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Post by happyhoix on Aug 14, 2019 9:25:19 GMT -5
There is a big shortage of guards at that prison, with many being required to work multiple shifts. Some of them just go outside and sleep in their car between shifts, without bothering to drive home and back. The night this happened the two guards supposed to be watching that block may have fallen asleep for 3 hours. The prison went back and reviewed the footage of their security cameras and there is no evidence they did their rounds for 3 hours - they think the guards falsified their inspection sheets in order to cover up their naps. As with most conspiracies, I doubt this is any grand scheme by outside forces. I doubt Prince Andrew had 007 ninja his way into the prison to do arrange a fake suicide. Occam's Razor says overworked guards napped through it. Won't matter to most of the conspiracy minded people, though. This will be like Jimmy Hoffa-a never ending legend.
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Post by swamp on Aug 14, 2019 9:37:44 GMT -5
If the Clintons are that powerful, why did Hilary lose? I'm sure she could have had a few of the right people whacked before the election to insure her victory.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 14, 2019 10:20:40 GMT -5
I'm not really paying much attention to this, but, did I hear that he committed suicide after a bunch of documents were released? If someone needed to kill him, wouldn't they have done it before all those documents got out?
I kinda laugh at the "full investigation, truth must be found" approach that this is getting. People commit suicide and get murdered in prison all the time, and no one really cares. This is only juicy because each side believes the other side is involved.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 14, 2019 11:07:52 GMT -5
I'm not really paying much attention to this, but, did I hear that he committed suicide after a bunch of documents were released? If someone needed to kill him, wouldn't they have done it before all those documents got out? I kinda laugh at the "full investigation, truth must be found" approach that this is getting. People commit suicide and get murdered in prison all the time, and no one really cares. This is only juicy because each side claims to believe s the other side is involved. Really? I went and fixed it for you
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 14, 2019 11:13:58 GMT -5
Ah, but who has the most to lose if Epstein's "client" list gets out, with proof? No offense on the Clintons, but their time has been & gone. The ones who have the most to fear, are those currently in power. Yeah, I know, the next great maybe for Trump. I really don't pay attention to that approach. I can't even remember all the maybes anymore, since he got into office. As far as I'm concerned, he is well able to take care of himself. As an aside, I think the democrats are over playing it too long, and the effectiveness is reduced for energizing their voter base. Too many times where it came to nothing, in regards to Trump. He says as the Conservatives are still talking about Bill and Hillary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 13:22:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I know, the next great maybe for Trump. I really don't pay attention to that approach. I can't even remember all the maybes anymore, since he got into office. As far as I'm concerned, he is well able to take care of himself. As an aside, I think the democrats are over playing it too long, and the effectiveness is reduced for energizing their voter base. Too many times where it came to nothing, in regards to Trump. He says as the Conservatives are still talking about Bill and Hillary. So Bill or Hillary are running for office ? Or is your comment on one part of my sentence, taken out of the next election context it was placed in, how you think ? There was the comma, and the rest of the sentence. I hope you don't vote in this country.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 13:25:20 GMT -5
If the Clintons are that powerful, why did Hilary lose? I'm sure she could have had a few of the right people whacked before the election to insure her victory. Nah, suspicious deaths tend to work against you. More only makes it worse.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 14, 2019 13:46:27 GMT -5
... suspicious deaths ... Suspicious is in the mind of the beholder. I find nothing suspicious about a 66 year old rich guy facing living out the last years of his life in prison as a convicted sex abuser and trafficker of young women killing himself.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 14, 2019 14:04:08 GMT -5
I'm not really paying much attention to this, but, did I hear that he committed suicide after a bunch of documents were released? If someone needed to kill him, wouldn't they have done it before all those documents got out? I kinda laugh at the "full investigation, truth must be found" approach that this is getting. People commit suicide and get murdered in prison all the time, and no one really cares. This is only juicy because each side claims to believe s the other side is involved. Really? I went and fixed it for you My phone is not displaying any changes, so I don't know what part I said was so questionable. If you would like to elaborate further, the app doesn't show me bold, line-outs, italics, colors or different font sizes. You will have to use your words to tell me what you think.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 14, 2019 14:39:25 GMT -5
Really? I went and fixed it for you My phone is not displaying any changes, so I don't know what part I said was so questionable. If you would like to elaborate further, the app doesn't show me bold, line-outs, italics, colors or different font sizes. You will have to use your words to tell me what you think. He said each side CLAIMS to believe the other side is involved.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 14, 2019 14:42:58 GMT -5
Startling difference there. That should take this discussion in a whole new direction.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 14, 2019 14:44:24 GMT -5
Startling difference there. That should take this discussion in a whole new direction.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 15, 2019 8:13:24 GMT -5
There's a headline at the WaPo (which I can't get to to read) that suggests the bones broken in Epstein's neck are more suggestive of manual strangulation.
Autopsy finds broken bones in Epstein’s neck, deepening questions around his death Experts say a broken hyoid bone happens in suicide by hanging but is more typical in homicide by strangulation.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 15, 2019 8:30:30 GMT -5
Any video of people coming and going from the jail as or will so disappear!!
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Post by resolution on Aug 15, 2019 8:33:33 GMT -5
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 15, 2019 8:34:58 GMT -5
Thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 12:44:30 GMT -5
... suspicious deaths ... Suspicious is in the mind of the beholder. I find nothing suspicious about a 66 year old rich guy facing living out the last years of his life in prison as a convicted sex abuser and trafficker of young women. killing himself. Suspicious is in the mind of the beholder. I find nothing suspicious about a 66 year old rich guy facing living out the last years of his life in prison as a convicted sex abuser and trafficker of young women, who was involved with the Clintons, not surviving very long. (fixed)
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 15, 2019 12:51:23 GMT -5
Suspicious is in the mind of the beholder. I find nothing suspicious about a 66 year old rich guy facing living out the last years of his life in prison as a convicted sex abuser and trafficker of young women. killing himself. Suspicious is in the mind of the beholder. I find nothing suspicious about a 66 year old rich guy facing living out the last years of his life in prison as a convicted sex abuser and trafficker of young women, who was involved with the Clintons. (fixed) No, that isn't a "fix" of my thinking on the issue.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 15, 2019 12:52:39 GMT -5
Suspicious is in the mind of the beholder. I find nothing suspicious about a 66 year old rich guy facing living out the last years of his life in prison as a convicted sex abuser and trafficker of young women. killing himself. Suspicious is in the mind of the beholder. I find nothing suspicious about a 66 year old rich guy facing living out the last years of his life in prison as a convicted sex abuser and trafficker of young women, who was involved with many people the Clintons, not surviving very long. (fixed) Fixed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 13:01:54 GMT -5
Suspicious is in the mind of the beholder. I find nothing suspicious about a 66 year old rich guy facing living out the last years of his life in prison as a convicted sex abuser and trafficker of young women, who was involved with many people the Clintons, not surviving very long. (fixed) Fixed Nah, my fix was the correct one, only the Clintons have a notable number of 'convenient' deaths attributed to them. It's just one more, and actually not that notable. It will quickly disappear from the news cycle if there is even a hint of a connection to the Clintons. Those journalists value their lives.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 13:05:33 GMT -5
Suspicious is in the mind of the beholder. I find nothing suspicious about a 66 year old rich guy facing living out the last years of his life in prison as a convicted sex abuser and trafficker of young women, who was involved with the Clintons. (fixed) No, that isn't a "fix" of my thinking on the issue. You might want to note my little "(humor)" note on my first post on this subject. ymam.proboards.com/post/3029417/thread
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 15, 2019 13:10:50 GMT -5
No, that isn't a "fix" of my thinking on the issue. You might want to note my little "(humor)" note on my first post on this subject. Accusing people of murder is not excusable with a "little ' (humor)' note".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 13:15:48 GMT -5
You might want to note my little "(humor)" note on my first post on this subject. Accusing people of murder is not excusable with a "little ' (humor)' note". It is when it's humor. ...and they're guilty as hell.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2019 9:12:58 GMT -5
Accusing people of murder is actually a pretty serious thing. I think something is wrong when people are glib about such an accusation.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 16, 2019 9:22:34 GMT -5
There is a big shortage of guards at that prison, with many being required to work multiple shifts. Some of them just go outside and sleep in their car between shifts, without bothering to drive home and back. The night this happened the two guards supposed to be watching that block may have fallen asleep for 3 hours. The prison went back and reviewed the footage of their security cameras and there is no evidence they did their rounds for 3 hours - they think the guards falsified their inspection sheets in order to cover up their naps. As with most conspiracies, I doubt this is any grand scheme by outside forces. I doubt Prince Andrew had 007 ninja his way into the prison to do arrange a fake suicide. Occam's Razor says overworked guards napped through it. Won't matter to most of the conspiracy minded people, though. This will be like Jimmy Hoffa-a never ending legend. Oh Boy, Government employees fail to do their jobs, falsifying documents, Then because they are government employees,,
All the excuses in the World,, about how tough it is to do their job,,
In the real World you would have been fired!!
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2019 9:31:50 GMT -5
There is a big shortage of guards at that prison, with many being required to work multiple shifts. Some of them just go outside and sleep in their car between shifts, without bothering to drive home and back. The night this happened the two guards supposed to be watching that block may have fallen asleep for 3 hours. The prison went back and reviewed the footage of their security cameras and there is no evidence they did their rounds for 3 hours - they think the guards falsified their inspection sheets in order to cover up their naps. As with most conspiracies, I doubt this is any grand scheme by outside forces. I doubt Prince Andrew had 007 ninja his way into the prison to do arrange a fake suicide. Occam's Razor says overworked guards napped through it. Won't matter to most of the conspiracy minded people, though. This will be like Jimmy Hoffa-a never ending legend. Oh Boy, Government employees fail to do their jobs, falsifying documents, Then because they are government employees,,
All the excuses in the World,, about how tough it is to do their job,,
In the real World you would have been fired!!
Are they government employees? I thought all the prisons were run by private for-profit companies. No?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 16, 2019 9:36:24 GMT -5
Oh Boy, Government employees fail to do their jobs, falsifying documents, Then because they are government employees,,
All the excuses in the World,, about how tough it is to do their job,,
In the real World you would have been fired!!
Are they government employees? I thought all the prisons were run by private for-profit companies. No? NO.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 16, 2019 9:38:36 GMT -5
Haven't you been paying attention to the AZ State run prison problems,,
I mean, jail doors that don't lock,, you have to be kidding!
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 16, 2019 9:40:19 GMT -5
If the Clintons are that powerful, why did Hilary lose? I'm sure she could have had a few of the right people whacked before the election to insure her victory. That's cause Hillary thought She had it in the bag, went into coast mode, long before the election was over!
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2019 9:43:06 GMT -5
Haven't you been paying attention to the AZ State run prison problems,,
I mean, jail doors that don't lock,, you have to be kidding!
No. I have not. The prison system does not intersect with my life.
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