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Post by steph08 on Sept 25, 2019 12:53:36 GMT -5
I am married, and I'm pissed at the OP's DH for just up and going to HR and having them change his position to make less $$$ in order to hike a trail less than 9 months from now that he is not prepared for in any way.
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Post by justme on Sept 25, 2019 12:55:22 GMT -5
I am married, and I'm pissed at the OP's DH for just up and going to HR and having them change his position to make less $$$ in order to hike a trail less than 9 months from now that he is not prepared for in any way. Oh I'd be pissed too. But that would come after laughing, because seriously? What kind of harebrained idea is this (given the proposed timeline)?
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Post by tskeeter on Sept 25, 2019 13:08:41 GMT -5
Teen Persuasion, as retired financial manager who handled payroll activities for several decades, I’d be surprised if, as you contend, “his employer has created this option”. It would be much simpler for the school if all teachers worked the same schedule and got paid over the same time period. In my experience, the summer off option sounds like something that the teachers proposed through their union. And that the union negotiated into the contract. One of those situations where the union proposes and expects the employer to figure out how to make the proposal into reality. As a payroll administrator, I always hated that the folks negotiating contracts never had to administer the contracts they agreed to. If they had to do the administration, they would never agree to proposals that would be extremely difficult to administer. I'm just guessing, but the school probably doesn't need ALL of their teachers to work summer school. Nor do they want to then pay all of them for being at the school when they are not needed. This sounds to me exactly like what a school would propose for their own needs. It would be SIMPLER if the teachers all worked the same schedule, but that would mean them all working 12 months...which would be ridiculously wasteful since they almost certainly aren't all needed during the summer break. Hoops, considering that the OP’s DH works for an alternative school with a residential program, and that, unlike most public schools, they have a summer term, I suspect that they need most of their staff year around.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 25, 2019 13:20:09 GMT -5
I'm just guessing, but the school probably doesn't need ALL of their teachers to work summer school. Nor do they want to then pay all of them for being at the school when they are not needed. This sounds to me exactly like what a school would propose for their own needs. It would be SIMPLER if the teachers all worked the same schedule, but that would mean them all working 12 months...which would be ridiculously wasteful since they almost certainly aren't all needed during the summer break. Hoops, considering that the OP’s DH works for an alternative school with a residential program, and that, unlike most public schools, they have a summer term, I suspect that they need most of their staff year around. Are you saying most public schools don't have summer school for 6 weeks or so? Maybe it's just my state, but it is SUPER common to have ~6 weeks of summer school here. I can understand that in an alternative residential program their % of summer school needs might be higher than an average place, but I'd be surprised to hear that most public schools don't have a summer program in some form for a number of weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 13:21:22 GMT -5
Wait. What? He's never been hiking? I missed that part. This is moving into horrible idea territory now.
On the other end of the spectrum. I was just at a planning meeting last night for a scout hike that DS is going on next summer. 15 days, 100+ miles in the mountains of NM and they plan it out almost TWO YEARS in advance. They've been having gear check meetings, and are putting X amount of hours in their boots every week. They will have several hikes of 10 miles or more leading up to it with 35 pounds in their packs. Not to mention it will be in a crew of 10 people and not alone. Still shit happens. The last crew from our troop had to have one of the members airlifted out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 13:23:12 GMT -5
Hoops, considering that the OP’s DH works for an alternative school with a residential program, and that, unlike most public schools, they have a summer term, I suspect that they need most of their staff year around. Are you saying most public schools don't have summer school for 6 weeks or so? Maybe it's just my state, but it is SUPER common to have ~6 weeks of summer school here. I can understand that in an alternative residential program their % of summer school needs might be higher than an average place, but I'd be surprised to hear that most public schools don't have a summer program in some form for a number of weeks. Our summer school is run by the alternative school. The public and private high school kids all utilize the summer school there if they need to make up credits.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 25, 2019 13:29:03 GMT -5
Are you saying most public schools don't have summer school for 6 weeks or so? Maybe it's just my state, but it is SUPER common to have ~6 weeks of summer school here. I can understand that in an alternative residential program their % of summer school needs might be higher than an average place, but I'd be surprised to hear that most public schools don't have a summer program in some form for a number of weeks. Our summer school is run by the alternative school. The public and private high school kids all utilize the summer school there if they need to make up credits. Taught by the alternative school teachers? Our bigger districts tend to consolidate multiple schools to a central campus for summer school (and sometimes that's the alternative school because it's more centrally located or more likely to have a high number of students needing the program), but the teachers are often from those schools and not fully from the alternative school. Of course the bigger districts with alternative school options around here are also all run by the same entity (City X public schools) so the teachers all have the same general rules in terms of school year, etc...they aren't being hired by an alternative school that just has it's own rules...it's part of the larger school district.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 13:42:03 GMT -5
Our summer school is run by the alternative school. The public and private high school kids all utilize the summer school there if they need to make up credits. Taught by the alternative school teachers? Our bigger districts tend to consolidate multiple schools to a central campus for summer school (and sometimes that's the alternative school because it's more centrally located or more likely to have a high number of students needing the program), but the teachers are often from those schools and not fully from the alternative school. Of course the bigger districts with alternative school options around here are also all run by the same entity (City X public schools) so the teachers all have the same general rules in terms of school year, etc...they aren't being hired by an alternative school that just has it's own rules...it's part of the larger school district. I really have no clue on the logistics of it. The public high school and the alternative school are under the same school district number, so it could be that they just hold it in that building.
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Post by justme on Sept 25, 2019 14:02:11 GMT -5
Wait. What? He's never been hiking? I missed that part. This is moving into horrible idea territory now.
On the other end of the spectrum. I was just at a planning meeting last night for a scout hike that DS is going on next summer. 15 days, 100+ miles in the mountains of NM and they plan it out almost TWO YEARS in advance. They've been having gear check meetings, and are putting X amount of hours in their boots every week. They will have several hikes of 10 miles or more leading up to it with 35 pounds in their packs. Not to mention it will be in a crew of 10 people and not alone. Still shit happens. The last crew from our troop had to have one of the members airlifted out.
She said they've done car camping and day hiking. Quite different than bring all your supplies on your back hiking! Info in post #5.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 14:21:50 GMT -5
She said they've done car camping and day hiking. Quite different than bring all your supplies on your back hiking! Info in post #5. I think I'd tell him to take a 5 day hike first carrying all his supplies. He'd probably survive and be cured of the urge.
Maybe make it a hike within cell range if possible.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 25, 2019 14:25:01 GMT -5
I would give up 2 months of salary to get the summer off. In a freaking heartbeat! I don’t need more money, I want the time! Yes, but would you take a pay cut every payday for a year, plus skip 4 paychecks to get 3 pay periods off? That's the part I don't agree with. Honestly, yes I would. I need health insurance. I have enough passive income that I can go without regular checks for a long time. I don’t need Loren money. I need more time. If that meant I had to take a reduced hourly rate (though I don’t get paid hourly) I would do it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I did not choose a career where having summers off is even an option.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 14:32:20 GMT -5
Yes, but would you take a pay cut every payday for a year, plus skip 4 paychecks to get 3 pay periods off? That's the part I don't agree with. Honestly, yes I would. I need health insurance. I have enough passive income that I can go without regular checks for a long time. I don’t need Loren money. I need more time. If that meant I had to take a reduced hourly rate (though I don’t get paid hourly) I would do it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I did not choose a career where having summers off is even an option. But, you're not trying to support a family on 46K and having the reduction for a hiking trip take you to 39K.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 25, 2019 14:47:15 GMT -5
Honestly, yes I would. I need health insurance. I have enough passive income that I can go without regular checks for a long time. I don’t need Loren money. I need more time. If that meant I had to take a reduced hourly rate (though I don’t get paid hourly) I would do it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I did not choose a career where having summers off is even an option. But, you're not trying to support a family on 46K and having the reduction for a hiking trip take you to 39K.
How many are left at home? I wouldn't want to support my kids on 46K a year, and I wouldn't cut my pay down. But, I'm pretty sure OP doesn't have a toddler running around her house, either. If work keeps going the way it is, I will be strongly compelled to retire from my dayjob at 55. Miss M will be 13. My income could go down to about 15-20K. After working two jobs for 30+ years, I think having a break is reasonable.
I have not chosen to handle things the same way OPs husband did. I just gave DH a warning that this may happen, and that he might have to start working full time when Miss M is in school full time.
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Post by bean29 on Sept 25, 2019 14:58:10 GMT -5
Honestly, yes I would. I need health insurance. I have enough passive income that I can go without regular checks for a long time. I don’t need Loren money. I need more time. If that meant I had to take a reduced hourly rate (though I don’t get paid hourly) I would do it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I did not choose a career where having summers off is even an option. But, you're not trying to support a family on 46K and having the reduction for a hiking trip take you to 39K.
To say nothing to the fact that the 7,000 cut does not include expenses for the Trip, and it does not account for the rest of the family being entitled to a vacation too.
When DD was in HS she had an opportunity to go to Costa Rica, but we would have had to pay $6,000-$7,000 - I told DD I could take the entire family on vacation for that kind of money, and I was not going to spend it for just her.
It does not come naturally to DH to consult with me on spending $$, but he also is mostly YM about his decisions. Occasionally his wants will take precedence - so I try to stay in front of the issue and present him with options for things I know he really wants - like I found him a late model sports car before he bought himself an older sports car that needed work that he is not capable of doing himself. I also watch our expenses and (his business expenses) and try to remind him of upcoming expenses - so he does not spend $$ he does not have.
My latest thing was to suggest a higher security deposit for a rental he agreed to let his brother live in. We have spent a good $2,500 getting it ready and DH told them they could rent it for probably $300/month less that the going rate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 15:08:33 GMT -5
But, you're not trying to support a family on 46K and having the reduction for a hiking trip take you to 39K.
How many are left at home? I wouldn't want to support my kids on 46K a year, and I wouldn't cut my pay down. But, I'm pretty sure OP doesn't have a toddler running around her house, either. If work keeps going the way it is, I will be strongly compelled to retire from my dayjob at 55. Miss M will be 13. My income could go down to about 15-20K. After working two jobs for 30+ years, I think having a break is reasonable.
I have not chosen to handle things the same way OPs husband did. I just gave DH a warning that this may happen, and that he might have to start working full time when Miss M is in school full time.
I think there's one in college and one in high school, so no toddlers, but not cheap kids either. A 7K cut for a hiking trip is a lot at that income. Not sure how you're planning to live off 20K!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 25, 2019 15:56:54 GMT -5
Honestly, yes I would. I need health insurance. I have enough passive income that I can go without regular checks for a long time. I don’t need Loren money. I need more time. If that meant I had to take a reduced hourly rate (though I don’t get paid hourly) I would do it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I did not choose a career where having summers off is even an option. But, you're not trying to support a family on 46K and having the reduction for a hiking trip take you to 39K.
But I actually could support my household on $46k or even $39k. I love very wimpy so my base bills are very, very low. It’s the health insurance that kills me. It is crazy expensive to buy outside of an employer plan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 16:21:47 GMT -5
But, you're not trying to support a family on 46K and having the reduction for a hiking trip take you to 39K.
But I actually could support my household on $46k or even $39k. I love very wimpy so my base bills are very, very low. It’s the health insurance that kills me. It is crazy expensive to buy outside of an employer plan. Well, if it's really all about the health insurance, just get a part time job somewhere like Costco or UPS.
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Post by Bonny on Sept 25, 2019 20:18:23 GMT -5
It's especially frustrating because we are so close to being able to have him just stop working (if he wants) or take a fun job doing something different like park ranger (or whatever). And with DS5 in HS we are in a spot for a few years where we should try to earn as much as possible now, and pull way back when our tax returns will hit on DS5's FAFSA (2021-25). Seriously, Hon, can't this wait one more year? I'd rather DH ease into serious hiking, rather than throw himself in sink-or-swim style with no prep. Try a shorter term hike, to see how it goes, work out the kinks, figure out what equipment you need/want/prefer. Then a somewhat longer, more challenging one. THEN the AT.He's out of his mind. I just finished up hiking a section of the Pacific Crest Trail (PCT) last week from Lake Tahoe to Yosemite. It was about 150 miles with 13 days on the trail. Carrying a bear cannister is mandatory on sections of the trail and I assume is the case with the AT. That adds weight and forces resupplies to every week...and I don't eat that much when I hike. My full pack with water and food is 45lbs.
He absolutely needs to train and learn how to use his equipment. Also, what is his response to altitude? While the AT is considerably lower than either the PCT or the John Muir Trail there are changes to elevation. I was surprised that in contrast to my other hikes, this year I had some elevation issues the first few days.
I have been doing my through hikes solo; the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail (section of PCT), the Tahoe Rim Trail and the John Muir Trail but in order to calm my husband the non hiker, I agreed to buy a DeLorme Inreach Satellite communicator. It can track my location at 10 minute intervals and I would send a text every night letting DH I was safe and at my planned camp. Mine cost $400 four years ago.
I would have loved to have hiked the PCT in its entirety but it's not practical. It's 2700 miles and would take me about six months assuming I hit perfect weather. I would not be married if I tried to pull that off!
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Post by teen persuasion on Sept 25, 2019 21:00:30 GMT -5
LOL, I love the way everyone latches onto one tiny tidbit of info and extrapolates out.
DH's school is not part of a district, it is part of an agency. Students that are kicked out of their home districts are placed there, and some are placed there by the courts. No other students would do summer school there, but, yeah most of the agency's students probably will attend summer school.
Our home district doesn't teach summer school, but the district just over the county line does, so if one of our students needs to retake a course, they go there, and pay that district for each course. There's not nearly enough demand for summer school classes for it to make sense for every district to run them.
The salary numbers were clearly not his actual numbers, no idea where they came from, which was my first big issue with this scenario. Second was the probably $8k pay cut. Third, the unknown details. And eventually, the premature leap to doing the AT next summer.
DH said he wanted to look into taking next summer off. I thought that sounded reasonable (looking into it, that is). When he asked, it became a have-to-sign-up-now thing. I got a lot more uneasy because nothing really made sense. So the phone call from him was a last chance to explore the new details from HR, and he did ask me if I was comfortable with him doing it. I hated saying no, but I did say that, NO, I wasn't comfortable with it, because of the unknown parts, and what was an excessive pay cut IMO. So he did not sign up for this now. He is still exploring using PTO instead.
Thinking about the whole thing, lots of it is symbolic. I knew he'd be grumpy about me saying no, because he's getting tired of waiting to do something he really wants to do (but can't because of being tied to a working schedule). I also know he'd hate my reasoning (it's about the money), even if it's practical to think that way. He hates money, and the limits it puts on us in general, says it's all fake, so why bother worrying. At the same time, I hate having to be the "mom" here, he's not my kid, he's an adult.
Even if he had signed up for this and actually had the summer off, chances are good that his lack of planning would mean that he wouldn't quite get around to starting the hike, anyways. Something would come up, something wouldn't be ready, some kink would be unable to be gotten around... which would be fine with me given the challenges of the planned hike, but the lost pay (actually, lost retirement savings, really) would be terribly frustrating.
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Post by teen persuasion on Sept 25, 2019 21:16:39 GMT -5
DH and I were just talking more about the pay thing (he got his pay stub today). It's even more garbled than I'd thought. Apparently there is an option to have the reduced pay spread over 26 periods, but they'd told him he couldn't do it because of some state reg that the pay had to be at least $900/week. It must have been today, looking at his stub and seeing the current payrate that he did the simple math and said to the HR clerk "but my pay is over $900". "So you could have done it!" she said. Talking about using PTO, he said another option is just taking a leave of absence (w/o pay) if he doesn't have enough PTO to cover the 6 weeks. Catch is you can't use it more often than 24 months. Wait, what? I thought that's what you were trying to do with the summer off thing. No, the 10 month contract is a *different* option. Obviously the worst option, here. Still not sure if the communication breakdown is between DH and HR, or DH and me. He hand waves a lot of details as unimportant, and complains I focus on nitpicky details too much.
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Post by teen persuasion on Sept 25, 2019 21:37:27 GMT -5
It seems next summer is another unusual one, because of when things land. This year summer break wasn't a full 10 weeks, more like 9 1/2 because Regents were scheduled so late.
Next summer will be the usual 10 weeks, but 1 week vacation, 6 weeks summer school, 3 weeks vacation. Fourth of July lands on Saturday, summer classes begin the Monday after, and Labor day is very late, September 7th, so fall semester begins probably September 8 or 9.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 26, 2019 5:30:07 GMT -5
But I actually could support my household on $46k or even $39k. I love very wimpy so my base bills are very, very low. It’s the health insurance that kills me. It is crazy expensive to buy outside of an employer plan. Well, if it's really all about the health insurance, just get a part time job somewhere like Costco or UPS. The last thing I want to do is work in customer service. I didn’t like dealing with idiots when I was in high school, I can’t imagine my personality has changed so much since then!lol My goal is to either increase my passive income enough to cover the health insurance (big risk), wait until the socialist give us everything for free or find a professional part time job that covers health insurance (not that easy in my area). I have several pre-existing conditions so I do have to be cognizant of not being in a group plan.
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Post by oped on Sept 26, 2019 6:54:04 GMT -5
My neighbor sorts mail for UPS. No customer service. Early morning like 4 hours a day. Full benefits.
Currently your pre existing conditions don’t matter... you know, thanks to the socialists...
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 26, 2019 7:34:40 GMT -5
If this were my husband and circumstances concerning the hiking were as stated I would be making sure all life insurance policies are current and paid up to date. As for the changing work schedule I have no comment!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 26, 2019 12:55:24 GMT -5
My neighbor sorts mail for UPS. No customer service. Early morning like 4 hours a day. Full benefits. Currently your pre existing conditions don’t matter... you know, thanks to the socialists... Which is why I said I need to be careful about pre-existing conditions because I do not know what will happen. I'm not going to lie, the thought of sorting mail makes my eyes bleed. Don't get me wrong, I would do what I had to do if I absolutely needed to. But I see no point in quitting a job to take a job that would make me want to kill myself. If I am quitting, it would be to either not ever have to work again or to do something that I've always wanted to do. I would love to be an aide in a school, work in a bakery (I want to learn how to make pretty cakes!) or various other things. I don't want to "have" to work, otherwise that takes away the point of retiring in the first place.
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Post by oped on Sept 26, 2019 14:28:30 GMT -5
Aide in school is a good one. Here they get benefits, although the pay is poor.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Sept 26, 2019 17:21:14 GMT -5
Aide in school is a good one. Here they get benefits, although the pay is poor. Here pay is poor and they only get certain benefits.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 26, 2019 19:20:31 GMT -5
Aide in school is a good one. Here they get benefits, although the pay is poor. The pay is awful. It is something I want to do just because I want to, not for the money. I’m at a point where I want a job that means something to people, not a job that makes people more money (including me). I think back to several people that have really made a difference in my daughters life. I would love to do the same for someone else.
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Post by oped on Sept 26, 2019 19:43:06 GMT -5
I’ve thought about it too. As an aide I could work directly with kids and not have any of the responsibilities that take up hours outside school. Flexibility is worth more to me at the moment however, and since the pay is nice but not strictly necessary, I’m volunteering tutoring most of the time. If insurance changes though... maybe.
The money in my current tutor gig is nice, but I’m dragging to finish up the last 3 days... I’m tired of it frankly.
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