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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 8:59:04 GMT -5
Just noting on who wants the which limitations and where. If they used their brains for anything beside kneejerk reaction, it should be the Repubs that would clamor to get the man to shut up. This starts to look like a court case where a defense lawyer says "the police dug up the entire backyard of the defendant 3ft deep and haven't been able to find the murder weapon" and then the defendant gets up and shouts "yeah, thise lazy bums will never find the weapon. I put it six foot under". And that, is the level of control the man on the golden throne is displaying with his stupid tweets... Nice rant. Does it have anything to do with the ongoing point of amendment rights limitations between DJ and me.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 17, 2019 10:29:30 GMT -5
Yea, kinda disheartening when all you have ever done is work for the government, realize that in the real world,, you won't be able to get a job. Non partisan, You mean like PeterStrzok, Lisa Page!! Like their political views would never effect their job! She was re-assigned, NOT fired, and she's also working as a university professor.
Because she's had an exemplary career.
This is also why she got a standing ovation - from both the dems and the GOP members of the House - after she finished 5 hours of testimony.
I've explained this to you in the past, but it didn't stick. I'll try one more time - government employees are allowed to express partisan comments in private (or in emails to friends) but they are required to work in a nonpartisian manner - they must work in the best interest of Americans (All Americans). Pretty much all the people testifying at this hearing have worked for the state department for decades, for both GOP and Dem presidents. Past presidents did not demand that 100% of the federal government employees quit so he could hire people who would toady to him and push forward his illegal agenda.
The problem is they don't work in a nonpartisan way, And they version of "Best interest of Americans, may not be in the best interest of Americans.
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Post by dezii on Nov 17, 2019 12:45:53 GMT -5
She was re-assigned, NOT fired, and she's also working as a university professor.
Because she's had an exemplary career.
This is also why she got a standing ovation - from both the dems and the GOP members of the House - after she finished 5 hours of testimony.
I've explained this to you in the past, but it didn't stick. I'll try one more time - government employees are allowed to express partisan comments in private (or in emails to friends) but they are required to work in a nonpartisian manner - they must work in the best interest of Americans (All Americans). Pretty much all the people testifying at this hearing have worked for the state department for decades, for both GOP and Dem presidents. Past presidents did not demand that 100% of the federal government employees quit so he could hire people who would toady to him and push forward his illegal agenda.
The problem is they don't work in a nonpartisan way, And they version of "Best interest of Americans, may not be in the best interest of Americans. " don't work in a nonpartisan way,"interesting...your opinion or fact? Got a link?
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 17, 2019 13:30:32 GMT -5
She was re-assigned, NOT fired, and she's also working as a university professor.
Because she's had an exemplary career.
This is also why she got a standing ovation - from both the dems and the GOP members of the House - after she finished 5 hours of testimony.
I've explained this to you in the past, but it didn't stick. I'll try one more time - government employees are allowed to express partisan comments in private (or in emails to friends) but they are required to work in a nonpartisian manner - they must work in the best interest of Americans (All Americans). Pretty much all the people testifying at this hearing have worked for the state department for decades, for both GOP and Dem presidents. Past presidents did not demand that 100% of the federal government employees quit so he could hire people who would toady to him and push forward his illegal agenda.
The problem is they don't work in a nonpartisan way, And they version of "Best interest of Americans, may not be in the best interest of Americans. You just not getting it.
You seem to think that all government employees are at the beck an call of the president, and if they fail to fall in line with his schemes, they're being partisian. The exact opposite is true. If the ambassador had jumped on the bandwagon when Giuliani and Perry came around trying to get her to help them bribe the Ukrainian president to go on CNN and announce he had started an investigation against the Bidens in an effort to derail the 2020 election, she would have been acting in an illegal, unconstitutional and pro-Trump way - and that's WRONG.
She remained unpartisan, and she got smeared and removed from office for failing to be partisan.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 17, 2019 18:29:53 GMT -5
The problem is they don't work in a nonpartisan way, And they version of "Best interest of Americans, may not be in the best interest of Americans. You just not getting it.
You seem to think that all government employees are at the beck an call of the president, and if they fail to fall in line with his schemes, they're being partisian. The exact opposite is true. If the ambassador had jumped on the bandwagon when Giuliani and Perry came around trying to get her to help them bribe the Ukrainian president to go on CNN and announce he had started an investigation against the Bidens in an effort to derail the 2020 election, she would have been acting in an illegal, unconstitutional and pro-Trump way - and that's WRONG.
She remained unpartisan, and she got smeared and removed from office for failing to be partisan.
Actually I probably get real well. Non partisan, You mean like Peter Strzok, Lisa Page!!
Are you going to tell me that these two, did their jobs in a non partisan way?? You need to remember that O.C. feels we could cut out a huge amount of Government employees and not see any difference in how the country runs.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 17, 2019 18:34:08 GMT -5
You just not getting it.
You seem to think that all government employees are at the beck an call of the president, and if they fail to fall in line with his schemes, they're being partisian. The exact opposite is true. If the ambassador had jumped on the bandwagon when Giuliani and Perry came around trying to get her to help them bribe the Ukrainian president to go on CNN and announce he had started an investigation against the Bidens in an effort to derail the 2020 election, she would have been acting in an illegal, unconstitutional and pro-Trump way - and that's WRONG.
She remained unpartisan, and she got smeared and removed from office for failing to be partisan.
Actually I probably get real well. Non partisan, You mean like Peter Strzok, Lisa Page!!
Are you going to tell me that these two, did their jobs in a non partisan way?? [/b][/div] You need to remember that O.C. feels we could cut out a huge amount of Government employees and not see any difference in how the country runs.
[/quote] Do you have legitmate, nonpartisan,supporting documentation to support that claim?
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 17, 2019 18:51:05 GMT -5
No problem, all you need to do is go to the permit section of the city or county, See the number of people standing sitting around, doing nothing that is if they have not taken a personal day off. Then wonder why your plan have been over one and half years still not done!. Or air quality that I deal with all the time, that don't have a clue, about what they are doing. One man working ten standing around. Remember I worked for the State, All the petty power plays everywhere, Some was always trying to screw some one over in one dept. or another.
Now you have me started.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 17, 2019 19:40:45 GMT -5
Actually I probably get real well. Non partisan, You mean like Peter Strzok, Lisa Page!!
Are you going to tell me that these two, did their jobs in a non partisan way?? [/b][/div] You need to remember that O.C. feels we could cut out a huge amount of Government employees and not see any difference in how the country runs.
[/quote] Do you have legitmate, nonpartisan,supporting documentation to support that claim? [/quote][/div] Tell you what Tenn, All of you that think your Government is the most wonderful thing, and the people in it and run it!! America ReFramed 100 Years: One Woman's Fight for Justice #604 Sunday, November 17, 05:00 pm on 8.3
Duration: 1:26:42
Description: Elouise Cobell is a little known hero whose relentless pursuit of justice led her to find remedy for over half a million American Indian account holders whose funds were held by the U.S. government in trust for a century. An advocate for Native American financial self-determination and independence, she initiated new ways of viewing tribal trust funds and their management. In 1996, she led a lawsuit against the U.S. government for failing to pass on to individual American Indian landowners monies they had earned under oil, timber and mineral leases. "100 YEARS" is the compelling story of Elouise Cobell, a petite Blackfeet warrior from Montana, the great granddaughter of the legendary, Mountain Chief, and how she prevailed. I can not tell when it is going to be on where you are at, You need to watch it!.. It is an absolute disgrace, what you government has done to these people! I am giving Obama great credit here ,,, He did a great thing!! Talk about people that should be in Jail!!
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 17, 2019 20:06:34 GMT -5
[/b][/div] You need to remember that O.C. feels we could cut out a huge amount of Government employees and not see any difference in how the country runs.
[/quote] Do you have legitmate, nonpartisan,supporting documentation to support that claim? [/quote][/div] Tell you what Tenn, All of you that think your Government is the most wonderful thing, and the people in it and run it!! America ReFramed 100 Years: One Woman's Fight for Justice #604 Sunday, November 17, 05:00 pm on 8.3
Duration: 1:26:42
Description: Elouise Cobell is a little known hero whose relentless pursuit of justice led her to find remedy for over half a million American Indian account holders whose funds were held by the U.S. government in trust for a century. An advocate for Native American financial self-determination and independence, she initiated new ways of viewing tribal trust funds and their management. In 1996, she led a lawsuit against the U.S. government for failing to pass on to individual American Indian landowners monies they had earned under oil, timber and mineral leases. "100 YEARS" is the compelling story of Elouise Cobell, a petite Blackfeet warrior from Montana, the great granddaughter of the legendary, Mountain Chief, and how she prevailed. I can not tell when it is going to be on where you are at, You need to watch it!.. It is an absolute disgrace, what you government has done to these people! I am giving Obama great credit here ,,, He did a great thing!! Talk about people that should be in Jail!!
[/quote] The above has what to do with Peter Strzok and Lisa Page?
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 17, 2019 21:46:41 GMT -5
Here Tenn, You need to remember that O.C. feels we could cut out a huge amount of Government employees and not see any difference in how the country runs.
[/quote] Do you have legitmate, nonpartisan,supporting documentation to support that claim? [/quote][/div] Tell you what Tenn, All of you that think your Government is the most wonderful thing, and the people in it and run it!!
America ReFramed 100 Years: One Woman's Fight for Justice #604 Sunday, November 17, 05:00 pm on 8.3
Duration: 1:26:42
Description: Elouise Cobell is a little known hero whose relentless pursuit of justice led her to find remedy for over half a million American Indian account holders whose funds were held by the U.S. government in trust for a century. An advocate for Native American financial self-determination and independence, she initiated new ways of viewing tribal trust funds and their management. In 1996, she led a lawsuit against the U.S. government for failing to pass on to individual American Indian landowners monies they had earned under oil, timber and mineral leases. "100 YEARS" is the compelling story of Elouise Cobell, a petite Blackfeet warrior from Montana, the great granddaughter of the legendary, Mountain Chief, and how she prevailed.
I can not tell when it is going to be on where you are at, You need to watch it!..
It is an absolute disgrace, what you government has done to these people!
I am giving Obama great credit here ,,, He did a great thing!!
Talk about people that should be in Jail!![/div]
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Post by dezii on Nov 18, 2019 10:49:48 GMT -5
Here Tenn, You need to remember that O.C. feels we could cut out a huge amount of Government employees and not see any difference in how the country runs.
Do you have legitmate, nonpartisan,supporting documentation to support that claim? [/quote][/div] Tell you what Tenn, All of you that think your Government is the most wonderful thing, and the people in it and run it!!
America ReFramed 100 Years: One Woman's Fight for Justice #604 Sunday, November 17, 05:00 pm on 8.3
Duration: 1:26:42
Description: Elouise Cobell is a little known hero whose relentless pursuit of justice led her to find remedy for over half a million American Indian account holders whose funds were held by the U.S. government in trust for a century. An advocate for Native American financial self-determination and independence, she initiated new ways of viewing tribal trust funds and their management. In 1996, she led a lawsuit against the U.S. government for failing to pass on to individual American Indian landowners monies they had earned under oil, timber and mineral leases. "100 YEARS" is the compelling story of Elouise Cobell, a petite Blackfeet warrior from Montana, the great granddaughter of the legendary, Mountain Chief, and how she prevailed.
I can not tell when it is going to be on where you are at, You need to watch it!..
It is an absolute disgrace, what you government has done to these people!
I am giving Obama great credit here ,,, He did a great thing!!
Talk about people that should be in Jail!![/div]
[/quote] Whats with all the Bold...? Just wondering....angry at someone, upset Tummy....? Possible the following...the Donald being up set with Fox...…? ---------------------------------- www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tears-nasty-obnoxious-fox-212229001.html
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 18, 2019 11:08:21 GMT -5
The bold was only to high lite the story. It does not matter, Because I suggested all of you to watch it, you won't mostly because I posted it. Which is really funny, Cause this is right up your ally, The BIG MAN oppressing the poor people,, And in this case, really poor minorities!
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 18, 2019 11:13:30 GMT -5
Oh, by the way, The is a nice part in there that shows your HERO John McCain ( Cause he was a thorn in Trump's ass) screwing the poor, really poor, people over. On the other hand Obama really did a great thing!!
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 18, 2019 11:32:13 GMT -5
The bold was only to high lite the story. It does not matter, Because I suggested all of you to watch it, you won't mostly because I posted it. Which is really funny, Cause this is right up your ally, The BIG MAN oppressing the poor people,, And in this case, really poor minorities! I actually looked to see when it was on and its not scheduled anytime soon in my area. Kudos though to the woman for at least getting a few billion dollars back to her people.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 18, 2019 11:35:52 GMT -5
Yes, OC, Institutionalized racism and oppression is alive and well. John McCain has done a bunch of shit I don't agree with, as has every other politician. What's your point?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 18, 2019 12:12:48 GMT -5
Yes, OC, ... What's your point? ![](https://compote.slate.com/images/daa8e7d2-7a63-4c48-80b8-57b98e3be321.jpg) Avoiding Trump and witness intimidation.
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Post by dezii on Nov 18, 2019 12:44:13 GMT -5
Oh, by the way, The is a nice part in there that shows your HERO John McCain ( Cause he was a thorn in Trump's ass) screwing the poor, really poor, people over. On the other hand Obama really did a great thing!! First thing is I never big supporter of McCain's policies but respected him as a honest independent politician, even giving thought to Lieberman as a running mate and definitely respected his time as a POW and turning down early release over longer served POW's...unlike our "bone spur" warrior...I give him highest marks on that As far as his policies...don't forget, I am a card carrying leftist..Kennedy {Ted, Bobby, John} supporter...but respected when necessary both those guys would cross the aisle to try and work out the log jam..sometimes actually successful...other times..eehhh...but they tried. Not sure what link u wanted me to read...please repost here..I promise to read and comment.
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Post by hurley1980 on Nov 18, 2019 13:56:16 GMT -5
Trump supporters are starting to remind me of domestic violence victims who keep defending their abuser. I know, because I've been there. They just cannot admit they made a mistake in judgment, so they will double and triple down, and keep defending their abuser rather than admit they were wrong.
I defended my ex husband for years when I was being abused, because I was too embarrassed to admit I was a fool that fell for his lies and manipulations.....
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 18, 2019 14:12:31 GMT -5
Trump supporters are starting to remind me of domestic violence victims who keep defending their abuser. I know, because I've been there. They just cannot admit they made a mistake in judgment, so they will double and triple down, and keep defending their abuser rather than admit they were wrong.
I defended my ex husband for years when I was being abused, because I was too embarrassed to admit I was a fool that fell for his lies and manipulations..... You weren't a fool. You were hopeful he was capable of change. Just like the Trumpettes are waiting for the glorious cheap and wonderful health care and The Wall.
At some point, though, you have to admit things were never going to be how they were promised to be and move on, before everything goes to hell.
Congratulations for getting to that point. Sadly some people never do.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 18, 2019 14:33:00 GMT -5
Trump supporters are starting to remind me of domestic violence victims who keep defending their abuser. I know, because I've been there. They just cannot admit they made a mistake in judgment, so they will double and triple down, and keep defending their abuser rather than admit they were wrong.
I defended my ex husband for years when I was being abused, because I was too embarrassed to admit I was a fool that fell for his lies and manipulations..... You weren't a fool. You were hopeful he was capable of change. Just like the Trumpettes are waiting for the glorious cheap and wonderful health care and The Wall.
At some point, though, you have to admit things were never going to be how they were promised to be and move on, before everything goes to hell.
Congratulations for getting to that point. Sadly some people never do.
I think it is time for a 70 million vote intervention. or 70 senators. whichever comes first.
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Post by kadee79 on Nov 18, 2019 14:53:32 GMT -5
Trump supporters are starting to remind me of domestic violence victims who keep defending their abuser. I know, because I've been there. They just cannot admit they made a mistake in judgment, so they will double and triple down, and keep defending their abuser rather than admit they were wrong.
I defended my ex husband for years when I was being abused, because I was too embarrassed to admit I was a fool that fell for his lies and manipulations.....
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 18, 2019 21:55:39 GMT -5
Yes, OC, ... What's your point? ![](https://compote.slate.com/images/daa8e7d2-7a63-4c48-80b8-57b98e3be321.jpg) Avoiding Trump and witness intimidation. That doesn't look like a coyote!
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 18, 2019 21:59:20 GMT -5
Oh, by the way, The is a nice part in there that shows your HERO John McCain ( Cause he was a thorn in Trump's ass) screwing the poor, really poor, people over. On the other hand Obama really did a great thing!! First thing is I never big supporter of McCain's policies but respected him as a honest independent politician, even giving thought to Lieberman as a running mate and definitely respected his time as a POW and turning down early release over longer served POW's...unlike our "bone spur" warrior...I give him highest marks on that As far as his policies...don't forget, I am a card carrying leftist..Kennedy {Ted, Bobby, John} supporter...but respected when necessary both those guys would cross the aisle to try and work out the log jam..sometimes actually successful...other times..eehhh...but they tried. Not sure what link u wanted me to read...please repost here..I promise to read and comment. Hope you sitting down, I was a John and Robert Kennedy supporter!
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Post by dezii on Nov 19, 2019 4:03:55 GMT -5
First thing is I never big supporter of McCain's policies but respected him as a honest independent politician, even giving thought to Lieberman as a running mate and definitely respected his time as a POW and turning down early release over longer served POW's...unlike our "bone spur" warrior...I give him highest marks on that As far as his policies...don't forget, I am a card carrying leftist..Kennedy {Ted, Bobby, John} supporter...but respected when necessary both those guys would cross the aisle to try and work out the log jam..sometimes actually successful...other times..eehhh...but they tried. Not sure what link u wanted me to read...please repost here..I promise to read and comment. Hope you sitting down, I was a John and Robert Kennedy supporter! I am and still wonder "what if" with Bobby...actually John too and feel Teddy accomplished a lot more as a Senator then he would have as President...plus he wasn't , IMHO , yet ready for the big job.
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US Army prepared to move Vindman to secure location: reportThe U.S. Army is ready to move Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman and his family to a secure location on a military base if they are found to be in danger due to his testimony in the House impeachment inquiry into President Trump, U.S. officials told The Wall Street Journal. Vindman reportedly requested a security assessment to analyze his and his family’s physical and online security, which was completed in recent weeks, according to the Journal. The Journal reported that Army security officials have been tracking Vindman and his family at all times to ensure there are not imminent threats against them. “The Army will make sure he’s safe, and the Army is actively supporting any safety needs as deemed necessary,” an official told the Journal. “It’s hard that he has been catapulted into the public eye. He served his country honorably for 20 years, and you can imagine this is a tough situation for him and his family.” The Hill has reached out to the U.S. Army for comment. Vindman, the top Ukraine expert on the White House National Security Council, is testifying before the House Intelligence Committee on Tuesday as part of the impeachment inquiry. Article here: US Army prepared to move Vindman to secure location: report
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Post by Bob Ross on Nov 19, 2019 11:37:17 GMT -5
First thing is I never big supporter of McCain's policies but respected him as a honest independent politician, even giving thought to Lieberman as a running mate and definitely respected his time as a POW and turning down early release over longer served POW's...unlike our "bone spur" warrior...I give him highest marks on that As far as his policies...don't forget, I am a card carrying leftist..Kennedy {Ted, Bobby, John} supporter...but respected when necessary both those guys would cross the aisle to try and work out the log jam..sometimes actually successful...other times..eehhh...but they tried. Not sure what link u wanted me to read...please repost here..I promise to read and comment. Hope you sitting down, I was a John and Robert Kennedy supporter! No surprise. Seems to follow a common trend as people age. Question: about what age will I wake up "Alt"? Asking because I want something to look forward to.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 19, 2019 11:37:18 GMT -5
US Army prepared to move Vindman to secure location: reportThe U.S. Army is ready to move Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman and his family to a secure location on a military base if they are found to be in danger due to his testimony in the House impeachment inquiry into President Trump, U.S. officials told The Wall Street Journal. Vindman reportedly requested a security assessment to analyze his and his family’s physical and online security, which was completed in recent weeks, according to the Journal. The Journal reported that Army security officials have been tracking Vindman and his family at all times to ensure there are not imminent threats against them. “The Army will make sure he’s safe, and the Army is actively supporting any safety needs as deemed necessary,” an official told the Journal. “It’s hard that he has been catapulted into the public eye. He served his country honorably for 20 years, and you can imagine this is a tough situation for him and his family.” The Hill has reached out to the U.S. Army for comment. Vindman, the top Ukraine expert on the White House National Security Council, is testifying before the House Intelligence Committee on Tuesday as part of the impeachment inquiry. Article here: US Army prepared to move Vindman to secure location: report anyone who says anything bad about Trump has much to fear from his cultists.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 19, 2019 11:53:25 GMT -5
First thing is I never big supporter of McCain's policies but respected him as a honest independent politician, even giving thought to Lieberman as a running mate and definitely respected his time as a POW and turning down early release over longer served POW's...unlike our "bone spur" warrior...I give him highest marks on that As far as his policies...don't forget, I am a card carrying leftist..Kennedy {Ted, Bobby, John} supporter...but respected when necessary both those guys would cross the aisle to try and work out the log jam..sometimes actually successful...other times..eehhh...but they tried. Not sure what link u wanted me to read...please repost here..I promise to read and comment. Hope you sitting down, I was a John and Robert Kennedy supporter! When did your heart turn to ice?
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 19, 2019 11:58:32 GMT -5
First thing is I never big supporter of McCain's policies but respected him as a honest independent politician, even giving thought to Lieberman as a running mate and definitely respected his time as a POW and turning down early release over longer served POW's...unlike our "bone spur" warrior...I give him highest marks on that As far as his policies...don't forget, I am a card carrying leftist..Kennedy {Ted, Bobby, John} supporter...but respected when necessary both those guys would cross the aisle to try and work out the log jam..sometimes actually successful...other times..eehhh...but they tried. Not sure what link u wanted me to read...please repost here..I promise to read and comment. Hope you sitting down, I was a John and Robert Kennedy supporter! hope you are sitting down, but I never had anything good to say about either of them.
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Post by dezii on Nov 19, 2019 13:58:55 GMT -5
Hope you sitting down, I was a John and Robert Kennedy supporter! hope you are sitting down, but I never had anything good to say about either of them. Your mistake...your loss.....
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