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Post by swamp on Aug 9, 2019 11:48:32 GMT -5
Hiring undocumented workers IS illegal. The employers who knowingly hired 600 undocumented workers broke the law. Why arent' they being arrested? I don't know about arresting the CEO of the company (unless that was direct evidence that he personally hired them) but there should be an extremely punitive fine levied against the company. So harsh that it makes other employers think twice about hiring an illegal. Right now, the fines are so low that it's fiscally more prudent to continue to hire illegal immigrants and pay the fines. Because of this, I don't think the feds are really interested in stopping illegal immigration. Stopping illegal immigration would fuck with our economy and food prices would skyrocket, and cause them lots of backlash. It's easier to make some newspaper noise and have a few rounds ups to make them look like they're doing something.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 9, 2019 11:54:12 GMT -5
Exactly. The problem remains unsolved because nobody really wants to solve it. If they did, they would go after the employers first.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 9, 2019 11:56:37 GMT -5
Miss Tequila This fine in 2010 and they were in the current raid.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 9, 2019 11:58:48 GMT -5
Miss Tequila This fine in 2010 and they were in the current raid. So did E-Verify stop working in the last nine years, or did it never make it down to Mississippi?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 9, 2019 12:01:44 GMT -5
Maybe they ignored it.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 9, 2019 12:06:18 GMT -5
Miss Tequila This fine in 2010 and they were in the current raid. All that tells me is that the fine wasn't punitive enough. Make it $5m and maybe they would think twice next time.
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Post by swamp on Aug 9, 2019 12:07:24 GMT -5
Miss Tequila This fine in 2010 and they were in the current raid. All that tells me is that the fine wasn't punitive enough. Make it $5m and maybe they would think twice next time.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 9, 2019 12:09:34 GMT -5
My question is, why weren’t the owners/employers arrested? Isn’t hiring an undocumented worker illegal? Is the law being selectively enforced? Why would hiring undocumented workers be illegal ? These employers are helping these immigrants support their children, after they are released from the concentration camps on the border. While they await their asylum hearing date. Sanctuary companies? And here I thought the trumpies hate anything to do with santuaries
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 9, 2019 12:10:10 GMT -5
Miss Tequila This fine in 2010 and they were in the current raid. So did E-Verify stop working in the last nine years, or did it never make it down to Mississippi? The way I understand e verify, as long as it comes back as a valid ss number they are good to be hired. Many ss numbers have been stolen. Am I incorrect? Maybe as long as they cannot tie the number to another person it just comes back as ok.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 9, 2019 12:14:11 GMT -5
I don't know about arresting the CEO of the company (unless that was direct evidence that he personally hired them) but there should be an extremely punitive fine levied against the company. So harsh that it makes other employers think twice about hiring an illegal. Right now, the fines are so low that it's fiscally more prudent to continue to hire illegal immigrants and pay the fines. Because of this, I don't think the feds are really interested in stopping illegal immigration. Stopping illegal immigration would fuck with our economy and food prices would skyrocket, and cause them lots of backlash. It's easier to make some newspaper noise and have a few rounds ups to make them look like they're doing something. I can see why hypocritical conservatives would be ok with this (I'm actually not ok with this, btw), but how are liberals? We are taking advantage of the most vulnerable people and no one cares? Our food prices would skyrocket because these people are getting paid next to nothing to work. How is that not inflaming those that are for the poor and vulnerable?
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Post by swamp on Aug 9, 2019 12:25:04 GMT -5
Right now, the fines are so low that it's fiscally more prudent to continue to hire illegal immigrants and pay the fines. Because of this, I don't think the feds are really interested in stopping illegal immigration. Stopping illegal immigration would fuck with our economy and food prices would skyrocket, and cause them lots of backlash. It's easier to make some newspaper noise and have a few rounds ups to make them look like they're doing something. I can see why hypocritical conservatives would be ok with this (I'm actually not ok with this, btw), but how are liberals? We are taking advantage of the most vulnerable people and no one cares? Our food prices would skyrocket because these people are getting paid next to nothing to work. How is that not inflaming those that are for the poor and vulnerable? I have no idea what a "liberal" thinks, I just have my own opinion, and I think most people do too. Very rarely does anyone fall solely into a conservative or liberal stance unless they are just spewing talking points and not thinking for themselves. I care we are taking advantage of vulnerable people. Illlegals know that if they complain, they get fired and they have no recourse. I also worry about food prices. Having a hungry population is a recipe for civil unrest. Also, requiring people to spend more on food would be at the expense of other spending, causing a recession. It's a tough problem that isn't solved by walls, soundbites, or "sending them back." We have an economy that relies on paying vulnerable people below market value. Either we accept it, and try to strenghten the protections for them, or we crack down on the employers and accept that we will be paying more for food.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 9, 2019 12:29:39 GMT -5
I can see why hypocritical conservatives would be ok with this (I'm actually not ok with this, btw), but how are liberals? We are taking advantage of the most vulnerable people and no one cares? Our food prices would skyrocket because these people are getting paid next to nothing to work. How is that not inflaming those that are for the poor and vulnerable? I have no idea what a "liberal" thinks, I just have my own opinion, and I think most people do too. Very rarely does anyone fall solely into a conservative or liberal stance unless they are just spewing talking points and not thinking for themselves. I care we are taking advantage of vulnerable people. Illlegals know that if they complain, they get fired and they have no recourse. I also worry about food prices. Having a hungry population is a recipe for civil unrest. Also, requiring people to spend more on food would be at the expense of other spending, causing a recession. It's a tough problem that isn't solved by walls, soundbites, or "sending them back." We have an economy that relies on paying vulnerable people below market value. Either we accept it, and try to strenghten the protections for them, or we crack down on the employers and accept that we will be paying more for food. Following that logic, won't increasing the minimum wage to $15/hr (more than double what the minimum wage is in my area) have the same impact? Everyone will be paying more because employers are going to pass the cost on, and if they can't pass the cost on they will be reducing headcount and forcing more productivity out of the current workers.
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Post by swamp on Aug 9, 2019 12:36:17 GMT -5
I have no idea what a "liberal" thinks, I just have my own opinion, and I think most people do too. Very rarely does anyone fall solely into a conservative or liberal stance unless they are just spewing talking points and not thinking for themselves. I care we are taking advantage of vulnerable people. Illlegals know that if they complain, they get fired and they have no recourse. I also worry about food prices. Having a hungry population is a recipe for civil unrest. Also, requiring people to spend more on food would be at the expense of other spending, causing a recession. It's a tough problem that isn't solved by walls, soundbites, or "sending them back." We have an economy that relies on paying vulnerable people below market value. Either we accept it, and try to strenghten the protections for them, or we crack down on the employers and accept that we will be paying more for food. Following that logic, won't increasing the minimum wage to $15/hr (more than double what the minimum wage is in my area) have the same impact? Everyone will be paying more because employers are going to pass the cost on, and if they can't pass the cost on they will be reducing headcount and forcing more productivity out of the current workers. yes, probably. Like I said, our economy as it currently stands, relies on illegal immigrants.
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Post by swamp on Aug 9, 2019 12:37:35 GMT -5
Why would hiring undocumented workers be illegal ? These employers are helping these immigrants support their children, after they are released from the concentration camps on the border. While they await their asylum hearing date. It's somewhat self evident that during that very long and arduous process of getting citizenship, they should be working to care for themselves and their children. Paying taxes too. What's wrong with that ? nothing. we should probably have a guest worker/asylum seeker program that allows people to do that. Right now, they aren't supposed to work.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 9, 2019 12:38:26 GMT -5
Here are the rest of the companies involved.
Koch Foods plant in Morton, Peco Foods in Walnut Grove, Canton, and Bay Springs, PH Food Inc. in Morton, Pearl River Foods in Carthage and A&B Inc. in Pelahatchie
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 12:40:37 GMT -5
Why would hiring undocumented workers be illegal ? These employers are helping these immigrants support their children, after they are released from the concentration camps on the border. While they await their asylum hearing date. Hiring undocumented workers IS illegal. The employers who knowingly hired 600 undocumented workers broke the law. Why arent' they being arrested?I don't know. All's I know is I see nothing wrong with them working. We shouldn't be supplying free day care to citizens from failed hellholes, as I've seen described. They don't mind working either, as it's better than going back. Imagine the dismay on the far left, of people coming here and 'wanting' to work. Could be a reason why certain individuals seem so concerned about this. They seem to have no interest in living on the liberal plantation. (Candace Owens)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 12:42:24 GMT -5
It's somewhat self evident that during that very long and arduous process of getting citizenship, they should be working to care for themselves and their children. Paying taxes too. What's wrong with that ? nothing. we should probably have a guest worker/asylum seeker program that allows people to do that. Right now, they aren't supposed to work. I kind of view it as the DACA thing, it's not legal, but not really enforced either, as it's the right thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 13:20:02 GMT -5
Why would hiring undocumented workers be illegal ? These employers are helping these immigrants support their children, after they are released from the concentration camps on the border. While they await their asylum hearing date. ? Sanctuary cities that don't immediately shoot illegals on the spot are all wrong, but employers who enable them are good? What the actual fuck? Really ! What cities shoot illegals on the spot. I never heard that one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 13:42:26 GMT -5
Why would hiring undocumented workers be illegal ? These employers are helping these immigrants support their children, after they are released from the concentration camps on the border. While they await their asylum hearing date. Sanctuary companies? And here I thought the trumpies hate anything to do with santuaries Your posts are starting to sound consistent. Consistently ignorant. Your posting name applies quite well. Is that your intent ?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 9, 2019 13:44:03 GMT -5
So did E-Verify stop working in the last nine years, or did it never make it down to Mississippi? The way I understand e verify, as long as it comes back as a valid ss number they are good to be hired. Many ss numbers have been stolen. Am I incorrect? Maybe as long as they cannot tie the number to another person it just comes back as ok. The company that I mentioned that starts with T, part of the major bust was the fact that they are manufacturing paperwork for illegal workers and then use that to "prove" they are legal. The plant is still going strong and the company is a major player in the food industry. This is not the first time they've been busted either.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 9, 2019 13:46:26 GMT -5
Sanctuary companies? And here I thought the trumpies hate anything to do with santuaries Your posts are starting to sound consistent. Consistently ignorant. Your posting name applies quite well. They are only starting to? Crimmeney, either I have been quite inconsistent over time or you are incredibly slow on the uptake.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 13:49:38 GMT -5
Your posts are starting to sound consistent. Consistently ignorant. Your posting name applies quite well. They are only starting to? Crimmeney, either I have been quite inconsistent over time or you are incredibly slow on the uptake.
Due to the depth of your posts, I hope you understand that I only pay them a passing notice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 13:51:54 GMT -5
The way I understand e verify, as long as it comes back as a valid ss number they are good to be hired. Many ss numbers have been stolen. Am I incorrect? Maybe as long as they cannot tie the number to another person it just comes back as ok. The company that I mentioned that starts with T, part of the major bust was the fact that they are manufacturing paperwork for illegal workers and then use that to "prove" they are legal. The plant is still going strong and the company is a major player in the food industry. This is not the first time they've been busted either. I'm guessing Tyson ? Have they been fined in any way ?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 9, 2019 13:59:39 GMT -5
... I don't know about arresting the CEO of the company (unless that was direct evidence that he personally hired them) ... Creating and profiting from a corporate culture in which it was understood by underlings that they needed to hire illegals to have a desired level of profit is good enough for me.
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Post by swamp on Aug 9, 2019 13:59:40 GMT -5
The company that I mentioned that starts with T, part of the major bust was the fact that they are manufacturing paperwork for illegal workers and then use that to "prove" they are legal. The plant is still going strong and the company is a major player in the food industry. This is not the first time they've been busted either. I'm guessing Tyson ? Have they been fined in any way ? a quick google search gave me a shit ton. You mentioned before that the companies take advantage of vulnerable people. Here's an interesting article I found during my search. www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/08/exploitation-and-abuse-at-the-chicken-plant
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 14:10:28 GMT -5
I don't condone anyone working under those conditions.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2019 14:17:18 GMT -5
Why would hiring undocumented workers be illegal ? These employers are helping these immigrants support their children, after they are released from the concentration camps on the border. While they await their asylum hearing date. Evidently the liberals here expect the people to come here and not actually work, because they are illegal even in their eyes. Nope.
We're evidently better businessmen that the far right is.
If there were no one willing to hire illegals, there would be no illegals attempting to come into the country. They come here to work, if they can't work, they'd go home.
Don't believe me? In north GA they have a bunch of textile/carpet mills. In the big recession, so many Hispanics left and went home when the mill work dried up, that they had to close several schools, consolidate them down into fewer schools, and let a bunch of teachers go. It's cheaper to be broke in Mexico than in the US, evidently.
Illegal immigrants are like racoons getting into your garbage can. No one wants a bunch of damn raccoons eating the garbage. The GOP wants to try to track down and eliminate every raccoon, or trap it and move it someplace else. The Dems want to move the garbage cans inside the garage, and keep them locked up at night. Which solution is cheaper and easier to do? Then why does the GOP insist on going after each illegal, instead of locking up the garbage bins at night? It's because multiple different industries (including Trump's) rely on cheap illegal labor to make good profits. The hospitality industry, the lawncare service industry, the construction industry, meat processing plants, textile mills, agribusiness - all of them with lobbyists who donate big bucks to politicians to keep up the charade of having to catch and release each individual illegal.
We could fix this overnight with a guest worker program, and if we started really enforcing the rules on employers not hiring illegals. There is a federal database you can use to check someone's green card status. Go in and seize a few chicken plants and farms to show you're serious, just like we seize drug lords' cars and houses - it won't take much to make the illegal employers realize it's bad business to hire illegals. As guest workers, the workers would have rights, could demand a fair wage and could protect themselves from discrimination without fear that ICE would come arrest them if they complained.
But no, the GOP keeps wailing about the floods of brown people, rather taking some simple steps to keep the racoons out of the trash.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 9, 2019 15:35:20 GMT -5
I don't condone anyone working under those conditions. We are in agreement there
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 9, 2019 17:39:58 GMT -5
I just read a summary of Lozano vs Hazelton. It sounds like the issue was more about renting and fair housing than employment. And it seems the harboring clause was problematic. If your town just enforced eVerify, there wouldn't have been a problem.
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Post by ednkris on Aug 9, 2019 19:41:55 GMT -5
you got it wrong Hard working CRIMINALS.....lol and when legal citizens commit a crime they get taken away from their children so go cry a river boo hoo So you can’t answer my question; “Why weren’t the employers who broke the law also arrested?” They should be. I'm all for it 100%. Arrest them, fine the shit out of them. Either way the person became a criminal when they crossed without papers. That is before they got a job. They are still CRIMINALS. Can you answer a question for me? Why all the so called caring of the separation of families. Families are separated when a legal citizen breaks the law. Wait no howling or crying foul. Oh I know you can't push that on Trump.
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