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Post by dondub on Aug 31, 2019 19:37:23 GMT -5
Yet a noted Lafferite claimed again this week that there is irrefutable proof that SS is the greatest plan ever. I believe you personally have debunked him 20+ times in the last decade or more.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 31, 2019 19:45:11 GMT -5
Yet a noted Lafferite claimed again this week that there is irrefutable proof that SS is the greatest plan ever. I believe you personally have debunked him 20+ times in the last decade or more. Given that this reply is on a different page from what prompted it, can we clarify that SS refers to Supply-Side and not Social Security?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 31, 2019 22:00:08 GMT -5
If it didn't matter under Obama's guidance Why does it matter now??
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 31, 2019 22:10:11 GMT -5
Does make you think where all our democrat candidates are going with the 'top this' versions of what they're going to be spending on. As an overall, no debt discussions should be in the forefront of any democrat platform. It will work against them. I did notice in the first debates, that no questions were asked on how all the things promised, were going to be payed for. Bernie is well into the trillions. No he’s not. What is Bernie's medical bill forgiveness plan alone going to cost?? Maybe like $818 billion??
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 31, 2019 22:42:42 GMT -5
What is Bernie's medical bill forgiveness plan alone going to cost?? Maybe like $818 billion?? that's less than corporations wrote off in 2017:
Thanks to insurance and tax breaks, consumers tend to be protected from the bulk of these costs. Corporations are somewhat shielded as well. In 2017, they were able to deduct an estimated $854 billion from their taxes due to the health insurance they provide.
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Post by dondub on Aug 31, 2019 23:33:15 GMT -5
What is Bernie's medical bill forgiveness plan alone going to cost?? Maybe like $818 billion?? Just to let you know...Bernie is just a Senator. Thus, your speculation is not only complybullshiite, but reveals how unaware you are about how our government works. You are completely ignoring that both the House and the Senate have something to say about the.matter.
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Post by tbop77 on Sept 1, 2019 6:32:37 GMT -5
If it didn't matter under Obama's guidance Why does it matter now?? If it mattered so much under President Obama's term, why doesn't it matter now?
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 1, 2019 8:48:57 GMT -5
If it didn't matter under Obama's guidance Why does it matter now?? If it mattered so much under President Obama's term, why doesn't it matter now? It mattered cause I was a conservative, Obama was was in the White House. The Left did not care if there was a debt. It does not matter now cause We have Trump in the White House, The Right does not care now. That is the only reason. No different now than it was then, except We have switch sides!! Isn't it nice that "WE" all follow the Party line!!
When in reality, it was bad then it is worse now. don't quote me on that!
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Post by tbop77 on Sept 1, 2019 9:10:14 GMT -5
If it mattered so much under President Obama's term, why doesn't it matter now? It mattered cause I was a conservative, Obama was was in the White House. The Left did not care if there was a debt. It does not matter now cause We have Trump in the White House, The Right does not care now. That is the only reason. No different now than it was then, except We have switch sides!! Isn't it nice that "WE" all follow the Party line!!
When in reality, it was bad then it is worse now. don't quote me on that! Well....I don't follow party lines. I voted for Rand Paul. I certainly feel like he is one of the only ones that is trying to get through to the American public the stupid things they are wasting our money. Cuts are going to have to come. Everyone is going to have to sacrifice. Like another poster stated, we didn't want to do it in the 70's and pulled out the credit card. It's maxed out.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 1, 2019 9:43:29 GMT -5
Trump has it covered, Where do the Tariffs go, to the Government.
Look at it this was way, Trump imposed additional tariff on a bunch of Chinese products, A news article said it will cost each household a $1000.00 more a year. 100.000.000 households in the U. S. (pulled that number out of my hat) times the $1000. a year in tariffs,
=$100,000.000.000 in revenue, out of thin air!! Next all the people serving in Congress, Like Trump, should be working for free, Like none of them, when running for election said I am in it for the money,, now did they?? Here is the best law they could possibly pass, NO LAWYERS need apply!!!!What an improvement that would be,,
Just think of the money saved!! no lawyers,, no lawsuits, in government!!
Small furnished apartment, couple of bucks for food!! That will get us down to the serious ones that actually do care!! We have to raise taxes on everyone. even the rich,, Did I really say that,, Ok, Ok I will throw in a couple of bucks myself,,
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2019 13:35:10 GMT -5
your numbers are way off.
the tariffs are nothing more than a very inefficient tax on the poor.
they won't make up for the tax cuts.
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Post by dondub on Sept 1, 2019 15:45:34 GMT -5
Yet a noted Lafferite claimed again this week that there is irrefutable proof that SS is the greatest plan ever. I believe you personally have debunked him 20+ times in the last decade or more. Given that this reply is on a different page from what prompted it, can we clarify that SS refers to Supply-Side and not Social Security? I was quite positive that using Lafferite in the same sentence would be a clear indicator considering the same Lafferite wants to dismantle SS.😎
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 1, 2019 20:27:15 GMT -5
your numbers are way off.
the tariffs are nothing more than a very inefficient tax on the poor.
they won't make up for the tax cuts. Didn't we have a huge posting on how the tariff on steel was going to cost every one lots of money?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2019 21:10:20 GMT -5
your numbers are way off.
the tariffs are nothing more than a very inefficient tax on the poor.
they won't make up for the tax cuts. Didn't we have a huge posting on how the tariff on steel was going to cost every one lots of money? I couldn't say, oc. it doesn't cost me anything, because Chinese steel is shit. I stopped buying it in the 90's.
edit: I did hear this yesterday, however. if the Tarriffs remain in place, it will cost the average household $2,300 next year. moreover, I think the way of portraying this is wrong. the taxes are ultimately bourne by American consumers, not the Chinese. it is a tax on consumers. period. soon enough, they will realize it.
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Post by dondub on Sept 2, 2019 13:59:22 GMT -5
If it mattered so much under President Obama's term, why doesn't it matter now? It mattered cause I was a conservative, Obama was was in the White House. The Left did not care if there was a debt. I know you like to speak for all left/liberals but in this case you are wrong. Lefties I know have always been concerned about the debt and how the Repo-Cons (you) have been such bold faced liars about fiscal responsibility. So let's do this: 1. How much of Obama's debt was due to Bush tax cuts? 2. How much of the debt can be attributed to lowered revenues due to the BushCo. Crash? 3. How much of Obama's debt was due to putting the Bush war's back on the books? 4. Was Obama's annual deficit in decline the last few years of his Presidency? 5. Did rep[o-Cons scream bloody murder about Obama's debt? 6. Do they completely not care now? It does not matter now cause We have Trump in the White House, The Right does not care now. That is the only reason. It's not like Trump getting elected caused the Repo-Cons 4 decades of hypocrisy to disappear. No different now than it was then, except We have switch sides!! Wrong. Isn't it nice that "WE" all follow the Party line!! It's wrong if you believe that, but I know you need Obama's debt to equal Reagan, Bush, Bush, Trump. Nice try.
When in reality, it was bad then it is worse now. don't quote me on that! Don't worry.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 2, 2019 14:07:19 GMT -5
"Isn't it nice that "WE" all follow the Party line!!"
Speak for yourself. Maybe YOU follow the party line.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 2, 2019 18:02:39 GMT -5
It mattered cause I was a conservative, Obama was was in the White House. The Left did not care if there was a debt. I know you like to speak for all left/liberals but in this case you are wrong. Lefties I know have always been concerned about the debt and how the Repo-Cons (you) have been such bold faced liars about fiscal responsibility. So let's do this: 1. How much of Obama's debt was due to Bush tax cuts? 2. How much of the debt can be attributed to lowered revenues due to the BushCo. Crash? 3. How much of Obama's debt was due to putting the Bush war's back on the books? 4. Was Obama's annual deficit in decline the last few years of his Presidency? 5. Did rep[o-Cons scream bloody murder about Obama's debt? 6. Do they completely not care now? It does not matter now cause We have Trump in the White House, The Right does not care now. That is the only reason. It's not like Trump getting elected caused the Repo-Cons 4 decades of hypocrisy to disappear. No different now than it was then, except We have switch sides!! Wrong. Isn't it nice that "WE" all follow the Party line!! It's wrong if you believe that, but I know you need Obama's debt to equal Reagan, Bush, Bush, Trump. Nice try.
When in reality, it was bad then it is worse now. don't quote me on that! Don't worry. you just did!!
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Post by dondub on Sept 2, 2019 18:24:24 GMT -5
Are you sure?
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 2, 2019 18:40:26 GMT -5
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Post by dondub on Sept 2, 2019 19:20:25 GMT -5
Oh I get it. By using the quote function I have inadvertently ‘quoted ‘ the part you didn’t want quoted. Too bad.
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Post by dondub on Sept 2, 2019 19:23:47 GMT -5
In the meantime you remain slavishly devoted to the Kingpin of debt and financial destruction. Some conservative you turned out to be.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 2, 2019 19:23:54 GMT -5
LOL.
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