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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 14, 2019 21:45:40 GMT -5
Then what do you need his grades for? Clearly, you don't. That was one of the thing that disappeared when Obama was running for president.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 14, 2019 21:46:27 GMT -5
Then what do you need his grades for? Clearly, you don't. Geeees,welts, why do you need trumps tax returns??
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Post by dondub on Aug 14, 2019 21:56:45 GMT -5
Then what do you need his grades for? Clearly, you don't. That was one of the thing that disappeared when Obama was running for president. ThingS
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 14, 2019 22:07:47 GMT -5
That was one of the thing that disappeared when Obama was running for president. ThingS That's funny Don, you have no Idea how many times that I drop the "s" have to go back put in.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 14, 2019 22:08:41 GMT -5
Then what do you need his grades for? Clearly, you don't. Geeees,welts, why do you need trumps tax returns?? Because Harvard has a record of Obama's achievement, while Trump is a big old liar.
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 14, 2019 22:08:59 GMT -5
I learned so much from the last 3 posts. I need to go let it all soak in. If you find yourself agreeing with OldCoyote ,,, Please seek professional help!! I don't think there's a very good chance of that happening. If so then yes, she would need to seek professional help.
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 14, 2019 22:15:11 GMT -5
I'd pit your IQ against Obama's any day of the week. He graduated from Harvard Law school with a Magna C.U.M. Laude, while you can do nothing but post your ubiquitous "WoooHooos!" Thanks to Affirmative Action,, that allowed certain groups a big get ahead step over others,
If I remember right Obama's grades were a little hard to come by,,,,
I bet he didn't threaten lawsuits against the school he went to if they released his grades. Who was it that did that again? I forget.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 14, 2019 22:32:25 GMT -5
Thanks to Affirmative Action,, that allowed certain groups a big get ahead step over others,
If I remember right Obama's grades were a little hard to come by,,,,
I bet he didn't threaten lawsuits against the school he went to if they released his grades. Who was it that did that again? I forget. Geeees, I didn't want to say this, It had have been "Ol Joe Biden" you know he's dumber than a rock!. But he is still Good Ol Joe.
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Post by dondub on Aug 15, 2019 2:17:26 GMT -5
Funny that even now the Repo-Cons can’t help themselves about Obama’s grades. Him being an ‘other’ caused all the racials to go insane like ‘ how is it possible we have a Negro President. We need to examine his grades even though he graduated Magna C.U.M.Laude from Harvard as if any of us know any of that Latin shit. Of course he was only accepted because of affirmative action because no way he gets in on merit. No way’.
And what’s the big deal about Trump’s tax returns? Those Demos are just prying where they don’t belong...
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 15, 2019 6:15:35 GMT -5
Funny that even now the Repo-Cons can’t help themselves about Obama’s grades. Him being an ‘other’ caused all the racials to go insane like ‘ how is it possible we have a Negro President. We need to examine his grades even though he graduated Magna C.U.M.Laude from Harvard as if any of us know any of that Latin shit. Of course he was only accepted because of affirmative action because no way he gets in on merit. No way’. And what’s the big deal about Trump’s tax returns? Those Demos are just prying where they don’t belong... The party of Trump suffers greatly from TDS. One symptom is that President Obama and Hillary live in their heads. They hear voices.....
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 15, 2019 20:10:02 GMT -5
We aren't going socialist. Giving a Medicare option isn't socialism. Raising taxes on the uber wealthy isn't socialism. And asking companies to step up a little and take care of employees better so they don't need government assistance isn't socialism. But, those three things would solve a metric fuck ton of problems in our society, and make life a little better for many, many people. We want free college, waiving of student loans, paid maternity for lord knows how long, free healthcare (yet do nothing about the actual COST of healthcare!). It is in my best interest to have free healthcare that is taxpayer funded as that is what is holding me back from retiring. But in the end, if we are going to be the land of the free stuff, I'm damn well taking advantage of it. Getting welfare would not give me a comfortable lifestyle so I would never go that route. But if I can live comfortably with a lot of taxpayer benefits, I will totally do it. You have to ask for the sun just to get the moon. I think anyone who thinks those things will happen is naive.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 15, 2019 20:14:45 GMT -5
We aren't going socialist. Giving a Medicare option isn't socialism. Raising taxes on the uber wealthy isn't socialism. And asking companies to step up a little and take care of employees better so they don't need government assistance isn't socialism. But, those three things would solve a metric fuck ton of problems in our society, and make life a little better for many, many people. 47% of healthcare in the US is already socialized. having universal insurance is socializing INSURANCE. that was a decent compromise, but nobody likes it, because it is still private healthcare. Medicare for all would be socialized medicine. but the private systems would still be there for the rich.
I am really not sure why everyone goes on and on about how horrible it would be. if you ever visit countries that have these systems, they think they are national treasures, they pay for them willingly, and they can't imagine living without those systems. those are CHOICES that nations can (and in my opinion, SHOULD) make.
our way of doing it is highly irrational. I can explain why if it is not obvious to everyone.
But socialized medicine isn't socialism. If we did Medicare for all, and kept the same basic Medicare, it also wouldn't be socialism. As long as the hospitals, doctors , pharmacies, labs and device pieces are still run by private companies, it ain't socialism.
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 16, 2019 8:43:16 GMT -5
I thought about and talked about this subject last night at dinner with friends.
There were 7 of us. Four were gay and three were straight. Four men and three women. Three white, one black, two Mexican and one Spaniard. Six were born in the US and one wasn't. We are very good friends and have much love for each other.
That is what America is about. Not us vs them or white vs non-white. We're all American and don't see each other as as other than that even though we are all very different. Perhaps some people who don't have that should try to open their eyes and hearts a bit. I for one am very honored to call these people my friends.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 16, 2019 8:57:47 GMT -5
I thought about and talked about this subject last night at dinner with friends. There were 7 of us. Four were gay and three were straight. Four men and three women. Three white, one black, two Mexican and one Spaniard. Six were born in the US and one wasn't. We are very good friends and have much love for each other. That is what America is about. Not us vs them or white vs non-white. We're all American and don't see each other as as other than that even though we are all very different. Perhaps some people who don't have that should try to open their eyes and hearts a bit. I for one am very honored to call these people my friends. Geees, Andi, you just posted my world, how thing are in real life!
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 16, 2019 9:03:40 GMT -5
I thought about and talked about this subject last night at dinner with friends. There were 7 of us. Four were gay and three were straight. Four men and three women. Three white, one black, two Mexican and one Spaniard. Six were born in the US and one wasn't. We are very good friends and have much love for each other. That is what America is about. Not us vs them or white vs non-white. We're all American and don't see each other as as other than that even though we are all very different. Perhaps some people who don't have that should try to open their eyes and hearts a bit. I for one am very honored to call these people my friends. Geees, Andi, you just posted my world, how thing are in real life! Somehow I doubt that. Don't ruin my post about my wonderful friends with your sarcasm.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 16, 2019 9:07:28 GMT -5
Geees, Andi, you just posted my world, how thing are in real life! Somehow I doubt that. Don't ruin my post about my wonderful friends with your sarcasm. No sarcasm at all, you described my life, my friends. In real life I am well liked. If I had been at dinner last night , I would have bought dinner for the whole crew.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2019 9:20:58 GMT -5
I was referring to vacation time as well. in a previous company, I walked away from 8wks PTO (14y with the company) when I left. this current one, US employees earn vacation time at different rates than European and Japanese colleagues. why is that? why do employers not have to offer US employees the same perks as other countries? vacation, maternity leave, all of that. why aren't we having THAT conversation? I'm on board with that conversation because that impacts everyone. It seems all that is focused on is maternity leave. I paid for my maternity, I paid for my college so yes it pisses me off when people want me (either through the company I work for or my taxes) to pay for those same things. But increasing everyone's vacation would benefit all of us. So, the legislative policies of the Unoted States of America should be based 100% on what you (one person) was able to accomplish? Is it possible that our entire society would be healthier and more successful if we were open to things that are working in other successful societies, even if that isn't how we have always done it? Is it possible that we, as a group, could learn and grow if we didn't base everything on the back-in-my-day mantra? I'm not saying we should implement every idea, but our country is so resistant to everything. And it is truly hurting us. If we weren't so darn big, we would be so backwards that the world would avoid us all together.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 16, 2019 9:25:45 GMT -5
I thought about and talked about this subject last night at dinner with friends. There were 7 of us. Four were gay and three were straight. Four men and three women. Three white, one black, two Mexican and one Spaniard. Six were born in the US and one wasn't. We are very good friends and have much love for each other. That is what America is about. Not us vs them or white vs non-white. We're all American and don't see each other as as other than that even though we are all very different. Perhaps some people who don't have that should try to open their eyes and hearts a bit. I for one am very honored to call these people my friends. this is the America I know as well, not what I've been seeing lately. thank you for reminding me it still exists.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 16, 2019 9:33:47 GMT -5
In the United States, virtually every day a new innovative product hits the market,
In Norway, that is pushed as the perfect country,, where you have all kinds of vaca time, real short work weeks,, What is the great innovation they introduced lately??
Kinda funny how hard work produces,, lots of time off means you coast,, what happens when the "ol coaster wagon" stops?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 16, 2019 9:35:51 GMT -5
I thought about and talked about this subject last night at dinner with friends. There were 7 of us. Four were gay and three were straight. Four men and three women. Three white, one black, two Mexican and one Spaniard. Six were born in the US and one wasn't. We are very good friends and have much love for each other. That is what America is about. Not us vs them or white vs non-white. We're all American and don't see each other as as other than that even though we are all very different. Perhaps some people who don't have that should try to open their eyes and hearts a bit. I for one am very honored to call these people my friends. this is the America I know as well, not what I've been seeing lately. thank you for reminding me it still exists. That is because of media that we listen to, instead of what goes on in your real life.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 16, 2019 9:50:31 GMT -5
this is the America I know as well, not what I've been seeing lately. thank you for reminding me it still exists. That is because of media that we listen to, instead of what goes on in your real life. please speak for yourself. I listen to a wide variety of media sources, and the message is still quite similar across the board, of what goes on in this country lately. my personal life is just that, personal, and looks very different from what I see from those drinking the Kool-Aid of the current administration. enjoy your day. I'm not feeding trolls today.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 16, 2019 9:54:48 GMT -5
That is because of media that we listen to, instead of what goes on in your real life. please speak for yourself. I listen to a wide variety of media sources, and the message is still quite similar across the board, of what goes on in this country lately. my personal life is just that, personal, and looks very different from what I see from those drinking the Kool-Aid of the current administration. enjoy your day. I'm not feeding trolls today. Have a good day with OC's blessing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2019 10:54:23 GMT -5
47% of healthcare in the US is already socialized. having universal insurance is socializing INSURANCE. that was a decent compromise, but nobody likes it, because it is still private healthcare. Medicare for all would be socialized medicine. but the private systems would still be there for the rich.
I am really not sure why everyone goes on and on about how horrible it would be. if you ever visit countries that have these systems, they think they are national treasures, they pay for them willingly, and they can't imagine living without those systems. those are CHOICES that nations can (and in my opinion, SHOULD) make.
our way of doing it is highly irrational. I can explain why if it is not obvious to everyone.
But socialized medicine isn't socialism. If we did Medicare for all, and kept the same basic Medicare, it also wouldn't be socialism. As long as the hospitals, doctors , pharmacies, labs and device pieces are still run by private companies, it ain't socialism. all true.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2019 11:02:36 GMT -5
In the United States, virtually every day a new innovative product hits the market,
In Norway, that is pushed as the perfect country,, where you have all kinds of vaca time, real short work weeks,, What is the great innovation they introduced lately??
Kinda funny how hard work produces,, lots of time off means you coast,, what happens when the "ol coaster wagon" stops?
you are half right.
Norway does not have an especially innovative industrial base. but not every innovation comes from here. not even close.
if you look at patent information, a pattern emerges. Asia is inventing most of the stuff we buy and use. the US is 2nd, and Europe is 3rd.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Indicators
and it is really only the fact that we have so many people that we are so "inventive". per capita and per GDP we are not even close to 1st.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2019 12:04:13 GMT -5
In the United States, virtually every day a new innovative product hits the market,
In Norway, that is pushed as the perfect country,, where you have all kinds of vaca time, real short work weeks,, What is the great innovation they introduced lately??
Kinda funny how hard work produces,, lots of time off means you coast,, what happens when the "ol coaster wagon" stops?
you are half right.
Norway does not have an especially innovative industrial base. but not every innovation comes from here. not even close.
if you look at patent information, a pattern emerges. Asia is inventing most of the stuff we buy and use. the US is 2nd, and Europe is 3rd.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Indicators
and it is really only the fact that we have so many people that we are so "inventive". per capita and per GDP we are not even close to 1st.
A lot of our successes are 20% our society's structure and 80% our size.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 16, 2019 12:13:54 GMT -5
In the United States, virtually every day a new innovative product hits the market,
In Norway, that is pushed as the perfect country,, where you have all kinds of vaca time, real short work weeks,, What is the great innovation they introduced lately??
Kinda funny how hard work produces,, lots of time off means you coast,, what happens when the "ol coaster wagon" stops?
you are half right.
Norway does not have an especially innovative industrial base. but not every innovation comes from here. not even close.
if you look at patent information, a pattern emerges. Asia is inventing most of the stuff we buy and use. the US is 2nd, and Europe is 3rd.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Indicators
and it is really only the fact that we have so many people that we are so "inventive". per capita and per GDP we are not even close to 1st.
Looks like we may have "imported" ourselves to 2nd place:
"Innovation by the Numbers In 2013, 51 percent of the 303,000 patents filed in the U.S. were of foreign origin, according to the USPTO. That's a decrease of one percentage point compared to 2012, but about equal to the percentage of foreign patents granted every year for the past decade. To get some perspective, in 1963, only 18 percent of patents originated from foreign sources.
The force of foreign innovation is not only felt in patent creation, it's also in the number of startups foreigners create in the U.S. The two are frequently related, as the company usually commercializes the patented idea or product.
Additionally, more than half of startups in Silicon Valley were founded by foreign-born entrepreneurs, according to Wadhwa and the Kauffman Foundation. (Kauffman's most recent index, released on Wednesday, also indicates that immigrant entrepreneurs are currently starting businesses at a rate roughly twice that of native-born business owners.)..."
www.inc.com/jeremy-quittner/foreign-patents-and-united-states-innovation.html
One might say that those calling for "making immigration white again" (even if they are not using those exact words) should be careful what they are wishing for...
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 17, 2019 8:26:03 GMT -5
In the United States, virtually every day a new innovative product hits the market,
In Norway, that is pushed as the perfect country,, where you have all kinds of vaca time, real short work weeks,, What is the great innovation they introduced lately??
Kinda funny how hard work produces,, lots of time off means you coast,, what happens when the "ol coaster wagon" stops?
you are half right.
Norway does not have an especially innovative industrial base. but not every innovation comes from here. not even close.
if you look at patent information, a pattern emerges. Asia is inventing most of the stuff we buy and use. the US is 2nd, and Europe is 3rd.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Indicators
and it is really only the fact that we have so many people that we are so "inventive". per capita and per GDP we are not even close to 1st.
Asian patenting machine, is a camera. Go to a trade show, the Asians are taking pictures of a innovative product,
next year trade show, a complete line of the product they were taking pictures of the years before.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 17, 2019 8:54:59 GMT -5
you are half right.
Norway does not have an especially innovative industrial base. but not every innovation comes from here. not even close.
if you look at patent information, a pattern emerges. Asia is inventing most of the stuff we buy and use. the US is 2nd, and Europe is 3rd.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Indicators
and it is really only the fact that we have so many people that we are so "inventive". per capita and per GDP we are not even close to 1st.
Asian patenting machine, is a camera. Go to a trade show, the Asians are taking pictures of a innovative product,
next year trade show, a complete line of the product they were taking pictures of the years before.
What do you base this statement on? I heard this rumor a few decades ago, but I have never seen any proof or heard anyone speak intelligently about it. Also, why are people taking unpatented inventions to trade shows? You would think after having so many patents stolen from US inventors for years and years, we would be smart enough to patent something before we show it to the world. Ehat is wrong with us?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 17, 2019 9:09:50 GMT -5
Asian patenting machine, is a camera. Go to a trade show, the Asians are taking pictures of a innovative product,
next year trade show, a complete line of the product they were taking pictures of the years before.
What do you base this statement on? I heard this rumor a few decades ago, but I have never seen any proof or heard anyone speak intelligently about it. Also, why are people taking unpatented inventions to trade shows? You would think after having so many patents stolen from US inventors for years and years, we would be smart enough to patent something before we show it to the world. Ehat is wrong with us? It happens all the time, being patented in one country does not matter to the Asians. A couple of years ago one of the exhibitors, had to kick one of them out of his booth,, the Asian had climbed inside of a piece of equipment was taking pictures of the components inside.
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