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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 11, 2019 18:16:38 GMT -5
You could have looked it up just as easily as me. But since you dudn't, here you go. linkThank you for your sarcasm. Interesting. Because if I was not allowed to legally own a gun I wouldn't have a gun. But I guess people hell bent on mass murder do not care much about the laws... You're welcome. In this case there was nothing stopping this guy from buying a firearm. The USAF screwed up.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 11, 2019 18:19:12 GMT -5
Thank you for your sarcasm. Interesting. Because if I was not allowed to legally own a gun I wouldn't have a gun. But I guess people hell bent on mass murder do not care much about the laws... You're welcome. In this case there was nothing stopping this guy from buying a firearm. The USAF screwed up. He also knew he wasn't allowed to own one. Funny thing is, non-criminals will obey the law while people hell-bend on committing a crime will most certainly not.
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Post by sesfw on Aug 11, 2019 18:23:50 GMT -5
I've been smoking for close to half a century.
This explains a lot
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 11, 2019 18:32:22 GMT -5
I smoked it once, that was enough since it made me VERY sick!...and that was back in the late 60's & I haven't killed anyone yet. I've killed a few possums, but no people!
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 11, 2019 18:32:24 GMT -5
If you're looking to blame something other than guns for mass shootings, you'd do better to complain about mental health issues.Thank you for the support ................. back to drugs ............ Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! seriously?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 11, 2019 18:44:01 GMT -5
That is what the Second Amendment sets up. Are you sure it wasn't in the Declaration? "...that among these are life, liberty, and the ability to shoot anyone who looks at you funny." I'm sure. I have a Constitutional right to use use arms to protect myself, others, and my stuff. While most see that as protecting physical body and possessions, others clearly see a right to protect things like ego or status.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 11, 2019 18:46:35 GMT -5
If you're looking to blame something other than guns for mass shootings, you'd do better to complain about mental health issues.Thank you for the support ................. back to drugs ............ FAR, FAR less of a factor than radicalization through extreme-right, racist, white nationalist, white supremacist websites. The KKK was around for well over a century before we started having mass shootings. White supremacy is hardly a new thing. If that was the root of the problem, it would’ve been mass shootings and minority neighborhoods every other year going back a century and a half. Ditto for guns. Guns of been everywhere since our nation’s founding, but the frequent mass shootings are a relatively new phenomenon.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 11, 2019 18:51:01 GMT -5
You could have looked it up just as easily as me. But since you dudn't, here you go. linkThank you for your sarcasm. Interesting. Because if I was not allowed to legally own a gun I wouldn't have a gun. But I guess people hell bent on mass murder do not care much about the laws... Yes, which is why a good background check at purchase is so important to try to keep these weapons out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, because they'll try to obtain them, even if they aren't allowed.
There was a mass shooting in the South maybe 18 months ago. I don't remember the specifics of what the guy shot up (it was a movie theater, I believe) but the guy knew if he tried to buy an assault type weapon in his own state, they would check his prior convictions and find he had one for domestic abuse. So he drove over the state line to buy his assault weapon there, were the rules are significantly less stringent,, and murdered a bunch of people.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 11, 2019 18:59:03 GMT -5
Thank you for your sarcasm. Interesting. Because if I was not allowed to legally own a gun I wouldn't have a gun. But I guess people hell bent on mass murder do not care much about the laws... Yes, which is why a good background check at purchase is so important to try to keep these weapons out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, because they'll try to obtain them, even if they aren't allowed.
There was a mass shooting in the South maybe 18 months ago. I don't remember the specifics of what the guy shot up (it was a movie theater, I believe) but the guy knew if he tried to buy an assault type weapon in his own state, they would check his prior convictions and find he had one for domestic abuse. So he drove over the state line to buy his assault weapon there, were the rules are significantly less stringent,, and murdered a bunch of people.
Extremely sad story...but it kind of proves what I am saying. If someone is hell bent on destruction, they are going to find a way. Right now, crossing state lines to a less stringent state worked. If that didn't, you can always resort to buying them on the street. I'm also not in the camp that semi-assault rifles (assault rifles are banned) need to be legal. But the fact is that before the ban in 1994, we did not have these kind of mass shootings . Something has shifted in our society.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 11, 2019 18:59:49 GMT -5
FAR, FAR less of a factor than radicalization through extreme-right, racist, white nationalist, white supremacist websites. The KKK was around for well over a century before we started having mass shootings. White supremacy is hardly a new thing. If that was the root of the problem, it would’ve been mass shootings and minority neighborhoods every other year going back a century and a half. Ditto for guns. Guns of been everywhere since our nation’s founding, but the frequent mass shootings are a relatively new phenomenon. KKK's preferred method of terrorism was lynching. From 1880 to 1910 there were about 4000 lynchings in the 12 Southern states.
It's easy to overlook that fact because there are almost no memorials for the lynching victims and they tend to be forgotten, except for a few notorious cases.
Blacks could be lynched for trying to vote, for looking at a white woman, for talking back to a white person, for failing to get off a sidewalk and make way for a white woman, even for refusing to sell their land to a white farmer who wanted it.
As for guns being around since the nation's founding - hand guns and hunting rifles, yes. Rapid fire military assault weapons with 100 round cannisters - kind of a newish thing, comparatively.
I do agree with you, though, that something has changed in the last couple decades that makes people more likely to pick up a weapon and try to murder a bunch of people at once. Almost like someone had the idea first, and became notorious, and every disturbed male in the country now seems infatuated with the idea. However, they almost always use some kind of gun - if you don't count Timothy McVeigh.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 11, 2019 19:03:24 GMT -5
I'm curious as to how long one has to smoke pot before becoming a mass murderer. 1 joint, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year? 10 years? 20 years?
Its not just pot and alcohol though. There’s a whole plethora of drugs that didn’t exist 50 years ago, not to mention the interactions between the different types of drugs. And different people have different brain chemistry. Just because something is benign in moderation for 99% of the population doesn’t automatically mean there aren’t edge cases. And you also have a fact that people who are severely mentally disturbed and refused to take their meds no longer get locked up. A lot of crazy pills have some nasty awful side effects. Someone without a strong moral compass isn’t going to take pills that make them feel like shit in order to keep their neighbors safe. And let’s not even get started with what happens when mental illness, (much of which is different brain chemistry) mixes with drug use. There’s a reason why many mental health facilities don’t want to deal with someone who has mental health issues and drug issues. It’s a thorny problem to solve.
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Post by TheHaitian on Aug 11, 2019 19:12:12 GMT -5
FAR, FAR less of a factor than radicalization through extreme-right, racist, white nationalist, white supremacist websites. The KKK was around for well over a century before we started having mass shootings. White supremacy is hardly a new thing. If that was the root of the problem, it would’ve been mass shootings and minority neighborhoods every other year going back a century and a half. Ditto for guns. Guns of been everywhere since our nation’s founding, but the frequent mass shootings are a relatively new phenomenon. Yes because you are NOT black, you dismissed all the shit that the KKK has done. Yes they are so docile, nothing compared to the current mass shooting. In respect to all those that were burned in their homes/churches, beaten to death with no justice, hanged on trees and dragged behind horses or cars throughout the town with the police doing nothing or actually participating, raped, abused with no recourse or threat of being killed or actually getting killed for reporting it : GO FUCK YOURSELF! Because we all know: unless it start affecting the white population, it does not matter.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 11, 2019 19:39:25 GMT -5
You're welcome. In this case there was nothing stopping this guy from buying a firearm. The USAF screwed up. He also knew he wasn't allowed to own one. Funny thing is, non-criminals will obey the law while people hell-bend on committing a crime will most certainly not. A lot of people don't want to obey laws they think are wrong. I bet this guy didn't feel criminal when acquiring the guns, especially if he kinda went through the process, but used a loophole or a broken spot to get the guns. He thought that law was dumb, and the proof that there is such an easy way around the law means it isn't a real law. Unless he bought the guns with the intent to commit a crime, he didn't think he was doing anything really wrong.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 11, 2019 19:48:08 GMT -5
The KKK was around for well over a century before we started having mass shootings. White supremacy is hardly a new thing. If that was the root of the problem, it would’ve been mass shootings and minority neighborhoods every other year going back a century and a half. Ditto for guns. Guns of been everywhere since our nation’s founding, but the frequent mass shootings are a relatively new phenomenon. Yes because you are NOT black, you dismissed all the shit that the KKK has done. Yes they are so docile, nothing compared to the current mass shooting. In respect to all those that were burned in their homes/churches, beaten to death with no justice, hanged on trees and dragged behind horses or cars throughout the town with the police doing nothing or actually participating, raped, abused with no recourse or threat of being killed or actually getting killed for reporting it : GO FUCK YOURSELF! Because we all know: unless it start affecting the white population, it does not matter. Yes the KKK killed lots of people for silly reasons. I’m not here to defend those assholes. But having people show up at a store or school or park and just shoot 20+ people at random every couple of years—That’s a new thing. White supremacy is not. You do make one good point. Why are we so concerned that several dozen people get killed in one spot when equal numbers of people get killed every weekend in senseless gun violence? Is it because a disproportionate share of those crime victims are low income people of color?
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Post by tallguy on Aug 11, 2019 19:56:12 GMT -5
FAR, FAR less of a factor than radicalization through extreme-right, racist, white nationalist, white supremacist websites. The KKK was around for well over a century before we started having mass shootings. White supremacy is hardly a new thing. If that was the root of the problem, it would’ve been mass shootings and minority neighborhoods every other year going back a century and a half. Ditto for guns. Guns of been everywhere since our nation’s founding, but the frequent mass shootings are a relatively new phenomenon. I know a couple of people have responded already, but since you did quote me.... Can you even identify the gross logical inconsistencies in your response? First, the KKK was not a group prone to lone shooters. They were more the lynch mob type. Second, they were not prone to go into crowds and start shooting randomly. They were more a "20 people on horses against one man or one family" type of group. It was not about killing. It was about terrorizing. Killing was just a bonus. Third, their targets were exclusively black, not random. There really were not large assemblies of "targets" for them. If there were, like in a church, the weapon of choice was more likely fire. Fourth, mass shootings are relatively new because of the relatively recent ability to acquire the weapons which allow it. I suppose one could have tried to commit a mass shooting when strapped with a couple of six-shooters, but my guess is the body count would be quite a bit lower.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 11, 2019 20:12:40 GMT -5
The KKK was around for well over a century before we started having mass shootings. White supremacy is hardly a new thing. If that was the root of the problem, it would’ve been mass shootings and minority neighborhoods every other year going back a century and a half. Ditto for guns. Guns of been everywhere since our nation’s founding, but the frequent mass shootings are a relatively new phenomenon. Yes because you are NOT black, you dismissed all the shit that the KKK has done. Yes they are so docile, nothing compared to the current mass shooting. In respect to all those that were burned in their homes/churches, beaten to death with no justice, hanged on trees and dragged behind horses or cars throughout the town with the police doing nothing or actually participating, raped, abused with no recourse or threat of being killed or actually getting killed for reporting it : GO FUCK YOURSELF! Because we all know: unless it start affecting the white population, it does not matter. I think that is what has been bothering me about the sudden battle cry of the left for banning guns now that we have mass shootings where we are all at risk. Where was the cry when it was the young black me in the inner-cities that were being killed day after day (a quick peek at FBI site shows that the black homicide death numbers are not that much lower than the white murder rate, though a much smaller % of the population)? Now that the white people are feeling less secure, the answer is take everyone's guns.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 11, 2019 20:23:04 GMT -5
... Yes the KKK killed lots of people for silly reasons. ... "Silly"? What an incredibly demeaning term.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 11, 2019 20:28:06 GMT -5
Yes because you are NOT black, you dismissed all the shit that the KKK has done. Yes they are so docile, nothing compared to the current mass shooting. In respect to all those that were burned in their homes/churches, beaten to death with no justice, hanged on trees and dragged behind horses or cars throughout the town with the police doing nothing or actually participating, raped, abused with no recourse or threat of being killed or actually getting killed for reporting it : GO FUCK YOURSELF! Because we all know: unless it start affecting the white population, it does not matter. I think that is what has been bothering me about the sudden battle cry of the left for banning guns now that we have mass shootings where we are all at risk. Where was the cry when it was the young black me in the inner-cities that were being killed day after day (a quick peek at FBI site shows that the black homicide death numbers are not that much lower than the white murder rate, though a much smaller % of the population)? Now that the white people are feeling less secure, the answer is take everyone's guns. That doesn't seem quite fair. When it was mostly inner-city shootings like Chicago, there was still a cry to enact stricter gun laws. The problem there is that while Chicago does have restrictive laws it is very easy to go outside Chicago and get whatever you want in places that don't have strict laws. It is probably similar in other places. The fact that we now have so many mass shootings takes it out of the "stricter laws" argument and enables the "ban guns" argument. For whatever reason, one person shooting one person is terrible, but not really a tragedy. One person shooting 20 innocent people at random is.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 11, 2019 20:50:36 GMT -5
I think that is what has been bothering me about the sudden battle cry of the left for banning guns now that we have mass shootings where we are all at risk. Where was the cry when it was the young black me in the inner-cities that were being killed day after day (a quick peek at FBI site shows that the black homicide death numbers are not that much lower than the white murder rate, though a much smaller % of the population)? Now that the white people are feeling less secure, the answer is take everyone's guns. That doesn't seem quite fair. When it was mostly inner-city shootings like Chicago, there was still a cry to enact stricter gun laws. The problem there is that while Chicago does have restrictive laws it is very easy to go outside Chicago and get whatever you want in places that don't have strict laws. It is probably similar in other places. The fact that we now have so many mass shootings takes it out of the "stricter laws" argument and enables the "ban guns" argument. For whatever reason, one person shooting one person is terrible, but not really a tragedy. One person shooting 20 innocent people at random is. There is less public concern when people assume it's criminals shooting each other. I remember plenty of indignation about inner city people shot in random drive by shootings, especially when it was children accidentally killed, but people tend to get less up in arms when they think it's one criminal shooting another criminal, whatever the color.
Mass shootings, especially involving school kids, is a total different type of attack - and gauging by the outrage against the El Paso shooting, where most of the victims are non whites, and the Charleston church shooting, which was all black folks, it doesn't appear that the public is only upset when white people get shot in mass shootings.
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Post by TheHaitian on Aug 11, 2019 20:59:43 GMT -5
That doesn't seem quite fair. When it was mostly inner-city shootings like Chicago, there was still a cry to enact stricter gun laws. The problem there is that while Chicago does have restrictive laws it is very easy to go outside Chicago and get whatever you want in places that don't have strict laws. It is probably similar in other places. The fact that we now have so many mass shootings takes it out of the "stricter laws" argument and enables the "ban guns" argument. For whatever reason, one person shooting one person is terrible, but not really a tragedy. One person shooting 20 innocent people at random is. There is less public concern when people assume it's criminals shooting each other. I remember plenty of indignation about inner city people shot in random drive by shootings, especially when it was children accidentally killed, but people tend to get less up in arms when they think it's one criminal shooting another criminal, whatever the color.
Mass shootings, especially involving school kids, is a total different type of attack - and gauging by the outrage against the El Paso shooting, where most of the victims are non whites, and the Charleston church shooting, which was all black folks, it doesn't appear that the public is only upset when white people get shot in mass shootings.
Please tell me what was done after the Charleston church shootin or what has been done since then? A few mentions in the news for a few days and everyone went back to their business. Tell me why “white” man with mental illness always seems to be captured alive and in great shape after killing many yet a black man can barely escape a traffic ticket alive?
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Post by TheHaitian on Aug 11, 2019 21:03:36 GMT -5
Yes because you are NOT black, you dismissed all the shit that the KKK has done. Yes they are so docile, nothing compared to the current mass shooting. In respect to all those that were burned in their homes/churches, beaten to death with no justice, hanged on trees and dragged behind horses or cars throughout the town with the police doing nothing or actually participating, raped, abused with no recourse or threat of being killed or actually getting killed for reporting it : GO FUCK YOURSELF! Because we all know: unless it start affecting the white population, it does not matter. I think that is what has been bothering me about the sudden battle cry of the left for banning guns now that we have mass shootings where we are all at risk. Where was the cry when it was the young black me in the inner-cities that were being killed day after day (a quick peek at FBI site shows that the black homicide death numbers are not that much lower than the white murder rate, though a much smaller % of the population)? Now that the white people are feeling less secure, the answer is take everyone's guns. You mean like when crack cocaine was destroying black families and inner cities no one gave a damn but now that opioid is affecting all the “white” or right people on all social levels there is suddenly an outcry and now we have an epidemic. Millions have been outsource to combat it... Crazy right! It doesn’t have to be “right” ; just needs to be white.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 11, 2019 21:19:33 GMT -5
The KKK was around for well over a century before we started having mass shootings. White supremacy is hardly a new thing. If that was the root of the problem, it would’ve been mass shootings and minority neighborhoods every other year going back a century and a half. Ditto for guns. Guns of been everywhere since our nation’s founding, but the frequent mass shootings are a relatively new phenomenon. I know a couple of people have responded already, but since you did quote me.... Can you even identify the gross logical inconsistencies in your response? First, the KKK was not a group prone to lone shooters. They were more the lynch mob type. Second, they were not prone to go into crowds and start shooting randomly. They were more a "20 people on horses against one man or one family" type of group. It was not about killing. It was about terrorizing. Killing was just a bonus. Third, their targets were exclusively black, not random. There really were not large assemblies of "targets" for them. If there were, like in a church, the weapon of choice was more likely fire. Fourth, mass shootings are relatively new because of the relatively recent ability to acquire the weapons which allow it. I suppose one could have tried to commit a mass shooting when strapped with a couple of six-shooters, but my guess is the body count would be quite a bit lower. Do you honestly think that there has ever been a time in this country’s history where every single white supremacist was a member of the KKK? Really? I only mentioned the KKK to illustrate the fact that racism has a long history of this country. Machine guns have been around for forever. Gun control has not. If 1930s mobsters could get their hands on machine guns then why the hell would you think that somebody who wanted to do a mass shooting wouldn’t do the same? Guns, loaners, racism, and sexism, have all been with us since long before there was a republican party for you to blame them on. Mass shootings are much newer phenomenon.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 11, 2019 21:22:26 GMT -5
Yes, which is why a good background check at purchase is so important to try to keep these weapons out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, because they'll try to obtain them, even if they aren't allowed.
There was a mass shooting in the South maybe 18 months ago. I don't remember the specifics of what the guy shot up (it was a movie theater, I believe) but the guy knew if he tried to buy an assault type weapon in his own state, they would check his prior convictions and find he had one for domestic abuse. So he drove over the state line to buy his assault weapon there, were the rules are significantly less stringent,, and murdered a bunch of people.
Extremely sad story...but it kind of proves what I am saying. If someone is hell bent on destruction, they are going to find a way. Right now, crossing state lines to a less stringent state worked. If that didn't, you can always resort to buying them on the street. I'm also not in the camp that semi-assault rifles (assault rifles are banned) need to be legal. But the fact is that before the ban in 1994, we did not have these kind of mass shootings . Something has shifted in our society. Could one of the problems be the Internet? Finding like-minded people as one-self these days is easy. They hate the same people 'you' do. One can become brainwashed pretty quickly.
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Post by justme on Aug 11, 2019 21:39:07 GMT -5
Extremely sad story...but it kind of proves what I am saying. If someone is hell bent on destruction, they are going to find a way. Right now, crossing state lines to a less stringent state worked. If that didn't, you can always resort to buying them on the street. I'm also not in the camp that semi-assault rifles (assault rifles are banned) need to be legal. But the fact is that before the ban in 1994, we did not have these kind of mass shootings . Something has shifted in our society. Could one of the problems be the Internet? Finding like-minded people as one-self these days is easy. They hate the same people 'you' do. One can become brainwashed pretty quickly. It certainly doesn't help. I won't blame the internet, but I won't deny that being able to find like minds and justification can send you deeper down the rabbit hole whereas before the internet it might have been harder to find a like minded person. (I first wanted to say crazy person, but honestly a lot of these idiots don't seem to have a mental illness so calling them crazy just allows us to brush it off as a mental illness)
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 11, 2019 21:42:31 GMT -5
Could one of the problems be the Internet? Finding like-minded people as one-self these days is easy. They hate the same people 'you' do. One can become brainwashed pretty quickly. It certainly doesn't help. I won't blame the internet, but I won't deny that being able to find like minds and justification can send you deeper down the rabbit hole whereas before the internet it might have been harder to find a like minded person. (I first wanted to say crazy person, but honestly a lot of these idiots don't seem to have a mental illness so calling them crazy just allows us to brush it off as a mental illness) I’m obviously not in the medical field, but how do these people NOT have some kind of mental illness? Normal people don’t decide to go out and shoot up a bunch of people.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 11, 2019 21:47:28 GMT -5
Could one of the problems be the Internet? Finding like-minded people as one-self these days is easy. They hate the same people 'you' do. One can become brainwashed pretty quickly. It certainly doesn't help. I won't blame the internet, but I won't deny that being able to find like minds and justification can send you deeper down the rabbit hole whereas before the internet it might have been harder to find a like minded person. (I first wanted to say crazy person, but honestly a lot of these idiots don't seem to have a mental illness so calling them crazy just allows us to brush it off as a mental illness) I should not have said the internet might be a problem. It's not the problem. It's a neutral tool. The problem is the anonymous hatred one can express on the internet without repercussion. It can reach wide audiences of like-minded people. Likewise, anonymous posters on the internet can urge angry readers to commit crimes against society. .
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 11, 2019 21:54:03 GMT -5
It certainly doesn't help. I won't blame the internet, but I won't deny that being able to find like minds and justification can send you deeper down the rabbit hole whereas before the internet it might have been harder to find a like minded person. (I first wanted to say crazy person, but honestly a lot of these idiots don't seem to have a mental illness so calling them crazy just allows us to brush it off as a mental illness) I’m obviously not in the medical field, but how do these people NOT have some kind of mental illness? Normal people don’t decide to go out and shoot up a bunch of people. I think someone mentioned earlier that hate is not a mental illness. It is an emotion. Just as too much hate can be destructive, so can envy, fear, pride, guilt, etc. be destructive if not expressed in a rational manner.
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Post by justme on Aug 11, 2019 22:05:23 GMT -5
It certainly doesn't help. I won't blame the internet, but I won't deny that being able to find like minds and justification can send you deeper down the rabbit hole whereas before the internet it might have been harder to find a like minded person. (I first wanted to say crazy person, but honestly a lot of these idiots don't seem to have a mental illness so calling them crazy just allows us to brush it off as a mental illness) I’m obviously not in the medical field, but how do these people NOT have some kind of mental illness? Normal people don’t decide to go out and shoot up a bunch of people. Humans have been killing people for next to nothing for eons. Did all those that killed witches have a mental illness? Those that lynched black people? Those that do honor killings? Those that kill their wife/gf for trying to leave them or some percieved offence? I'm not saying mental illness is never involved, but I don't think it's the majority nor has it been proven it is. I think some people want to believe mental illness is the cause because it's so much easier to say they're "crazy" vs trying to figure out the actual cause and effect or not wanting to accept all parts of human nature. But even that doesn't explain it all as the US is by far and away the leader in these instances and we should look to what's different in our country and then figure out which of the differences is(are) the cause(s).
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formerroomate99
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 12, 2019 3:50:58 GMT -5
I’m obviously not in the medical field, but how do these people NOT have some kind of mental illness? Normal people don’t decide to go out and shoot up a bunch of people. Humans have been killing people for next to nothing for eons. Did all those that killed witches have a mental illness? Those that lynched black people? Those that do honor killings? Those that kill their wife/gf for trying to leave them or some percieved offence? I'm not saying mental illness is never involved, but I don't think it's the majority nor has it been proven it is. I think some people want to believe mental illness is the cause because it's so much easier to say they're "crazy" vs trying to figure out the actual cause and effect or not wanting to accept all parts of human nature. But even that doesn't explain it all as the US is by far and away the leader in these instances and we should look to what's different in our country and then figure out which of the differences is(are) the cause(s). [ You also need to look at different times and places within this country. For example, in the 1930s, people were much more poor than they are now, And there wasn’t much in the way of gun control. But the inner cities didn’t have anywhere near the level of violence they do now and we didn’t have mass shootings either. So the blame inner-city violence on guns and poverty and blame mass shootings on racism sexism doesn’t really pass muster.
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Miss Tequila
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Joined: Dec 19, 2010 10:13:45 GMT -5
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 12, 2019 7:10:03 GMT -5
I’m obviously not in the medical field, but how do these people NOT have some kind of mental illness? Normal people don’t decide to go out and shoot up a bunch of people. Humans have been killing people for next to nothing for eons. Did all those that killed witches have a mental illness? Those that lynched black people? Those that do honor killings? Those that kill their wife/gf for trying to leave them or some percieved offence? I'm not saying mental illness is never involved, but I don't think it's the majority nor has it been proven it is. I think some people want to believe mental illness is the cause because it's so much easier to say they're "crazy" vs trying to figure out the actual cause and effect or not wanting to accept all parts of human nature. But even that doesn't explain it all as the US is by far and away the leader in these instances and we should look to what's different in our country and then figure out which of the differences is(are) the cause(s). I think I have a hard time wrapping my head around how anyone can just start shooting people.
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