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Post by sesfw on Aug 15, 2019 20:40:19 GMT -5
Bill ......... it's all under one umbrella .......... drugs
Which is the topic of this thread.
I remember the LSD craze of the 60s, and the wacked out weirdos of that time. It's just gotten worse as more people get immune to it.
Now I'm wondering as generations pass and mind altering drugs are more in use, do they affect the basic genetics at any level?
Of course the drug advocates say no.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 15, 2019 20:56:23 GMT -5
Bill ......... it's all under one umbrella .......... drugs Which is the topic of this thread. I remember the LSD craze of the 60s, and the wacked out weirdos of that time. It's just gotten worse as more people get immune to it. Now I'm wondering as generations pass and mind altering drugs are more in use, do they affect the basic DNA at any level? Of course the drug advocates say no. Going beyond illegal drugs, what about how we pump our kids full of ADHD drugs. The doctors wanted to put both of my kids on them. The one graduated with honors and did quite well without them. What does that kind of medication on growing brains do? Something has happened in the last 20-25 year, which is also when they started pumping growing brains with drugs. Correlation? Just thinking out loud.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2019 9:26:51 GMT -5
Bill ......... it's all under one umbrella .......... drugs Which is the topic of this thread. I remember the LSD craze of the 60s, and the wacked out weirdos of that time. It's just gotten worse as more people get immune to it. Now I'm wondering as generations pass and mind altering drugs are more in use, do they affect the basic DNA at any level? Of course the drug advocates say no. Going beyond illegal drugs, what about how we pump our kids full of ADHD drugs. The doctors wanted to put both of my kids on them. The one graduated with honors and did quite well without them. What does that kind of medication on growing brains do? Something has happened in the last 20-25 year, which is also when they started pumping growing brains with drugs. Correlation? Just thinking out loud. Definitely on the legal drugs. Also, our food supply is probably causing problems we haven't discovered yet. So many kids eat nothing but processed foods with lots of chemicals. We should reconsider how schools function. I think so many kids are being diagnosed with stuff is because school is such an unnatural process. I'm not going all earth-lady weirdo, but we could probably reduce classroom time by 30 minutes and let them have more recess during the day.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2019 10:44:10 GMT -5
Bill ......... it's all under one umbrella .......... drugs Which is the topic of this thread. I remember the LSD craze of the 60s, and the wacked out weirdos of that time. It's just gotten worse as more people get immune to it. Now I'm wondering as generations pass and mind altering drugs are more in use, do they affect the basic DNA at any level? Of course the drug advocates say no. no, the drug advocates say it is none of your damned business. you might be altering your DNA with Whoppers. that is none of my business. what I do with my body is none of yours.
but your immune comment is ridiculous and wrong. you don't get immune to neurochemicals. we could spend all day talking about acid if you like, but you don't appear to be interested in facts.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2019 10:45:44 GMT -5
Bill ......... it's all under one umbrella .......... drugs Which is the topic of this thread. I remember the LSD craze of the 60s, and the wacked out weirdos of that time. It's just gotten worse as more people get immune to it. Now I'm wondering as generations pass and mind altering drugs are more in use, do they affect the basic DNA at any level? Of course the drug advocates say no. Going beyond illegal drugs, what about how we pump our kids full of ADHD drugs. The doctors wanted to put both of my kids on them. The one graduated with honors and did quite well without them. What does that kind of medication on growing brains do? Something has happened in the last 20-25 year, which is also when they started pumping growing brains with drugs. Correlation? Just thinking out loud. we tend to medicalize things that are normal behavior.
it is unrelated, imo.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2019 10:47:52 GMT -5
Bill ......... it's all under one umbrella .......... drugs not all drugs are created equal. at all.
for example: when was the last time you heard about a stoned gunman in a mass killing?
never, that's when.
ponder that.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 16, 2019 10:49:24 GMT -5
except she started this thread based on her feelings on pot, and then expanded to infer that she looks down her nose at people who drink, too. good luck with this suggestion.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2019 11:12:51 GMT -5
I should probably take a moment to say that I don't smoke pot. it makes me confused and lazy. I don't like being confused and lazy. so, I don't smoke pot.
so, this is not me advocating pot use. this is me advocating whatever you want to use.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 16, 2019 12:02:29 GMT -5
Bill ......... it's all under one umbrella .......... drugsWhich is the topic of this thread. I remember the LSD craze of the 60s, and the wacked out weirdos of that time. It's just gotten worse as more people get immune to it. Now I'm wondering as generations pass and mind altering drugs are more in use, do they affect the basic DNA at any level? Of course the drug advocates say no. Coffee is a drug. It's a central nervous system stimulant of the methylxanthine class. Some drugs pack a big punch, and some pack a little one. Maybe all the shooters were high on coffee. Are you anti-caffeine?
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Post by tallguy on Aug 16, 2019 12:03:43 GMT -5
I should probably take a moment to say that I don't smoke pot. it makes me confused and lazy. I don't like being confused and lazy. so, I don't smoke pot. so, this is not me advocating pot use. this is me advocating whatever you want to use.My two main issues, that inform pretty much all of my political positions, are individual liberties and equal protection under the law. If any policy or idea violates either of these it must be at least questioned and probably overturned. My position on individual liberties comes straight out of John Stuart Mill's On Liberty: I don't use drugs myself, and rarely even drink, but I would assert my right to do so if I chose. As long as my actions or behaviors affect or harm no one else, society and government have no right to interfere. It is not the proper role of government to protect me from myself. It is a proper role of government to protect me from external threats. Like, for instance, gun owners.
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Post by swamp on Aug 16, 2019 12:17:07 GMT -5
Here is my take on different drugs, based on 23 years of criminal law, and some of my own sampling in earlier years.
I love dealing with stoned people. They're so docile.
Acid isn't even on the map anymore as far drugs likely to be abused.
Heroin addicts/pill addicts who have their fix are pretty chill too. It's only when they're dope sick is it a problem but then they will do some desperate things to get the cash to get their fix. Someone may get hurt in a burglary, but they aren't the target.
Coke heads sometimes get aggressive under the influence, but meh.
Meth heads are freakin' scary.
The gun violence tied to the drug trade is dealer v dealer. It's not some kind of attack because they're pissed off at the world, it's targeted.
Tying drug use to mass shootings in like trying to tie apple production to moon walks. There is absolutely no connections.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2019 13:00:20 GMT -5
I should probably take a moment to say that I don't smoke pot. it makes me confused and lazy. I don't like being confused and lazy. so, I don't smoke pot. so, this is not me advocating pot use. this is me advocating whatever you want to use.My two main issues, that inform pretty much all of my political positions, are individual liberties and equal protection under the law. If any policy or idea violates either of these it must be at least questioned and probably overturned. My position on individual liberties comes straight out of John Stuart Mill's On Liberty: I don't use drugs myself, and rarely even drink, but I would assert my right to do so if I chose. As long as my actions or behaviors affect or harm no one else, society and government have no right to interfere. It is not the proper role of government to protect me from myself. It is a proper role of government to protect me from external threats. Like, for instance, gun owners. another thing that governments should do, imo- and this is really not done ANYWHERE, so please don't take this as a criticism of the US- is that it should regulate quality and dosage of ALL drugs. that would prevent people from overdosing. it would be GREAT if I could go to a government drug store, and know exactly how high/drunk/stoned I am going to get. that would be a SERVICE. I would pay for that.
having a highly unregulated market for drugs kills people.
note: this is exactly what happened during prohibition, and why it ended.
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Post by dondub on Aug 16, 2019 13:04:12 GMT -5
I noted in today's paper something like 30 manoeuvers against the Sacklers and their money launderers for the billions of dollars from their opioid business at Perdue Pharma. That family made a killing!
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 16, 2019 13:12:41 GMT -5
I noted in today's paper something like 30 manoeuvers against the Sacklers and their money launderers for the billions of dollars from their opioid business at Perdue Pharma. That family made a killing! don- there is a "heat map" on the web somewhere of opioid prescriptions per capita by county.
there is some county in CT that had 300+ pills per year PER CAPITA. this is for a highly addictive substance.
so, yeah. the government seems to decide to be the purveyors of the most addictive and deadly drugs, and the most benign ones land you in the prison system. quite a racket, when you think about it.
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Post by dondub on Aug 16, 2019 13:28:02 GMT -5
Street level MJ dealers don't operate PACS giving millions to the pols. And while Trump rails against south of the border drug issues our own pharmaceutical businesses push killer drugs that are laying waste to Americans while scooping up billions. This is one fucked up country.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 16, 2019 15:53:11 GMT -5
Here is my take on different drugs, based on 23 years of criminal law, and some of my own sampling in earlier years. I love dealing with stoned people. They're so docile. Acid isn't even on the map anymore as far drugs likely to be abused. Heroin addicts/pill addicts who have their fix are pretty chill too. It's only when they're dope sick is it a problem but then they will do some desperate things to get the cash to get their fix. Someone may get hurt in a burglary, but they aren't the target. Coke heads sometimes get aggressive under the influence, but meh. Meth heads are freakin' scary. The gun violence tied to the drug trade is dealer v dealer. It's not some kind of attack because they're pissed off at the world, it's targeted. Tying drug use to mass shootings in like trying to tie apple production to moon walks. There is absolutely no connections. So you don’t think the opioid epidemic is an issue because the users are chill?
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Post by swamp on Aug 16, 2019 16:37:54 GMT -5
Here is my take on different drugs, based on 23 years of criminal law, and some of my own sampling in earlier years. I love dealing with stoned people. They're so docile. Acid isn't even on the map anymore as far drugs likely to be abused. Heroin addicts/pill addicts who have their fix are pretty chill too. It's only when they're dope sick is it a problem but then they will do some desperate things to get the cash to get their fix. Someone may get hurt in a burglary, but they aren't the target. Coke heads sometimes get aggressive under the influence, but meh. Meth heads are freakin' scary. The gun violence tied to the drug trade is dealer v dealer. It's not some kind of attack because they're pissed off at the world, it's targeted. Tying drug use to mass shootings in like trying to tie apple production to moon walks. There is absolutely no connections. So you don’t think the opioid epidemic is an issue because the users are chill? Read the next sentence about what they do to get their fix. It’s a huge problem.
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Post by sesfw on Aug 16, 2019 20:21:03 GMT -5
Coffee is a drug.
I don't drink coffee .......... My liquid of choice is water, just plain ole water with a touch of fresh lemon. Winter it's hot, summer it's cold.
You are protesting too much
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 16, 2019 21:12:10 GMT -5
Coffee is a drug.I don't drink coffee .......... My liquid of choice is water, just plain ole water with a touch of fresh lemon. Winter it's hot, summer it's cold. You are protesting too much We get it...you're as pure as the driven snow on a Canadian morning. That being said, coffee is still a drug. Do you think it should be outlawed?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2019 1:27:22 GMT -5
Here is my take on different drugs, based on 23 years of criminal law, and some of my own sampling in earlier years. I love dealing with stoned people. They're so docile. Acid isn't even on the map anymore as far drugs likely to be abused. Heroin addicts/pill addicts who have their fix are pretty chill too. It's only when they're dope sick is it a problem but then they will do some desperate things to get the cash to get their fix. Someone may get hurt in a burglary, but they aren't the target. Coke heads sometimes get aggressive under the influence, but meh. Meth heads are freakin' scary. The gun violence tied to the drug trade is dealer v dealer. It's not some kind of attack because they're pissed off at the world, it's targeted. Tying drug use to mass shootings in like trying to tie apple production to moon walks. There is absolutely no connections. So you don’t think the opioid epidemic is an issue because the users are chill? it's not an issue in the mass murder racket.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 17, 2019 7:37:09 GMT -5
So you don’t think the opioid epidemic is an issue because the users are chill? it's not an issue in the mass murder racket. I totally agree with that. I misunderstood the intent of swamps post. I’ve had 2 cousins die of a heroin overdose in the last year and another one is in jail for god knows how long because of it. Heroin is a hot button to me. It doesn’t make people chill, it ruins lives. It makes former college football stars steal from his mom, siblings and anyone else ha can. It makes a former awesome dad OD more than once in front of his children. It makes his special needs child wins up in a group home because neither parent is now fit to take cafe of him Pot makes people chill. Heroin destroys families and communities.
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 17, 2019 7:56:41 GMT -5
it's not an issue in the mass murder racket. I totally agree with that. I misunderstood the intent of swamps post. I’ve had 2 cousins die of a heroin overdose in the last year and another one is in jail for god knows how long because of it. Heroin is a hot button to me. It doesn’t make people chill, it ruins lives. It makes former college football stars steal from his mom, siblings and anyone else ha can. It makes a former awesome dad OD more than once in front of his children. It makes his special needs child wins up in a group home because neither parent is now fit to take cafe of him Pot makes people chill. Heroin destroys families and communities. And the sad thing about it is, these people more than likely got hooked on opioids pushed by Big Pharm. They got rich and the American public got screwed.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 17, 2019 8:04:12 GMT -5
I totally agree with that. I misunderstood the intent of swamps post. I’ve had 2 cousins die of a heroin overdose in the last year and another one is in jail for god knows how long because of it. Heroin is a hot button to me. It doesn’t make people chill, it ruins lives. It makes former college football stars steal from his mom, siblings and anyone else ha can. It makes a former awesome dad OD more than once in front of his children. It makes his special needs child wins up in a group home because neither parent is now fit to take cafe of him Pot makes people chill. Heroin destroys families and communities. And the sad thing about it is, these people more than likely got hooked on opioids pushed by Big Pharm. They got rich and the American public got screwed. One of the three did start by taking prescription Oxy for a back injury. The other two mds very bad choices that had nothing to do with a prescription.
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Post by sesfw on Aug 17, 2019 11:03:05 GMT -5
coffee is still a drug. Do you think it should be outlawed?
As long as you don't hurt yourself, that my taxes have to pay for your care ............ or anyone else. That you don't have the right to do.
You may do as you wish ........ and have whatever you EARN.
If you hurt yourself, you pay for your own care. If you hurt someone else .......... you deserve whatever you get.
BTW ............. DH#1 was a Navy man ........ he drank coffee and smoked from age 17 until he died of sudden heart attack at age 59. DH#2 was an Army man ...... and he has 2 cups of coffee each day at breakfast.
We have wine and hard liquor in the house. Been here so long it's well aged.
And to anticipate your next question. According to fundamentalist churches I am a sinner of the worse kind ............ I'm part of the Progressive Christianity movement.
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coffee is still a drug. Do you think it should be outlawed?As long as you don't hurt yourself, that my taxes have to pay for your care ............ or anyone else. That you don't have the right to do. You may do as you wish ........ and have whatever you EARN. If you hurt yourself, you pay for your own care. If you hurt someone else .......... you deserve whatever you get. BTW ............. DH#1 was a Navy man ........ he drank coffee and smoked from age 17 until he died of sudden heart attack at age 59. DH#2 was an Army man ...... and he has 2 cups of coffee each day at breakfast. We have wine and hard liquor in the house. Been here so long it's well aged. And to anticipate your next question. According to fundamentalist churches I am a sinner of the worse kind ............ I'm part of the Progressive Christianity movement. I wasn't going to mention religion, and it didn't even cross my mind, but.... Got it. If a person becomes addicted because a doctor over-prescribed opiates, they have to pay for their own care. A person who goes over the speed limit and gets in an accident should pay for their own care. A person who breaks a leg skiing should pay for their own care. A person who gets an STD or HIV should pay for their own care. A person who leaned too far out of a window and fell should pay for their own care. Anyone who hurts themselves through ignorance, neglect or poor choices should pay for their own care. You certainly sound like a conservative Christian to me, hanging on like grim death to every nickel, because, God forbid that nickel should go to someone who needs it. I'm an atheist, and I don't mind my tax dollars going to whoever needs care. People are not infallible. They make mistakes.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2019 23:10:00 GMT -5
it's not an issue in the mass murder racket. I totally agree with that. I misunderstood the intent of swamps post. I’ve had 2 cousins die of a heroin overdose in the last year and another one is in jail for god knows how long because of it. Heroin is a hot button to me. It doesn’t make people chill, it ruins lives. It makes former college football stars steal from his mom, siblings and anyone else ha can. It makes a former awesome dad OD more than once in front of his children. It makes his special needs child wins up in a group home because neither parent is now fit to take cafe of him Pot makes people chill. Heroin destroys families and communities. not to pick nits, but heroin is not the cause of most of the deaths in the last half decade. it is Fentonyl (sic), which is a substance that behaves like heroin, but is not heroin.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2019 23:12:41 GMT -5
coffee is still a drug. Do you think it should be outlawed?As long as you don't hurt yourself, that my taxes have to pay for your care ............ or anyone else. why make that exception?
Whopper consumption costs the American taxpayer billions every year. so does smoking.
are we to say "sorry, Whopper consumers, but you are just going to have to die from clogged arteries in a gutter?"
your argument fails at so many levels that I can't believe I am actually reading it.
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