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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 4, 2019 0:28:23 GMT -5
I'm nervous about the Shingrix vaccine because I had a reaction to the previous shingles vaccine and was sick and on antibiotics for two weeks. Yes, my doctor recommended it a year ago and I haven't done a thing about getting it. I didn't have that bad a reaction...thank goodness. I had a red arm from shoulder to elbow that itched like crazy for my 2 weeks. Now I'm really going to have to physic myself. My pharmacist warned me that I'd likely have a reaction since I'd had such a bad case of chicken pox. I would dose myself up good with benedryl before the next vaccine if I were you...
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Nov 4, 2019 8:20:53 GMT -5
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Post by trippypea on Nov 5, 2019 10:17:49 GMT -5
This is no different than the woman who went to the store, opened up ice cream containers, licked them, and put them back in. And she can get up to 20 years. Why anyone would think it is ok for you to open a piece of candy, cough on it or lick it, wrap it back up, and give it to unsuspecting children is nuts.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 5, 2019 10:26:12 GMT -5
Never underestimate the power of someone's beliefs, especially when they are reinforced in the echo chamber that is the internet and we have public officials going so far as to say that their "opinions/beliefs" are equally valid to 25+ years of scientific research.
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Never underestimate the power of someone's beliefs, especially when they are reinforced in the echo chamber that is the internet and we have public officials going so far as to say that their "opinions/beliefs" are equally valid to 25+ years of scientific research. Let me preface my comment with the fact that I am 100% against the anti-vax movement. I think they are a bunch of bumbling idiots who are putting us at great risk. Having said that, it doesn't help when the science community keeps flip-flopping on their stances. Butter is bad and margarine is healthy...wait, margarine is bad and butter is healthy. Eggs are bad for you...wait, eggs are good for you. If you are a man that thinks he is a woman you have a mental condition...wait, you are actually a woman and need to be treated as such. I can kind of understand why those that are already a little off-their-rockers put little credence into the "latest" science.
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Post by hoops902 on Nov 5, 2019 13:28:32 GMT -5
Never underestimate the power of someone's beliefs, especially when they are reinforced in the echo chamber that is the internet and we have public officials going so far as to say that their "opinions/beliefs" are equally valid to 25+ years of scientific research. Let me preface my comment with the fact that I am 100% against the anti-vax movement. I think they are a bunch of bumbling idiots who are putting us at great risk. Having said that, it doesn't help when the science community keeps flip-flopping on their stances. Butter is bad and margarine is healthy...wait, margarine is bad and butter is healthy. Eggs are bad for you...wait, eggs are good for you. If you are a man that thinks he is a woman you have a mental condition...wait, you are actually a woman and need to be treated as such. I can kind of understand why those that are already a little off-their-rockers put little credence into the "latest" science. I understand a lot more of the "don't trust the government" and "science is always changing" stuff...what I don't particularly get is that the anti-vaxxers seem to rely on "science" as their reasoning, and then inevitably seem to link to some study which directly refutes their claims. I'd be more inclined to think "oh, I see how you got there" if I thought the logic of it made sense (even if I didn't believe it, but at least the logical leaps were in a respectable order). Or if they were talking about new vaccines...(I can kind of view it similar to juuling...it's "safer" than cigarettes...we don't have a lot of data on what 40 years of juuling does to a person though)...but we have a LOT of information on some of these vaccines over multiple DECADES. I tend to equate it a lot to flat earthers. You're just choosing to believe it because you want to believe it, it's hard to point to anything other than "i say so" as a real argument for it.
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Let me preface my comment with the fact that I am 100% against the anti-vax movement. I think they are a bunch of bumbling idiots who are putting us at great risk. Having said that, it doesn't help when the science community keeps flip-flopping on their stances. Butter is bad and margarine is healthy...wait, margarine is bad and butter is healthy. Eggs are bad for you...wait, eggs are good for you. If you are a man that thinks he is a woman you have a mental condition...wait, you are actually a woman and need to be treated as such. I can kind of understand why those that are already a little off-their-rockers put little credence into the "latest" science. I understand a lot more of the "don't trust the government" and "science is always changing" stuff...what I don't particularly get is that the anti-vaxxers seem to rely on "science" as their reasoning, and then inevitably seem to link to some study which directly refutes their claims. I'd be more inclined to think "oh, I see how you got there" if I thought the logic of it made sense (even if I didn't believe it, but at least the logical leaps were in a respectable order). Or if they were talking about new vaccines...(I can kind of view it similar to juuling...it's "safer" than cigarettes...we don't have a lot of data on what 40 years of juuling does to a person though)...but we have a LOT of information on some of these vaccines over multiple DECADES. I tend to equate it a lot to flat earthers. You're just choosing to believe it because you want to believe it, it's hard to point to anything other than "i say so" as a real argument for it. Or when my mom was pregnant and the doctor told her it was safer to keep smoking so as not to stress the baby out. Many pictures of pregnant women smoking back then! Or that vaccines cause autism....and I know people personally affected by autism that believe this. In these cases, though, I think it is more a defense mechanism. it is easier to blame a vaccine than to think maybe your genetics caused an issue with your child. There are a lot of stupid people out there that have now been given voices.
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I understand a lot more of the "don't trust the government" and "science is always changing" stuff...what I don't particularly get is that the anti-vaxxers seem to rely on "science" as their reasoning, and then inevitably seem to link to some study which directly refutes their claims. I'd be more inclined to think "oh, I see how you got there" if I thought the logic of it made sense (even if I didn't believe it, but at least the logical leaps were in a respectable order). Or if they were talking about new vaccines...(I can kind of view it similar to juuling...it's "safer" than cigarettes...we don't have a lot of data on what 40 years of juuling does to a person though)...but we have a LOT of information on some of these vaccines over multiple DECADES. I tend to equate it a lot to flat earthers. You're just choosing to believe it because you want to believe it, it's hard to point to anything other than "i say so" as a real argument for it. Or when my mom was pregnant and the doctor told her it was safer to keep smoking so as not to stress the baby out. Many pictures of pregnant women smoking back then! Or that vaccines cause autism....and I know people personally affected by autism that believe this. In these cases, though, I think it is more a defense mechanism. it is easier to blame a vaccine than to think maybe your genetics caused an issue with your child. There are a lot of stupid people out there that have now been given voices. I can at least understand the logic of this. There was a spike in autism rates around the same time lots of these vaccines came into play. It's not causation, we just got a lot better at identifying things like autism and categorizing it correctly. So I can understand someone not very educated in some of that stuff seeing statistics and thinking "holy cow, look at that!". I have a harder time trying to figure out who is behind it to begin with trying to push those statistics, knowing full well the "why" of why it appears that way. I struggle to see the motivation of someone who knows enough to see that the statistics/science totally deny their claims, and still present it as proof of their claims. Usually the answer to that is "money"...but is there lots of money in anti-vax? Maybe there is and I just don't understand how it's that profitable for someone behind the scenes.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 5, 2019 13:57:50 GMT -5
Or when my mom was pregnant and the doctor told her it was safer to keep smoking so as not to stress the baby out. Many pictures of pregnant women smoking back then! Or that vaccines cause autism....and I know people personally affected by autism that believe this. In these cases, though, I think it is more a defense mechanism. it is easier to blame a vaccine than to think maybe your genetics caused an issue with your child. There are a lot of stupid people out there that have now been given voices. I can at least understand the logic of this. There was a spike in autism rates around the same time lots of these vaccines came into play. It's not causation, we just got a lot better at identifying things like autism and categorizing it correctly. So I can understand someone not very educated in some of that stuff seeing statistics and thinking "holy cow, look at that!". I have a harder time trying to figure out who is behind it to begin with trying to push those statistics, knowing full well the "why" of why it appears that way. I struggle to see the motivation of someone who knows enough to see that the statistics/science totally deny their claims, and still present it as proof of their claims. Usually the answer to that is "money"...but is there lots of money in anti-vax? Maybe there is and I just don't understand how it's that profitable for someone behind the scenes. A malicious, intentionally wrong study that said there was cause, by a guy who was putting a new, weaker vaccine on the market lead to a lot of the problem. Those idiots still quote that study.
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Let me preface my comment with the fact that I am 100% against the anti-vax movement. I think they are a bunch of bumbling idiots who are putting us at great risk. Having said that, it doesn't help when the science community keeps flip-flopping on their stances. Butter is bad and margarine is healthy...wait, margarine is bad and butter is healthy. Eggs are bad for you...wait, eggs are good for you. If you are a man that thinks he is a woman you have a mental condition...wait, you are actually a woman and need to be treated as such. I can kind of understand why those that are already a little off-their-rockers put little credence into the "latest" science. I understand a lot more of the "don't trust the government" and "science is always changing" stuff...what I don't particularly get is that the anti-vaxxers seem to rely on "science" as their reasoning, and then inevitably seem to link to some study which directly refutes their claims. I'd be more inclined to think "oh, I see how you got there" if I thought the logic of it made sense (even if I didn't believe it, but at least the logical leaps were in a respectable order). Or if they were talking about new vaccines...(I can kind of view it similar to juuling...it's "safer" than cigarettes...we don't have a lot of data on what 40 years of juuling does to a person though)...but we have a LOT of information on some of these vaccines over multiple DECADES. I tend to equate it a lot to flat earthers. You're just choosing to believe it because you want to believe it, it's hard to point to anything other than "i say so" as a real argument for it. Well, anyone who has a cat knows the earth isn’t flat.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 9, 2019 9:33:15 GMT -5
My reaction to the old shingles vaccine supposedly happens to less than 1% of people. Guess who got lucky? I've also had shingles and the reaction to the vaccine was worse than my case of shingles. I am not anti-vax at all but I do remember that last vaccine. I got the shingles vaccine yesterday. My arm hurts. My daughter asked me, and I don't know the answer, maybe someone here does...she had the chicken pox vaccine. Will she need the shingles vaccine too? Or do you only get shingles if you had the pox?
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 9, 2019 10:09:34 GMT -5
I think you can only get shingles if you've had chicken pox.
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Post by sesfw on Nov 9, 2019 10:24:39 GMT -5
Well, anyone who has a cat knows the earth isn’t flat.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 9, 2019 11:22:29 GMT -5
I had chicken pox. My understanding is the virus stays in your body and that's how you get shingles, but I am not a doctor.
I don't know if shingles is contagious.
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My reaction to the old shingles vaccine supposedly happens to less than 1% of people. Guess who got lucky? I've also had shingles and the reaction to the vaccine was worse than my case of shingles. I am not anti-vax at all but I do remember that last vaccine. I got the shingles vaccine yesterday. My arm hurts. My daughter asked me, and I don't know the answer, maybe someone here does...she had the chicken pox vaccine. Will she need the shingles vaccine too? Or do you only get shingles if you had the pox? Two-for-One: Chickenpox Vaccine Lowers Shingles Risk in ChildrenHealth organizations recommend children receive the varicella vaccine at one year old to protect them against chickenpox, but the vaccine appears to have another benefit: it cuts the risk of shingles, a painful and potentially debilitating rash caused by the reactivated chickenpox virus, by more than half in children over two years old, according to a new study. Approximately 38 per 100,000 children vaccinated against chickenpox developed shingles per year, compared with 170 per 100,000 unvaccinated children, researchers found. Furthermore, shingles infection rates were lower in children who received both recommended doses of the chickenpox vaccine compared with those who only got the first dose. linkIf you never were vaccinated for the chicken pox, and never had the chicken pox, you cannot get shingles. But if children now adults never received the chicken pox vaccine, they can contract the chicken pox as adults. In rare cases, those who received the chickenpox vaccine can and do contract shingles.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 9, 2019 13:08:39 GMT -5
Here's something interesting..... Measles wipe out your immune system's memory, leaving you open to a host of dangerous pathogens. Measles Wipes Your Immune System's 'Memory,' So It Can't Fight Other Infections The notorious measles virus not only makes people sick, it also sneaks inside important immune cells in the body and wipes their "memories," new research suggests. Once infected, the amnesic immune system no longer recognizes the harmful pathogens that it has fought off in the past. This means measles survivors can remain susceptible to dangerous diseases — such as the flu and pneumonia — for years to come, despite having weathered their initial illness. www.livescience.com/measles-wipes-immune-memory.html
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I got the shingles vaccine yesterday. My arm hurts. My daughter asked me, and I don't know the answer, maybe someone here does...she had the chicken pox vaccine. Will she need the shingles vaccine too? Or do you only get shingles if you had the pox? Two-for-One: Chickenpox Vaccine Lowers Shingles Risk in ChildrenHealth organizations recommend children receive the varicella vaccine at one year old to protect them against chickenpox, but the vaccine appears to have another benefit: it cuts the risk of shingles, a painful and potentially debilitating rash caused by the reactivated chickenpox virus, by more than half in children over two years old, according to a new study. Approximately 38 per 100,000 children vaccinated against chickenpox developed shingles per year, compared with 170 per 100,000 unvaccinated children, researchers found. Furthermore, shingles infection rates were lower in children who received both recommended doses of the chickenpox vaccine compared with those who only got the first dose. linkIf you never were vaccinated for the chicken pox, and never had the chicken pox, you cannot get shingles. But if children now adults never received the chicken pox vaccine, they can contract the chicken pox as adults. In rare cases, those who received the chickenpox vaccine can and do contract shingles. Good to hear. My niece got shingles in her 20's, unusual, but not unheard of. I didn't know if my daughter was vulnerable. It sounds freakin' miserable.
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I can understand someone not very educated in some of that stuff seeing statistics and thinking "holy cow, look at that!". I have a harder time trying to figure out who is behind it to begin with trying to push those statistics, knowing full well the "why" of why it appears that way. I struggle to see the motivation of someone who knows enough to see that the statistics/science totally deny their claims, and still present it as proof of their claims. Usually the answer to that is "money"...but is there lots of money in anti-vax? Maybe there is and I just don't understand how it's that profitable for someone behind the scenes. There is a lot of money for some people in anti-vax. I've got a number of people in my extended family who are anti-vaxxers, and when they post something on Facebook or send links in personal emails, it usually directs me to web sites of people who have legit-sounding master's, Ph.D.s or medical degrees of one type or another who have "personally" performed research that totally "debunks" the scientific evidence. The claim of those "researchers" is that eating a wholesome, natural diet and boosting your immune system naturally is the best way to stay healthy, and by the way, "click here to view our line of products to help naturally boost your immune system and stay healthy." And some of those same people have links to scientific studies supporting their position, with footnotes that sound great but link to nothing -- or worse, to an actual study that says the exact opposite. And if you look at the prices of the products they sell, you can see some people are making a ton of money on it. Some doctors have extremely profitable medical practices attracting patients from large geographic areas who flock to their doors in search of anti-vax validation -- and a note exempting their kids from getting vaccinated. Those same relatives of mine get the flu every winter. They are truly miserable (bedridden, congestion/cough, weakness, body aches, chills/fever) for 7 to 10 days. Yet they characterize it as a bad cold. They would never admit it is the flu.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 9, 2019 15:10:30 GMT -5
I can understand someone not very educated in some of that stuff seeing statistics and thinking "holy cow, look at that!". I have a harder time trying to figure out who is behind it to begin with trying to push those statistics, knowing full well the "why" of why it appears that way. I struggle to see the motivation of someone who knows enough to see that the statistics/science totally deny their claims, and still present it as proof of their claims. Usually the answer to that is "money"...but is there lots of money in anti-vax? Maybe there is and I just don't understand how it's that profitable for someone behind the scenes. There is a lot of money for some people in anti-vax. I've got a number of people in my extended family who are anti-vaxxers, and when they post something on Facebook or send links in personal emails, it usually directs me to web sites of people who have legit-sounding master's, Ph.D.s or medical degrees of one type or another who have "personally" performed research that totally "debunks" the scientific evidence. The claim of those "researchers" is that eating a wholesome, natural diet and boosting your immune system naturally is the best way to stay healthy, and by the way, "click here to view our line of products to help naturally boost your immune system and stay healthy." And some of those same people have links to scientific studies supporting their position, with footnotes that sound great but link to nothing -- or worse, to an actual study that says the exact opposite. And if you look at the prices of the products they sell, you can see some people are making a ton of money on it. Some doctors have extremely profitable medical practices attracting patients from large geographic areas who flock to their doors in search of anti-vax validation -- and a note exempting their kids from getting vaccinated. Those same relatives of mine get the flu every winter. They are truly miserable (bedridden, congestion/cough, weakness, body aches, chills/fever) for 7 to 10 days. Yet they characterize it as a bad cold. They would never admit it is the flu. The supplement industry is terrible. They are printing money, but have no regulations or oversights. Most of that shit is modern day snake oil. I've decided to only follow medical advice that has substantial double blind, peer reviewed studies. Some of it may be effective, but none of them have any proof other than stupid Nicky saying that she feels so much better. She also believes in numerology and ghosts.
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Two-for-One: Chickenpox Vaccine Lowers Shingles Risk in ChildrenHealth organizations recommend children receive the varicella vaccine at one year old to protect them against chickenpox, but the vaccine appears to have another benefit: it cuts the risk of shingles, a painful and potentially debilitating rash caused by the reactivated chickenpox virus, by more than half in children over two years old, according to a new study. Approximately 38 per 100,000 children vaccinated against chickenpox developed shingles per year, compared with 170 per 100,000 unvaccinated children, researchers found. Furthermore, shingles infection rates were lower in children who received both recommended doses of the chickenpox vaccine compared with those who only got the first dose. linkIf you never were vaccinated for the chicken pox, and never had the chicken pox, you cannot get shingles. But if children now adults never received the chicken pox vaccine, they can contract the chicken pox as adults. In rare cases, those who received the chickenpox vaccine can and do contract shingles. Good to hear. My niece got shingles in her 20's, unusual, but not unheard of. I didn't know if my daughter was vulnerable. It sounds freakin' miserable. I had a small case of shingles in my mid-forties. I was under a lot of work stress completing a special assignment before I was to catch a plane up north for Thanksgiving and an extended weekend. Completed the special assignment the day of my mid-afternoon flight. My reward was a bout of shingles.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 9, 2019 17:21:30 GMT -5
Two-for-One: Chickenpox Vaccine Lowers Shingles Risk in ChildrenHealth organizations recommend children receive the varicella vaccine at one year old to protect them against chickenpox, but the vaccine appears to have another benefit: it cuts the risk of shingles, a painful and potentially debilitating rash caused by the reactivated chickenpox virus, by more than half in children over two years old, according to a new study. Approximately 38 per 100,000 children vaccinated against chickenpox developed shingles per year, compared with 170 per 100,000 unvaccinated children, researchers found. Furthermore, shingles infection rates were lower in children who received both recommended doses of the chickenpox vaccine compared with those who only got the first dose. linkIf you never were vaccinated for the chicken pox, and never had the chicken pox, you cannot get shingles. But if children now adults never received the chicken pox vaccine, they can contract the chicken pox as adults. In rare cases, those who received the chickenpox vaccine can and do contract shingles. Good to hear. My niece got shingles in her 20's, unusual, but not unheard of. I didn't know if my daughter was vulnerable. It sounds freakin' miserable. While a friend of mine was being treated for uterine cancer, she contracted shingles in her lungs. She was freakin' miserable.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 9, 2019 17:24:37 GMT -5
I hear it’s awful. I got both of my shots this summer. Paid $160 each. I’m worth $320 to not suffer.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 9, 2019 17:34:35 GMT -5
I hear it’s awful. I got both of my shots this summer. Paid $160 each. I’m worth $320 to not suffer. Zibazinski-do you have Medicare Part D? Or are you still too young to be on Medicare. I have Medicare Part D. On October 15th of this year I got my first of the two Shingrix shots (next shot December 15th). The cost for me was $38 total according to United Health Care who I have the Part D coverage with. I would swear they told me the cost for both shots total was $38. And even if it is not, and it's $38 per shot, it is still a good price. I will update this post after December 15 to confirm the total cost to me.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 9, 2019 17:57:47 GMT -5
Good to hear. My niece got shingles in her 20's, unusual, but not unheard of. I didn't know if my daughter was vulnerable. It sounds freakin' miserable. While a friend of mine was being treated for uterine cancer, she contracted shingles in her lungs. She was freakin' miserable. Shit. Was her name Job?
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 9, 2019 18:02:53 GMT -5
While a friend of mine was being treated for uterine cancer, she contracted shingles in her lungs. She was freakin' miserable. Shit. Was her name Job? Jobetta.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Nov 9, 2019 18:10:17 GMT -5
I got shingles in my early 30's. It was just a single line on my back near wear my bra sits. It took my a while to figure out what the heck it was. I thought something from my bra was poking into my skin. My brother tends to get it on his face. That's where my mom got them.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Nov 9, 2019 19:55:24 GMT -5
My sister has already had shingles twice. The first time she was a teenager. Also had them as a 40 something adult.
I was about 50 when I had shingles.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 20:57:05 GMT -5
I'm supposed to get the Shingrix shots. I suppose I should do that someday. I still haven't even got a flu shot for this year yet.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 10, 2019 2:29:35 GMT -5
I'm supposed to get the Shingrix shots. I suppose I should do that someday. I still haven't even got a flu shot for this year yet. After this thread, I might get one every week.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Nov 10, 2019 7:08:45 GMT -5
I'm supposed to get the Shingrix shots. I suppose I should do that someday. I still haven't even got a flu shot for this year yet. After this thread, I might get one every week.
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