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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 16, 2019 19:29:15 GMT -5
So, paid to attend a trump speech. And if you don't attend you don't get paid. Trump's large union crowd at Shell was given the option of not showing up — and not getting paidThe choice for thousands of union workers at Royal Dutch Shell’s petrochemical plant in Beaver County was to either spend Tuesday standing in a giant hall waiting for President Donald Trump to speak, or to take the day off with no pay. “Your attendance is not mandatory,” read the rules that Shell sent to union leaders a day ahead of the visit to the $6 billion construction site. But only those that showed up at 7 a.m., scanned their cards, and prepared to stand for hours — through lunch but without lunch — would be paid. “NO SCAN, NO PAY,” the rules said. Those that decided to sit out the event would have an excused absence, the company said, and would not qualify for overtime pay on Friday. The company has a 56-hour workweek with 16 hours of overtime. That means those workers who attended Mr. Trump’s speech and showed up for work on Friday meeting the overtime threshold are being paid at a rate of time and a half, while those that didn’t go to hear the president are being paid the regular rate, despite the fact that both groups did not do work on the site on Tuesday. Complete article here: Trump's large union crowd at Shell was given the option of not showing up — and not getting paid
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 16, 2019 22:43:53 GMT -5
Poor fellas!
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Post by mroped on Aug 17, 2019 6:18:54 GMT -5
Ah! The good old days when our communist leaders were doing “working visits” to businesses! That’s how it went! And then the glorious leader would show up, give a patriotic speech, tell some people how to do their jobs(because the man was that good he knew how to do everything) and then be off to the next one!😂
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 17, 2019 9:11:12 GMT -5
What is Trump and the GOP doing for a labor union? What a weird contradiction for those workers. He is propping up the industry, but the GOP would outlaw unions if they could.
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Post by haapai on Aug 17, 2019 9:12:32 GMT -5
I wasn't able to get through the Pitt P-Gaz's paywall so please forgive me if I am asking questions that were answered in the article.
It's not clear from the article whether declining to be (highly-paid) backdrop meant burning a paid day off, which might be kinda precious if you've been working 56 hour weeks for a while. I'd like to know more about how many hours these props have been working on a regular basis and in what configuration. Have these folks been working seven eight-hour shifts for the last several months? Have they been doing six eight-hour shifts a week recently and an extra day has been added? The details matter. I really want to know exactly how many hours of time and a half were on the table and whether it took burning a paid day off to beg off.
I ask because the grandson of my company's founder is running for Congress. I want to make sure that any of my fellow union members recruited for similar suck-up duty are similarly remunerated.
There's also that embarrassing question of whether this corporation just made a fairly large campaign donation in the form of paid actors.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 17, 2019 9:31:54 GMT -5
Show your dislike for Trump, all of you don't bother to show up. Put your money where your mouth is, 1 1/2 times high paying union jobs,,
Oh wait, according to posters here ,, there are no good paying jobs under Trump. Go figure.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 17, 2019 9:34:47 GMT -5
I wasn't able to get through the Pitt P-Gaz's paywall so please forgive me if I am asking questions that were answered in the article.
It's not clear from the article whether declining to be (highly-paid) backdrop meant burning a paid day off, which might be kinda precious if you've been working 56 hour weeks for a while. I'd like to know more about how many hours these props have been working on a regular basis and in what configuration. Have these folks been working seven eight-hour shifts for the last several months? Have they been doing six eight-hour shifts a week recently and an extra day has been added? The details matter. I really want to know exactly how many hours of time and a half were on the table and whether it took burning a paid day off to beg off.
I ask because the grandson of my company's founder is running for Congress. I want to make sure that any of my fellow union members recruited for similar suck-up duty are similarly remunerated.
There's also that embarrassing question of whether this corporation just made a fairly large campaign donation in the form of paid actors.
“Your attendance is not mandatory,”
Put you money where your mouth is! if you don't like Trump, don't show up.
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Post by haapai on Aug 17, 2019 9:57:44 GMT -5
Show your dislike for Trump, all of you don't bother to show up. Put your money where your mouth is, 1 1/2 times high paying union jobs,,
Oh wait, according to posters here ,, there are no good paying jobs under Trump. Go figure.
Believe me, there are poorly-paying union jobs out there. Time and a half is pretty much the only time that many of my coworkers see $15 an hour.
I've been in their shoes. Passing up eight hours of time and a half is really hard to do at that rate of pay. Passing on four hours of pay (eight hours of half-pay) is a lot more doable, but it really matters whether you are given a blanket excused absence or whether you have to use a paid day off. People who earn $10 an hour don't get many paid days off or excused absences. (
I want more details on the price of not whoring yourself. I joined this board because I wanted to talk about money with non-Puritans.
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Post by busymom on Aug 17, 2019 10:18:24 GMT -5
Boy, has union life changed! Dad was in a union, and if they'd been "ordered" to do anything outside of their normal duties, the guys would've laughed, and walked out the door. Or, maybe cussed out the company for even suggesting they be forced to do anything like stand for hours with no lunch. So, the "Kommandant" wants them to stand at attention for their "fearless" leader?!? There's nothing like a command performance.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 17, 2019 10:24:23 GMT -5
Woooo Hooooo, O.C. is first in line pass up money, over something I do not believe in.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 17, 2019 12:47:48 GMT -5
The 'Do' and 'Do Not Do' list:
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Post by dondub on Aug 17, 2019 12:55:26 GMT -5
Fuck you Chris.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 17, 2019 12:57:20 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 17, 2019 13:03:09 GMT -5
Boy, has union life changed! Dad was in a union, and if they'd been "ordered" to do anything outside of their normal duties, the guys would've laughed, and walked out the door. Or, maybe cussed out the company for even suggesting they be forced to do anything like stand for hours with no lunch. So, the "Kommandant" wants them to stand at attention for their "fearless" leader?!? There's nothing like a command performance. I worked in union jobs all my life. Being forced to go to a campaign rally or not get paid? It would never happen. Never. Whoever suggested it would get laughed at and dismissed.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 17, 2019 13:32:22 GMT -5
Does this count as paying for a crowd of "supporters"?
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 17, 2019 13:36:05 GMT -5
Does this count as paying for a crowd of "supporters"? Yes.
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Post by haapai on Aug 17, 2019 13:41:49 GMT -5
Does this count as paying for a crowd of "supporters"? Tis a damn good way to muster a whole bunch of overstretched "jocks".
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 17, 2019 14:00:07 GMT -5
I'm trying to imagine how enthusiastic I would be if I had to stand on my feet all day while skipping lunch in order to be present to listen to Trump take credit for everything good while trashing others for everything bad, in his usual word salad manner. All because I didn't want to get screwed out of overtime pay.
Pretty sure I'd have resting bitch face the whole time Trump yammered.
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Post by moon/Laura on Aug 17, 2019 14:47:03 GMT -5
I want to know how that isn't totally illegal. That has ZERO to do with their job. It's all kinds of fucked up.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 17, 2019 15:42:07 GMT -5
I want to know how that isn't totally illegal. That has ZERO to do with their job. It's all kinds of fucked up. The powers that be called it a 'training day'. Plant management included a few training exercises for the plant workers.
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Post by moon/Laura on Aug 17, 2019 16:04:30 GMT -5
I still call bullshit.
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Post by dezii on Aug 17, 2019 16:15:01 GMT -5
I wasn't able to get through the Pitt P-Gaz's paywall so please forgive me if I am asking questions that were answered in the article.
It's not clear from the article whether declining to be (highly-paid) backdrop meant burning a paid day off, which might be kinda precious if you've been working 56 hour weeks for a while. I'd like to know more about how many hours these props have been working on a regular basis and in what configuration. Have these folks been working seven eight-hour shifts for the last several months? Have they been doing six eight-hour shifts a week recently and an extra day has been added? The details matter. I really want to know exactly how many hours of time and a half were on the table and whether it took burning a paid day off to beg off.
I ask because the grandson of my company's founder is running for Congress. I want to make sure that any of my fellow union members recruited for similar suck-up duty are similarly remunerated.
There's also that embarrassing question of whether this corporation just made a fairly large campaign donation in the form of paid actors.
I believe that with over time , benefits and such...they were talking about $700.00 for the day by attending.....possible I missed something but at time and a half for say eight hours...granted but to lose $700 thats a heavy price to pay for sying home...... no lunch...wonder if the workers could have brought lunch, thermoses...hopefully able to take pee breaks...also had to stand the whole time...
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 17, 2019 16:26:06 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 17, 2019 17:10:05 GMT -5
Can anyone explain to me how this will help Trump win Pennsylvania in 2020? Anyone? No? Then it seems like a good thing to me. Sure, some people were inconvenienced for a day. But if it hurts Trump's reelection chances ..., and at least they got paid.
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 17, 2019 19:41:54 GMT -5
Another good union gal here....I hope all these folks who attended take some of that over-time pay & donate to the candidate of their choice...mainly NOT DT! It would be great if all of them donated to any opposition.
This would never have happened in our union either...Retail Clerks, now known as United Food & Commercial Workers Union.
I hope this action also propels more voters to the polls in Pa. in 2020 to vote against DT!
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 17, 2019 22:28:24 GMT -5
I want to know how that isn't totally illegal. That has ZERO to do with their job. It's all kinds of fucked up. Moon, they did not have to go, It is put your money where your mouth, is,, if you don't want to , no overtime pay, Quite frankly, If I was on this job and Obama showed up for a speech, I would have went to it paid or not. Trump is the President, If this had happened to me the same as above,When Obama, was President, I would have went to hear his speech. There is respect expected for the Office of the President , even if you don't like him, he is still President!
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Post by dezii on Aug 18, 2019 4:51:59 GMT -5
Can anyone explain to me how this will help Trump win Pennsylvania in 2020? Anyone? No? Then it seems like a good thing to me. Sure, some people were inconvenienced for a day. But if it hurts Trump's reelection chances ..., and at least they got paid. Along that line...his quickly fired [11 days I think] press officer believes he decides around March to not run after realizing no way he can win another term...While that would make me clap and cheer I don't think so....yet with the Donald, who knows ….. ---------------------------------------------------- "Former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci said he believes President Trump will drop out of the 2020 presidential race by March of next year. In an interview with Vanity Fair, Scaramucci said lagging poll numbers will cause Trump so much humiliation that he will not want to see himself lose to the Democratic nominee in November 2020" --------------------------------------- www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/anthony-scaramucci-trump-will-drop-out-of-the-2020-race-by-march" -------------------------------------------------------- www.yahoo.com/news/
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 18, 2019 10:14:11 GMT -5
I want to know how that isn't totally illegal. That has ZERO to do with their job. It's all kinds of fucked up. Moon, they did not have to go, It is put your money where your mouth, is,, if you don't want to , no overtime pay, Quite frankly, If I was on this job and Obama showed up for a speech, I would have went to it paid or not. Trump is the President, If this had happened to me the same as above,When Obama, was President, I would have went to hear his speech. There is respect expected for the Office of the President , even if you don't like him, he is still President!
No, it's not. I don't think you know what that expression means.
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Post by moon/Laura on Aug 18, 2019 13:09:41 GMT -5
I want to know how that isn't totally illegal. That has ZERO to do with their job. It's all kinds of fucked up. Moon, they did not have to go, It is put your money where your mouth, is,, if you don't want to , no overtime pay No, they didn't *have* to go. But it should have never have been a choice they had to make in the first place. It is never right for an employer to hold wages hostage over politics. I could see them saying they'd pay OT for anyone wanting to go as an incentive, as long as they didn't penalize those who didn't want to. And yes, withholding what they would have been entitled to on a normal day just because they don't attend a rally is holding wages hostage, in my opinion.
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