
. Let us know when you find any.
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Post by ednkris on Nov 27, 2019 11:42:14 GMT -5
Trump should tweet the DNC is a terrorist organization then sit back and watch their heads imolode...lol
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 27, 2019 12:00:32 GMT -5
Trump should tweet the DNC is a terrorist organization then sit back and watch their heads imolode...lol Yes, that would be a good thing for The President of the United States to do.
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Post by dondub on Nov 27, 2019 12:02:39 GMT -5
Trump should tweet the DNC is a terrorist organization then sit back and watch their heads imolode...lol Yes, that would be a good thing for The President of the United States to do. . According to demented minions probably a good idea.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Nov 27, 2019 12:31:55 GMT -5
Difference between criminal and terrorist terrorist | criminal |. is that terrorist is a person, group, or organization that uses violent action, or the threat of violent action, to further political goals while criminal is a person who is guilty of a crime, notably breaking the law.
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Post by mroped on Nov 27, 2019 13:12:41 GMT -5
Drug Cartels are violent/criminal business enterprises. Terorrist organizations are violent/criminal religious or political entities.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 27, 2019 13:24:46 GMT -5
Drug Cartels are violent/criminal business enterprises. Terorrist organizations are violent/criminal religious or political entities. I think it is more accurate to reference organizations that use terror techniques, at least in part, as a tactic to achieve their political goals. It does make sense that the PTB have made those techniques criminal acts às they threaten their power.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 27, 2019 14:24:06 GMT -5
This is going to be great!
Watching the Left side of this board defend, praise the Drug Cartels, that is responsible for thousands of drug deaths, either from the drugs, or from Cartel Drug enforcement. For no other reason than Trump proposed to call them terrorist!. Trump Derangement Syndrome
Show me one poster praising the drug cartels. You lie almost as much as your hero does.
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Post by dondub on Nov 27, 2019 14:27:51 GMT -5
This is going to be great!
Watching the Left side of this board defend, praise the Drug Cartels, that is responsible for thousands of drug deaths, either from the drugs, or from Cartel Drug enforcement. For no other reason than Trump proposed to call them terrorist!. Trump Derangement Syndrome
Show me one poster praising the drug cartels. You lie almost as much as your hero does. He has Trump Derangement Syndrome so cant help himself.
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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 27, 2019 14:52:44 GMT -5
What is accomplished by calling them terrorists?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 27, 2019 15:06:07 GMT -5
What is accomplished by calling them terrorists? It is not "calling them" that, it is "designating them" that which matters. The US will legally designate Mexican drug cartels as terrorist groups, President Donald Trump says.
The move would enable a wider scope of US action ... link[/a Congress had granted wide latitude to the President to fight terrorism. This is basically a power grab.
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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 27, 2019 15:09:42 GMT -5
What is accomplished by calling them terrorists? It is not "calling them" that, it is "designating them" that which matters. The US will legally designate Mexican drug cartels as terrorist groups, President Donald Trump says.
The move would enable a wider scope of US action ... link[/a Congress had granted wide latitude to the President to fight terrorism. This is basically a power grab. What more latitude would they need? And why would it bother us?
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 27, 2019 15:15:05 GMT -5
What is accomplished by calling them terrorists? I suppose that Trump could then ban everyone coming from a "terrorist country". No more Mexicans in the USA!
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 27, 2019 15:26:47 GMT -5
It is not "calling them" that, it is "designating them" that which matters. The US will legally designate Mexican drug cartels as terrorist groups, President Donald Trump says.
The move would enable a wider scope of US action ... link[/a Congress had granted wide latitude to the President to fight terrorism. This is basically a power grab. What more latitude would they need? And why would it bother us? Both President Obama and Trump have launched drone strikes against terrorist targets in other sovereign countries without authorization from their governments. If unchecked use of American military force anywhere in the world by the President of the United States doesn't bother you, this shouldn't bother you.
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Post by laterbloomer on Nov 27, 2019 16:14:45 GMT -5
What more latitude would they need? And why would it bother us? Both President Obama and Trump have launched drone strikes against terrorist targets in other sovereign countries without authorization from their governments. If unchecked use of American military force anywhere in the world by the President of the United States doesn't bother you, this shouldn't bother you. It's a real question. Are you saying Trump can launch drone strikes on drug cartels if they are designated terrirists but not if they are criminal drug runners?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 27, 2019 16:19:38 GMT -5
Both President Obama and Trump have launched drone strikes against terrorist targets in other sovereign countries without authorization from their governments. If unchecked use of American military force anywhere in the world by the President of the United States doesn't bother you, this shouldn't bother you. It's a real question. Are you saying Trump can launch drone strikes on drug cartels if they are designated terrirists but not if they are criminal drug runners? While I am not a legal expert, I have read enough to feel confident saying he could.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 27, 2019 16:57:45 GMT -5
This is going to be great!
Watching the Left side of this board defend, praise the Drug Cartels, that is responsible for thousands of drug deaths, either from the drugs, or from Cartel Drug enforcement. For no other reason than Trump proposed to call them terrorist!. Trump Derangement Syndrome
Show me one poster praising the drug cartels. You lie almost as much as your hero does. I guess he ran away, rather than putting his money where his mouth is.....
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 27, 2019 18:40:57 GMT -5
Both President Obama and Trump have launched drone strikes against terrorist targets in other sovereign countries without authorization from their governments. If unchecked use of American military force anywhere in the world by the President of the United States doesn't bother you, this shouldn't bother you. It's a real question. Are you saying Trump can launch drone strikes on drug cartels if they are designated terrirists but not if they are criminal drug runners? So this was just published: Trump Floating Terrorist Label For Mexican Cartels Brings Fears Of Drone Strikes
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 27, 2019 19:03:02 GMT -5
And of course innocents will die during those drone strikes.
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Post by mroped on Nov 27, 2019 19:20:59 GMT -5
It’s not just about drone strikes against terrorist organizations but there are the assets and funds seizing. It can be done against criminal organizations too but the necessary burden of proof against terrorist organizations seems to be at a lower requirement. Or so it looks to me! I might be wrong!
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