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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 13, 2019 8:07:09 GMT -5
trump wants to make immigration white againOn Monday, Emma Lazarus wept. Lazarus, of course, was the poet who celebrated that the United States welcomes the tired, the poor, the huddled masses of other lands. But on Monday, the Trump administration unveiled a new immigration policy that upends that tradition. The poor are no longer welcome. Instead, the immigrants with the best chances at getting past the gatekeepers and settling in America going forward will be rich, credentialed, and white. Under the new policy, federal authorities will use "aggressive" wealth tests to reject residency or citizenship for an immigrant "because he or she is likely at any time to become a public charge" — receiving food stamps or other taxpayer-funded welfare state benefits. And officials can make that determination by considering the migrant's "age; health; family status; assets, resources, and financial status; and education and skills." In other words, the best way to avoid deportation under this new policy is to not be poor. This is a betrayal of America's historic promise: The immigrants who arrived at Ellis Island a century ago did not, for the most part, come here on private yachts or in first-class berths. They came here to build new lives for themselves, and in the process, helped build their new country. In practice, the new rule almost certainly means that more European migrants will go to the front of the line, and people of color will go to the back. According to the Pew Research Center, Mexicans comprise the largest group of migrants to the United States, but they are the group that most often arrives without a high school education. Migrants from Europe are the least likely to do so. And the Social Security Administration has found that first-generation immigrants from Europe and Japan "have initial earnings approaching or exceeding" other groups, including their U.S.-born counterparts. That's the kind of information immigration officials will use to determine who is economically viable — and thus ostensibly worthy of residency in the United States — and who is not. It seems unlikely that the racial component of this is an accident. Trump, after all, once famously lamented the influx of migrants from "shithole countries" and pined for more arrivals from Norway. It was not difficult to understand what he meant. Rule-making on explicitly racial grounds would be vulnerable to a legal challenge, however. Which makes wealth a useful — if dubious — proxy. Complete article here: trump wants to make immigration white again
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 13, 2019 8:30:29 GMT -5
I understand why we would want people who immigrate here need to have financial backing so they don't use public assistance.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 13, 2019 9:07:13 GMT -5
If there ever was any doubt that the WH occupant is a racist asshole, this action should remove any traces
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Post by busymom on Aug 13, 2019 9:08:54 GMT -5
My ancestors who came to this country were definitely NOT rich. The only thing our POTUS would approve of about them, is that they were white. They worked very hard, and made things better for the next generation. It's sad to think that now, they'd probably be shown the door.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 13, 2019 9:16:12 GMT -5
My ancestors who came to this country were definitely NOT rich. The only thing our POTUS would approve of about them, is that they were white. They worked very hard, and made things better for the next generation. It's sad to think that now, they'd probably be shown the door. How much welfare, public assistance did they receive?
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Post by Tiny on Aug 13, 2019 9:54:53 GMT -5
My ancestors who came to this country were definitely NOT rich. The only thing our POTUS would approve of about them, is that they were white. They worked very hard, and made things better for the next generation. It's sad to think that now, they'd probably be shown the door. How much welfare, public assistance did they receive? Have you ever read anything outside of your school provided History class book in school? OR, maybe had an AP History class or maybe had to research and write an essay about some local or lesser known historical figure in HS or College? Have you EVER explored beyond the chapter or two in a HS history book what it was like to live in America before, during, and after the Industrial Revolution? I'm guessing not. FWIW: my ancestors took advantage of public welfare in the form of "public education" and quite a bit of "health care" in the form of free vaccinations and eye exams and other basic health stuff. My ancestors also greatly benefited from "public welfare programs" during the Great Depression. They also benefited from "welfare" as the slums were regulated into actual livable buildings. So, yeah, my ancestors benefit from "welfare" - that probably was one of the reasons they came here from the old country. You didn't have to start with absolutely NOTHING. You might have arrived with absolutely NOTHING... but there was some "infrastructure" in place here so you could go from nothing to something. I'm pretty sure even YOUR ancestors benefited from some "welfare" - unless of course they arrived in America with the clothes on their back and were immediately shuttled out to the middle of nowhere and dropped off ALONE - with just the clothes on their back. I'm sure growing food and building a house was pretty easy - as they Macgyver'd their buttons and belt buckle into a plow and tools. In which case I am in Awe!!!
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 13, 2019 11:01:13 GMT -5
Why would Norwegians want to move here? On average, they would have to work harder, pay almost the same amount of taxes, pay for their health insurance, etc. The Scandinavian countries are some of the best places to live. They have the healthiest and happiest people (on average). The USA does not.
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Post by busymom on Aug 13, 2019 11:22:27 GMT -5
My ancestors who came to this country were definitely NOT rich. The only thing our POTUS would approve of about them, is that they were white. They worked very hard, and made things better for the next generation. It's sad to think that now, they'd probably be shown the door. How much welfare, public assistance did they receive? None. When they arrived in the US, believe it or not, they actually had to sign a document stating they would never take any government aid. (Shocking, huh?) Even though they worked for many years, they weren't able to get Social Security, so my Grandpa worked until he couldn't. Fortunately, he was a good saver, and Grandma knew how to can. And, they lived in a state where, at the time, you didn't have to pay property taxes when you were a senior citizen, so they made it work.
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Post by busymom on Aug 13, 2019 11:24:39 GMT -5
Why would Norwegians want to move here? On average, they would have to work harder, pay almost the same amount of taxes, pay for their health insurance, etc. The Scandinavian countries are some of the best places to live. They have the healthiest and happiest people (on average). The USA does not. Not to mention, new parents get PAID time off to care for their babies. Imagine that!
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 13, 2019 11:26:29 GMT -5
How much welfare, public assistance did they receive? None. When they arrived in the US, believe it or not, they actually had to sign a document stating they would never take any government aid. (Shocking, huh?) Even though they worked for many years, they weren't able to get Social Security, so my Grandpa worked until he couldn't. Fortunately, he was a good saver, and Grandma knew how to can. And, they lived in a state where, at the time, you didn't have to pay property taxes when you were a senior citizen, so they made it work. I have a feeling that the answer to this is related to *when* they got here, but why weren't they able to collect SS? both my grandparents collected until they passed, for their years working in the US before retiring back to Canada.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 13, 2019 11:28:48 GMT -5
How much welfare, public assistance did they receive? None. When they arrived in the US, believe it or not, they actually had to sign a document stating they would never take any government aid. (Shocking, huh?) Even though they worked for many years, they weren't able to get Social Security, so my Grandpa worked until he couldn't. Fortunately, he was a good saver, and Grandma knew how to can. And, they lived in a state where, at the time, you didn't have to pay property taxes when you were a senior citizen, so they made it work. But asking for the same of today's immigrants is now racist....
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 13, 2019 11:29:31 GMT -5
Why would Norwegians want to move here? On average, they would have to work harder, pay almost the same amount of taxes, pay for their health insurance, etc. The Scandinavian countries are some of the best places to live. They have the healthiest and happiest people (on average). The USA does not. Not to mention, new parents get PAID time off to care for their babies. Imagine that! I took a year off with my first. I didn't need the taxpayers or my company to pay me. I planned, saved and had no problem.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 13, 2019 11:38:58 GMT -5
Norwegians have no interest in moving to the USA. Why give up one of the highest standards of living in the world? They have the best education and a superior quality of life.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 13, 2019 11:45:20 GMT -5
Not to mention, new parents get PAID time off to care for their babies. Imagine that! I took a year off with my first. I didn't need the taxpayers or my company to pay me. I planned, saved and had no problem. so you would have turned down the perk/benefit of a year paid maternity leave? I mean, if you didn't need it, after all. do you turn down other benefits?
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 13, 2019 11:48:38 GMT -5
I took a paid year off when I had DS. Why not? My taxes paid for it.
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Post by busymom on Aug 13, 2019 11:51:19 GMT -5
None. When they arrived in the US, believe it or not, they actually had to sign a document stating they would never take any government aid. (Shocking, huh?) Even though they worked for many years, they weren't able to get Social Security, so my Grandpa worked until he couldn't. Fortunately, he was a good saver, and Grandma knew how to can. And, they lived in a state where, at the time, you didn't have to pay property taxes when you were a senior citizen, so they made it work. I have a feeling that the answer to this is related to *when* they got here, but why weren't they able to collect SS? both my grandparents collected until they passed, for their years working in the US before retiring back to Canada. I'd have to research exactly when they arrived, but I believe it was either late 1800's or early 1900's. Most likely the latter. And no, they couldn't take Social Security. Fortunately, my Grandpa was TOUGH. I could tell you a few stories...
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 13, 2019 11:54:47 GMT -5
I have a feeling that the answer to this is related to *when* they got here, but why weren't they able to collect SS? both my grandparents collected until they passed, for their years working in the US before retiring back to Canada. I'd have to research exactly when they arrived, but I believe it was either late 1800's or early 1900's. Most likely the latter. And no, they couldn't take Social Security. Fortunately, my Grandpa was TOUGH. I could tell you a few stories... my grandparents arrived in 1963. that makes sense, then, timing. I didn't realize that SS rules changed at some point. so did they have to pay into a SS system that they couldn't benefit from? that seems beyond shitty.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 13, 2019 11:55:37 GMT -5
Why would Norwegians want to move here? On average, they would have to work harder, pay almost the same amount of taxes, pay for their health insurance, etc. The Scandinavian countries are some of the best places to live. They have the healthiest and happiest people (on average). The USA does not. Not to mention, new parents get PAID time off to care for their babies. Imagine that! Not to mention that here, parents get about $500 per child, per month, to ensure that kids have enough to eat, proper housing, etc. Imagine that!
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Post by andi9899 on Aug 13, 2019 11:56:27 GMT -5
None. When they arrived in the US, believe it or not, they actually had to sign a document stating they would never take any government aid. (Shocking, huh?) Even though they worked for many years, they weren't able to get Social Security, so my Grandpa worked until he couldn't. Fortunately, he was a good saver, and Grandma knew how to can. And, they lived in a state where, at the time, you didn't have to pay property taxes when you were a senior citizen, so they made it work. But asking for the same of today's immigrants is now racist.... If you're not asking everyone and are only asking the dark skinned ones, yes.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 13, 2019 11:56:34 GMT -5
I understand why we would want people who immigrate here need to have financial backing so they don't use public assistance. white people use more public assistance than brown people.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 13, 2019 11:58:29 GMT -5
my ancestors arrived here in the 1640's.
so, any of you newbies should fuck off and go home.
how do you like the sound of that?
not very much, I am guessing.
well, I didn't mean it. you can have this country.
take it.
ruin it.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 13, 2019 12:23:15 GMT -5
How much welfare, public assistance did they receive? Have you ever read anything outside of your school provided History class book in school? OR, maybe had an AP History class or maybe had to research and write an essay about some local or lesser known historical figure in HS or College? Have you EVER explored beyond the chapter or two in a HS history book what it was like to live in America before, during, and after the Industrial Revolution? I'm guessing not. FWIW: my ancestors took advantage of public welfare in the form of "public education" and quite a bit of "health care" in the form of free vaccinations and eye exams and other basic health stuff. My ancestors also greatly benefited from "public welfare programs" during the Great Depression. They also benefited from "welfare" as the slums were regulated into actual livable buildings. So, yeah, my ancestors benefit from "welfare" - that probably was one of the reasons they came here from the old country. You didn't have to start with absolutely NOTHING. You might have arrived with absolutely NOTHING... but there was some "infrastructure" in place here so you could go from nothing to something. I'm pretty sure even YOUR ancestors benefited from some "welfare" - unless of course they arrived in America with the clothes on their back and were immediately shuttled out to the middle of nowhere and dropped off ALONE - with just the clothes on their back. I'm sure growing food and building a house was pretty easy - as they Macgyver'd their buttons and belt buckle into a plow and tools. In which case I am in Awe!!! My Great Grand Mother XXXXX times over was born in New Jersey in 1691, She received a welfare check every week then. Went to Good will for a couple of dresses. stopped by the food bank on the way back already built home. furnished by the Government,,
Which right in line with Obama's you didn't build your anything,, the Government built everything for you,,
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 13, 2019 12:26:33 GMT -5
Not to mention, new parents get PAID time off to care for their babies. Imagine that! I took a year off with my first. I didn't need the taxpayers or my company to pay me. I planned, saved and had no problem. So, only the well-off should have children. In that case, who is going to work in nursing homes, wiping peoples' asses, and who is going to work in the hotels and who is going to work in agriculture, meat-packing plants, etc.? The grown children of well-off parents? No, you going to have to increase immigration. Since the citizens of other first world countries don't want to move to the USA, you're going to have to import a LOT of brown people. Oh, the horror!
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 13, 2019 12:31:32 GMT -5
A note to Moon and the other Colorado posters,, My Grandmother told me about one of her life experinces, when we were on a trip to the Western slope, to visit an aunt and uncle, They had traded their small farm on the Kanacreek, south of Grand junction, for some property at Genoa Colorado on the Eastern plains. They went over Loveland Pass in November, in a covered wagon when my oldest uncle was 9 months old. She sat on the baby's diapers to keep them warm.
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Post by dondub on Aug 13, 2019 12:34:24 GMT -5
Have you ever read anything outside of your school provided History class book in school? OR, maybe had an AP History class or maybe had to research and write an essay about some local or lesser known historical figure in HS or College? Have you EVER explored beyond the chapter or two in a HS history book what it was like to live in America before, during, and after the Industrial Revolution? I'm guessing not. FWIW: my ancestors took advantage of public welfare in the form of "public education" and quite a bit of "health care" in the form of free vaccinations and eye exams and other basic health stuff. My ancestors also greatly benefited from "public welfare programs" during the Great Depression. They also benefited from "welfare" as the slums were regulated into actual livable buildings. So, yeah, my ancestors benefit from "welfare" - that probably was one of the reasons they came here from the old country. You didn't have to start with absolutely NOTHING. You might have arrived with absolutely NOTHING... but there was some "infrastructure" in place here so you could go from nothing to something. I'm pretty sure even YOUR ancestors benefited from some "welfare" - unless of course they arrived in America with the clothes on their back and were immediately shuttled out to the middle of nowhere and dropped off ALONE - with just the clothes on their back. I'm sure growing food and building a house was pretty easy - as they Macgyver'd their buttons and belt buckle into a plow and tools. In which case I am in Awe!!! My Great Grand Mother XXXXX times over was born in New Jersey in 1691, She received a welfare check every week then. Went to Good will for a couple of dresses. stopped by the food bank on the way back already built home. furnished by the Government,,
Which right in line with Obama's you didn't build your anything,, the Government built everything for you,,
Sorry to see you were unable to understand Obama’s statement.
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Post by saveinla on Aug 13, 2019 12:38:07 GMT -5
I'd have to research exactly when they arrived, but I believe it was either late 1800's or early 1900's. Most likely the latter. And no, they couldn't take Social Security. Fortunately, my Grandpa was TOUGH. I could tell you a few stories... my grandparents arrived in 1963. that makes sense, then, timing. I didn't realize that SS rules changed at some point. so did they have to pay into a SS system that they couldn't benefit from? that seems beyond shitty. Does this not work the same way even now? People on work visas have to pay into SS, but a lot of them do not stay long enough to get a Green card or citizenship to get the benefits later.
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Post by swamp on Aug 13, 2019 12:58:45 GMT -5
Why would Norwegians want to move here? On average, they would have to work harder, pay almost the same amount of taxes, pay for their health insurance, etc. The Scandinavian countries are some of the best places to live. They have the healthiest and happiest people (on average). The USA does not. That has to be fake news because socialism doesn't work.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 13, 2019 13:13:14 GMT -5
my grandparents arrived in 1963. that makes sense, then, timing. I didn't realize that SS rules changed at some point. so did they have to pay into a SS system that they couldn't benefit from? that seems beyond shitty. Does this not work the same way even now? People on work visas have to pay into SS, but a lot of them do not stay long enough to get a Green card or citizenship to get the benefits later. I have no experience with work visas. grandparents, aunts, uncles all got green cards. some became citizens, others moved back/retired to Canada. I think my dad is the only one that stayed here and didn't become a citizen. all of them paid in to SS, all that have aged into SS payback have taken it. my dad is the youngest, he's not old enough yet.
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Post by steff on Aug 13, 2019 13:21:23 GMT -5
Looks like I'm gonna win the "most American" award because my family has been here since 1638. Settled in what would become Texas as missionaries. so let's talk about who can get the hell out of MY country.
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Post by souldoubt on Aug 13, 2019 13:37:03 GMT -5
Why would Norwegians want to move here? On average, they would have to work harder, pay almost the same amount of taxes, pay for their health insurance, etc. The Scandinavian countries are some of the best places to live. They have the healthiest and happiest people (on average). The USA does not. That has to be fake news because socialism doesn't work. Democratic socialism seems to work in countries with smaller homogeneous populations. Some of those countries actually have out of pocket healthcare costs that are in line or even slightly more than that of the US. They more or less provide the same level of healthcare to illegal immigrants as the US currently does which is a lot different than what some of the candidates are talking about providing. I know that some of the candidates like to point to these countries as proof it can work but the US with a population of ~330M is a completely different animal.
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