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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 19, 2019 23:12:09 GMT -5
The rice cooker posed no threat, not packed with explosives. Clueless, as usual. If someone calls in a bomb threat to an airport or school, you think there should be no repercussion? After all, it wasn't really a bomb, so it's all good? Did he call in a bomb threat?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 19, 2019 23:15:40 GMT -5
... Owns no guns, Kinda hard to have a mass shooting without guns. ... Volusia County Sheriff Michael Chitwood said on CNN Sunday that authorities had recovered a .22-caliber hunting rifle and 400 rounds of ammo in Wix's apartment. Wix had initially told investigators he did not own any firearms but that he was fascinated with mass shootings, the sheriff's office said. link I think it also said he wanted to shoot at a distance of three miles! That would be quite a shot with a .22.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 19, 2019 23:17:01 GMT -5
Cowing, ok,, does that mean I am supposed be scared? Owns no guns, Kinda hard to have a mass shooting without guns. Let's start with the title of this thread,
There's a man with a gun over there,, Now if that man is making threats to me, and has a means to carry out those threats, Yes I will be very concerned, But if some kid is threatening me with his big fourteen year old brother, to beat me up, not so much. They have to have the means and a way to carry out the threat.
YOU'RE the one who keeps crowing about how easy it is to get a gun. If these whack-jobs want guns, they'll get guns. Then catch the whack-jobs, leave my guns alone.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 19, 2019 23:54:03 GMT -5
Clueless, as usual. If someone calls in a bomb threat to an airport or school, you think there should be no repercussion? After all, it wasn't really a bomb, so it's all good? Did he call in a bomb threat? Whooosh! Right over your head.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 20, 2019 0:02:00 GMT -5
Did he call in a bomb threat? Whooosh! Right over your head. Did he call in a bomb threat?
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 20, 2019 1:27:59 GMT -5
Did who call in a bomb threat? You're a very concrete thinker aren't you? You're unable to think in abstract terms. That's often indicative of mental illness.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 20, 2019 8:26:51 GMT -5
Did who call in a bomb threat? You're a very concrete thinker aren't you? You're unable to think in abstract terms. That's often indicative of mental illness. You said: Clueless, as usual. If someone calls in a bomb threat to an airport or school, you think there should be no repercussion? After all, it wasn't really a bomb, so it's all good?
Did the guy that dropped off the empty rice cookers, call in a bomb threat?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 20, 2019 8:28:44 GMT -5
to think in abstract terms.
Is that like making up things? in your head?
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 20, 2019 8:31:49 GMT -5
to think in abstract terms.
Is that like making up things? in your head?
This is part of the distance between liberals and conservatives and unfortunately works both ways by both the far left and far right members.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 20, 2019 8:31:52 GMT -5
Two of the people arrested were acquiring guns and ammo.
Here are the new rules...
You can't yell fire in a fire-free crowded theater, you will be arrested, even if you didn't start a fire.
You can't make a bomb threat in an airport or other public spaces. You will be arrested, even if you have no bomb.
You can't threaten mass shootings on the internet or through texts. You will be arrested, even if you have no guns.
You are complaining that people are wrong for joking about the assassination of the President, and I agree with you. But I also don't want people threatening to harm mass amounts of regular people. That is also wrong.
This is public safety, not thought police.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 20, 2019 8:47:00 GMT -5
You can't threaten mass shootings on the internet or through texts. You will be arrested, even if you have no guns.
OK arrest him, What are you going to charge them with, Making a false statement, How about fifth degree murder with their mouth, if they had no means to carry out what ever they threatened, Or hey let's do this, let's start arresting people who make any kind of threat, like, arrest him, he threatened to report me to the THOUGHT police!!
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 20, 2019 8:52:08 GMT -5
I will repeat this. The way it was explained to me by a police officer, The can scream all the "threats" they want, if they don't have a physical means to carry it out, means nothing.
A example, I can not shoot some one standing across the street from me because he was screaming threats at me, If they have no means or a way to carry out the threat!
By the way the person that was making threats to me,,
I told him to come right over, he was just across the street, he didn't. wonder why?
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Post by mollyanna58 on Aug 20, 2019 9:17:00 GMT -5
Citation for the Phoenix explosives, please. I did a quick search, and found something from 2011 in a forum called "Godlike Productions". As for the rice cooker, maybe charges related to making terroristic threats. Since it was a police screw up, it disappeared off the news screen pretty fast.
Thanks. It is the same incident from 2011.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 20, 2019 9:19:55 GMT -5
Citation for the Phoenix explosives, please. I did a quick search, and found something from 2011 in a forum called "Godlike Productions". As for the rice cooker, maybe charges related to making terroristic threats. Since it was a police screw up, it disappeared off the news screen pretty fast.
It was kind of funny when I was looking this up, at the time there were several news reports on it,
When I started looking it up, boy have they disappeared.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 20, 2019 9:27:32 GMT -5
Since it was a police screw up, it disappeared off the news screen pretty fast.
Thanks. It is the same incident from 2011. You know what! Hmmm, no, this happened fairly recently, I have to go look again, the reason that I know or at least think I know,,
was there was a package matching the explosive, sitting at Central and Thomas, a short distance from the Light Rail,, I saw a homeless man, picked it up was looking in it. That was not eight years ago, I will go looking again.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 20, 2019 11:46:54 GMT -5
Did who call in a bomb threat? You're a very concrete thinker aren't you? You're unable to think in abstract terms. That's often indicative of mental illness. You said: Clueless, as usual. If someone calls in a bomb threat to an airport or school, you think there should be no repercussion? After all, it wasn't really a bomb, so it's all good?
Did the guy that dropped off the empty rice cookers, call in a bomb threat?
Absolutely clueless. You seemed fine with people making threats online, fine with terrorizing the populace with empty rice cookers, so I asked if there should be no repercussions if someone phones in a bomb threat when there is no bomb. I never said the rice cooker guy phoned in a bomb threat. Your reading and comprehension skills are sorely lacking. You're BEYOND clueless.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 20, 2019 17:16:53 GMT -5
to think in abstract terms.
Is that like making up things? in your head?
Not even close.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 20, 2019 20:41:26 GMT -5
I will repeat this. The way it was explained to me by a police officer, The can scream all the "threats" they want, if they don't have a physical means to carry it out, means nothing.
A example, I can not shoot some one standing across the street from me because he was screaming threats at me, If they have no means or a way to carry out the threat!
By the way the person that was making threats to me,,
I told him to come right over, he was just across the street, he didn't. wonder why?
That one police officer you talked to may be working on old information, incorrect information, or he has a misunderstanding of the situation. One guy was charged with illegal possession of guns, one for harassment and aggravated menacing (which is a funny and terrible sounding thing). The third guy was charged with threats of mass shootings. Given that the FBI has made these charges very publically makes me think that your one local police man is not correct. We will see if these end up in the courts saying it is unconstitutional. Until the SCOTUS says it isn't, I'm going to take the word of the FBI.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 20, 2019 23:20:59 GMT -5
SatireNRA Warns Banning Assault Weapons Would Infringe On Americans’ Constitutional Right To Make Them All PayFAIRFAX, VA—Citing the founding fathers’ strongly held beliefs regarding violent retribution, the National Rifle Association warned Monday that a ban on assault weapons would infringe on the constitutional and inalienable right of Americans to make them all pay. “Lawmakers need to understand the importance of having the God-given freedom to enact revenge, a fundamental and part of this nation’s history,” said CEO Wayne LaPierre, claiming that the Second Amendment granted Americans the right to bear arms both for protection and when some miserable bastard absolutely has it coming. Complete article here: NRA Warns Banning Assault Weapons Would Infringe On Americans’ Constitutional Right To Make Them All Pay
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 21, 2019 0:46:06 GMT -5
You said: Clueless, as usual. If someone calls in a bomb threat to an airport or school, you think there should be no repercussion? After all, it wasn't really a bomb, so it's all good?
Did the guy that dropped off the empty rice cookers, call in a bomb threat?
Absolutely clueless. You seemed fine with people making threats online, fine with terrorizing the populace with empty rice cookers, so I asked if there should be no repercussions if someone phones in a bomb threat when there is no bomb. I never said the rice cooker guy phoned in a bomb threat. Your reading and comprehension skills are sorely lacking. You're BEYOND clueless. Oh My God did you hear the news ,, they found a whole bunch of empty rice cookers on the shelves of Target, Nothing is safe any more.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 21, 2019 0:55:12 GMT -5
I will repeat this. The way it was explained to me by a police officer, The can scream all the "threats" they want, if they don't have a physical means to carry it out, means nothing.
A example, I can not shoot some one standing across the street from me because he was screaming threats at me, If they have no means or a way to carry out the threat!
By the way the person that was making threats to me,,
I told him to come right over, he was just across the street, he didn't. wonder why?
That one police officer you talked to may be working on old information, incorrect information, or he has a misunderstanding of the situation. One guy was charged with illegal possession of guns, one for harassment and aggravated menacing (which is a funny and terrible sounding thing). The third guy was charged with threats of mass shootings. Given that the FBI has made these charges very publically makes me think that your one local police man is not correct. We will see if these end up in the courts saying it is unconstitutional. Until the SCOTUS says it isn't, I'm going to take the word of the FBI. Since you have faith in the great way the Federal Government works,, you might read this. If you are still unconvinced as to the ethics of our Federal government. check out Ruby Ridge. Maybe Waco??
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 21, 2019 8:16:56 GMT -5
That one police officer you talked to may be working on old information, incorrect information, or he has a misunderstanding of the situation. One guy was charged with illegal possession of guns, one for harassment and aggravated menacing (which is a funny and terrible sounding thing). The third guy was charged with threats of mass shootings. Given that the FBI has made these charges very publically makes me think that your one local police man is not correct. We will see if these end up in the courts saying it is unconstitutional. Until the SCOTUS says it isn't, I'm going to take the word of the FBI. Since you have faith in the great way the Federal Government works,, you might read this. If you are still unconvinced as to the ethics of our Federal government. check out Ruby Ridge. Maybe Waco??
Why don't you call the FBI and tell them that you talked to a local police officer and you are sure they can not charge the three men, and they should be released. I am sure you can convince them.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 21, 2019 8:28:16 GMT -5
I did call the FBI "ONCE", I briefly spoke to one of the most arrogant persons that I have ever encounter in my life.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 21, 2019 8:45:37 GMT -5
I did call the FBI "ONCE", I briefly spoke to one of the most arrogant persons that I have ever encounter in my life. I had the opportunity to work with numerous FBI personnel over a couple of years when our company's server was being used by someone overseas as a bounce point to make their computer presence difficult to trace. All of the interactions I had were professionally cordial.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 21, 2019 8:54:32 GMT -5
Let me back up a minute.
Coyote - do you truly believe there is no law against making credible threats? Or do you believe there is something in the criminal code that they have been charged with, but it is unconstitutional and should be thrown out?
I am not even sure what we are arguing about anymore. Please let me know.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 21, 2019 8:55:19 GMT -5
Let me back up a minute.
Coyote - do you truly believe there is no law against making credible threats? Or do you believe there is something in the criminal code that they have been charged with, but it is unconstitutional and should be thrown out?
I am not even sure what we are arguing about anymore. Please let me know.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 21, 2019 9:25:29 GMT -5
Let me back up a minute. Coyote - do you truly believe there is no law against making credible threats? Or do you believe there is something in the criminal code that they have been charged with, but it is unconstitutional and should be thrown out? I am not even sure what we are arguing about anymore. Please let me know. Here is the answer. making credible threats?
There needs to be a reasonable expectation that the threats can be carried out. not not a wild figment of some one imagination.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 21, 2019 9:29:08 GMT -5
Credible threat,
If you have some that is really angry with you ,is three foot away, has a huge knife, says I am going to slice you, dice you and serve you for lunch,,
That might be a threat!
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 21, 2019 9:30:24 GMT -5
Let me back up a minute. Coyote - do you truly believe there is no law against making credible threats? Or do you believe there is something in the criminal code that they have been charged with, but it is unconstitutional and should be thrown out? I am not even sure what we are arguing about anymore. Please let me know. Here is the answer. making credible threats?
There needs to be a reasonable expectation that the threats can be carried out. not not a wild figment of some one imagination.
And you don't believe these men were making credible threats? But you do believe if there was a preponderance of evidence that the threat was credible, the charges are justified? (I am not arguing that there was evidence here - just in general.) Does the threat need to be immediate? Or can it be imminent? Just checking. I find we all make assumptions about what each other is saying, and it takes us down dusty roads unnecessarily.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 21, 2019 9:31:05 GMT -5
Making a online threat 1000 miles away no means of transportation,
Not so much!
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