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Post by swamp on Oct 1, 2019 10:12:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 10:20:27 GMT -5
We've had a permit system in place for the Boundary Waters area for as long as I can remember and it seems to work well. It's not a charge, and I'm not sure it would make a difference in the bonehead rescue needs, just a way to regulate how many people are in there at one time...so I guess less boneheads per day. It's nice to go and have it be a real wilderness experience without crowds of canoes all over.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 1, 2019 10:30:23 GMT -5
Climbers pay to climb Mt. Everest. Permit required. Mt. Everest base camps hsvecturned into junkyards. Each year, more and more climbers are on Everest and there is more and more junk. While there are no mountains like Everest in the Adirondacks, the mountains are attracting more and more hikers and climbers. That means there is probably more junk on the trails. Instead a paid permit each time someone wants to go up the choicest mountains in the Adirondacks, why not offer a five or ten year pass for a certain amount of dollars which is used for maintenance of them. A year or two ago, the National Park service offered a life-time pass to its parks for like $22. I bought one. Not sure if it was just for seniors or for everyone, The cost now is like $80 for a life time pass. Do something like that for the Adirondacks.
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 1, 2019 10:34:37 GMT -5
Climbers pay to climb Mt. Everest. Permit required. Mt. Everest base camps hsvecturned into junkyards. Each year, more and more climbers are on Everest and there is more and more junk. While there are no mountains like Everest in the Adirondacks, the mountains are attracting more and more hikers and climbers. That means there is probably more junk on the trails. Instead a paid permit each time someone wants to go up the choicest mountains in the Adirondacks, why not offer a five or ten year pass for a certain amount of dollars which is used for maintenance of them. A year or two ago, the National Park service offered a life-time pass to its parks for like $22. I bought one. Not sure if it was just for seniors or for everyone, The cost now is like $80 for a life time pass. Do something like that for the Adirondacks. That is a senior pass and you should have bought it at the park entrance → I got my old biddy card for $10. Hand in your YM card buster
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Oct 1, 2019 10:49:09 GMT -5
I am not. There are a LOT of local rescues (and it is not always bone headed hikers....sometimes well prepared ones who get injured). I am not sure who pays for the bulk of the cost for a search and rescue/recover mission, but it can't be cheap.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 1, 2019 10:58:16 GMT -5
Climbers pay to climb Mt. Everest. Permit required. Mt. Everest base camps hsvecturned into junkyards. Each year, more and more climbers are on Everest and there is more and more junk. While there are no mountains like Everest in the Adirondacks, the mountains are attracting more and more hikers and climbers. That means there is probably more junk on the trails. Instead a paid permit each time someone wants to go up the choicest mountains in the Adirondacks, why not offer a five or ten year pass for a certain amount of dollars which is used for maintenance of them. A year or two ago, the National Park service offered a life-time pass to its parks for like $22. I bought one. Not sure if it was just for seniors or for everyone, The cost now is like $80 for a life time pass. Do something like that for the Adirondacks. That is a senior pass and you should have bought it at the park entrance → I got my old biddy card for $10. Hand in your YM card buster I haven't been to a national park since I think 2000. Bought it on-line. Closest I was to a national park that day.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 1, 2019 11:03:39 GMT -5
I think this from the link is a really good idea: "DEC is working closely with stakeholders, communities and partners to address issues ,,,"
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Post by justme on Oct 1, 2019 12:09:28 GMT -5
Climbers pay to climb Mt. Everest. Permit required. Mt. Everest base camps hsvecturned into junkyards. Each year, more and more climbers are on Everest and there is more and more junk. While there are no mountains like Everest in the Adirondacks, the mountains are attracting more and more hikers and climbers. That means there is probably more junk on the trails. Instead a paid permit each time someone wants to go up the choicest mountains in the Adirondacks, why not offer a five or ten year pass for a certain amount of dollars which is used for maintenance of them. A year or two ago, the National Park service offered a life-time pass to its parks for like $22. I bought one. Not sure if it was just for seniors or for everyone, The cost now is like $80 for a life time pass. Do something like that for the Adirondacks. There's permits, but one side manages it (limited number, requirements and such) while another side is basically pay for play - if you have enough to pay they'll let you on the mountain regardless if you've never hiked before. I forget which is which though.
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Post by tskeeter on Oct 6, 2019 17:43:20 GMT -5
I think the question of permits for parks and wilderness areas comes down to whether you charge for the permit or not.
A permit process that evens out, distributes, and possibly limits use helps to protect our park and wilderness resources.
A fee for use permit process may start out as low cost, but as with many other government activities, permit costs can easily increase to the point where many citizens won’t be able to afford the permit fees. That smacks of a time in Europe where certain recreational activities, such as hunting, were reserved for the aristocracy. Can you imagine a system of national parks that are available to the Bill Gates and Donald Trumps of the world, but not to you?
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