Gardening Grandma
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 6, 2019 13:34:08 GMT -5
Maybe we should shut down the internet. It seems that most of these people have some connection on a weirdo-extremist website. Not always connected to racism - sometimes just guys who sit around and talk about how the world is against them and violence is a viable solution. And they don't always link their motives to anything in particular, but even a casual proximity to that kind of discontent seems to fester violence. Maybe if the internet was shut down those guys would go outside and be a little closer to normal. Except you can't. Shut down the internet, that is. Simply not possible. Legally or practically. It transcends political borders. What you CAN do is what many countries have done. Make it difficult for the nut cases to obtain military grade weapons. The gun nutters in this country accept the needless deaths of innocent people. I don't.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 6, 2019 15:25:18 GMT -5
I would love to see further education about the power of persuasion, how brain chemistry works and how you are easily manipulated by the inputs you choose.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 6, 2019 16:06:20 GMT -5
Sure. Why shouldn’t it? We had an assault weapons ban already but the wholly owned subsidiary of the NRA screwed the pooch. Mass murders have upticked ever since. Out of curiosity, since it has been established?? that the guns are the sole and only reason for the deaths,
want to take a moment and look to our neighbor to the South,where guns are highly restricted,
the gun death there that are only caused by guns and not the people that have them, After all we want open borders here. Interesting that my Mexican American family and friends WILL NOT travel across certain parts of Mexico, except during the day,, and only reluctantly so,, like taking a car or truck down. It is the gun that they are afraid of ,, right?? Kinda funny that I have a whole big safe full of guns , not a single one sneaks out at night shoots the neighborhood up by it's self!
Why don't you look to your neighbour to the north? You always pick the worst possible places to compare yourself to.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 6, 2019 16:21:50 GMT -5
I heard yesterday that you can buy a gun (.22, AR-15, whatevs ) online and have it delivered to you. I did not know that. MidwayUSA wants to help you find the perfect gun. Browse our online gun shop from the convenience and privacy of your own home. www.midwayusa.com/buy-guns-online BUYING A GUN ONLINE IS COMPLETELY LEGAL & EASY. Cheaper Than Dirt! has simplified the process of buying a gun online so you can easily add that handgun, rifle or shotgun to your new or existing gun collection. www.cheaperthandirt.com/firearms/Cabela’s has made shopping for firearms more convenient by offering a selection of guns available for purchase online. While only applicable for new firearms, buying a gun online is simple. Select the firearm you want and Cabela’s will ship it to your nearest Cabela’s retail store for pickup. www.cabelas.com/category/Online-Guns/1265161680.uts
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Post by grumpyhermit on Aug 6, 2019 16:25:54 GMT -5
I heard yesterday that you can buy a gun (.22, AR-15, whatevs ) online and have it delivered to you. I did not know that. I was thinking about getting into target shooting while I still lived in Maine (about 7 or 8 years ago). I went to the gun store to browse and remember being SHOCKED by how easy it would be to walk out with a gun. No training, here's your deadly weapon.
At the very least you should have to pass a gun handling and safety course before you can legally purchase ANY firearm.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 6, 2019 16:30:10 GMT -5
I heard yesterday that you can buy a gun (.22, AR-15, whatevs ) online and have it delivered to you. I did not know that. I was thinking about getting into target shooting while I still lived in Maine (about 7 or 8 years ago). I went to the gun store to browse and remember being SHOCKED by how easy it would be to walk out with a gun. No training, here's your deadly weapon.
At the very least you should have to pass a gun handling and safety course before you can legally purchase ANY firearm.
DH had a similar experience a few years ago when he decided to purchase a handgun. He was shocked at how easy it was.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 6, 2019 16:39:50 GMT -5
I would love to see further education about the power of persuasion, how brain chemistry works and how you are easily manipulated by the inputs you choose. The below is from a post (Trump doesn’t just pollute the social environment with hate. He is the environment.) and link in a post I made in the "Yet ANOTHER Mass Shooting' thread. I highlighted "noted that" because that is a link to an article James Q. Wilson wrote in 2010. Here is the link to that article: The Future of Blame
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 6, 2019 16:42:26 GMT -5
I heard yesterday that you can buy a gun (.22, AR-15, whatevs ) online and have it delivered to you. I did not know that. MidwayUSA wants to help you find the perfect gun. Browse our online gun shop from the convenience and privacy of your own home. www.midwayusa.com/buy-guns-online BUYING A GUN ONLINE IS COMPLETELY LEGAL & EASY. Cheaper Than Dirt! has simplified the process of buying a gun online so you can easily add that handgun, rifle or shotgun to your new or existing gun collection. www.cheaperthandirt.com/firearms/Cabela’s has made shopping for firearms more convenient by offering a selection of guns available for purchase online. While only applicable for new firearms, buying a gun online is simple. Select the firearm you want and Cabela’s will ship it to your nearest Cabela’s retail store for pickup. www.cabelas.com/category/Online-Guns/1265161680.utsIf you want to buy a hand gun up here, you'd better have a damn good reason for needing one.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 6, 2019 17:14:24 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, since it has been established?? that the guns are the sole and only reason for the deaths,
want to take a moment and look to our neighbor to the South,where guns are highly restricted,
the gun death there that are only caused by guns and not the people that have them, After all we want open borders here. Interesting that my Mexican American family and friends WILL NOT travel across certain parts of Mexico, except during the day,, and only reluctantly so,, like taking a car or truck down. It is the gun that they are afraid of ,, right?? Kinda funny that I have a whole big safe full of guns , not a single one sneaks out at night shoots the neighborhood up by it's self!
Why don't you look to your neighbour to the north? You always pick the worst possible places to compare yourself to. If he compared us to "developed" countries, he would have to admit that we are less happy, less educated, less healthy, and less financially successful. But those things don't matter.
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dondub
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Post by dondub on Aug 6, 2019 17:17:29 GMT -5
Watch out! He might use Venezuela on you.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Aug 6, 2019 18:24:21 GMT -5
I was thinking about getting into target shooting while I still lived in Maine (about 7 or 8 years ago). I went to the gun store to browse and remember being SHOCKED by how easy it would be to walk out with a gun. No training, here's your deadly weapon.
At the very least you should have to pass a gun handling and safety course before you can legally purchase ANY firearm.
Yup. I bought my first gun at Kittery Trading Post. Fifteen minute Federal check and I was out the door. Indeed. And some of the guns they had for sale were crazy. The thing that actually dissuaded me from eventually getting a gun was that the only shooting range in the area required you be an NRA member to join and I categorically refused to give them a single penny.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 6, 2019 18:28:39 GMT -5
Yup. I bought my first gun at Kittery Trading Post. Fifteen minute Federal check and I was out the door. Indeed. And some of the guns they had for sale were crazy. The thing that actually dissuaded me from eventually getting a gun was that the only shooting range in the area required you be an NRA member to join and I categorically refused to give them a single penny. the NRA used to provide gun safety training when I was in Boy Scouts, so I got a provisional membership (free). when they started sending me solicitations as an adult, I ignored them.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 19:26:04 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, since it has been established?? that the guns are the sole and only reason for the deaths,
want to take a moment and look to our neighbor to the South,where guns are highly restricted,
the gun death there that are only caused by guns and not the people that have them, After all we want open borders here. Interesting that my Mexican American family and friends WILL NOT travel across certain parts of Mexico, except during the day,, and only reluctantly so,, like taking a car or truck down. It is the gun that they are afraid of ,, right?? Kinda funny that I have a whole big safe full of guns , not a single one sneaks out at night shoots the neighborhood up by it's self!
NO ONE is saying 'it's the guns.' No one cares that you have a safe full of guns.
It's the guns in the hands of the mentally ill and the terrorists, and it's the military style assault weapons that serve no purpose except that they're 'fun to shoot.' Get a VR video game and shoot all the pretend brown people in some video waste land with whatever weapons you want, but there's no legitimate reason for any civilian to have anything other than a hand gun or hunting rifle.
If those of you who adore your guns don't understand that 95% of Americans want simple things like enhanced background checks, and you continue to refuse to compromise in ways to keep the MI and terrorists to get weapons, you could end up losing your safe full of guns.
You just need to turn everything into something racist,, don't you.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 19:29:20 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, since it has been established?? that the guns are the sole and only reason for the deaths,
want to take a moment and look to our neighbor to the South,where guns are highly restricted,
the gun death there that are only caused by guns and not the people that have them, After all we want open borders here. Interesting that my Mexican American family and friends WILL NOT travel across certain parts of Mexico, except during the day,, and only reluctantly so,, like taking a car or truck down. It is the gun that they are afraid of ,, right?? Kinda funny that I have a whole big safe full of guns , not a single one sneaks out at night shoots the neighborhood up by it's self!
It just dawned on me (that happens!) that if you are opposed to comprehensive background checks, a ban on assault weapons such as the AR-15 and the AK-47, and a restriction of large magazines, it could be construed that you are a philosophical accessory to mass murder. Those regulations (well regulated militia, right?) would surely he helpful in aiding the decline in mass murders and would also have the benefit of pissing off millions of paranoid righties. If everyone had my attitude, and temperament, there would be no mass shootings, there would very few shootings period.
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Post by dondub on Aug 6, 2019 19:32:07 GMT -5
NO ONE is saying 'it's the guns.' No one cares that you have a safe full of guns.
It's the guns in the hands of the mentally ill and the terrorists, and it's the military style assault weapons that serve no purpose except that they're 'fun to shoot.' Get a VR video game and shoot all the pretend brown people in some video waste land with whatever weapons you want, but there's no legitimate reason for any civilian to have anything other than a hand gun or hunting rifle.
If those of you who adore your guns don't understand that 95% of Americans want simple things like enhanced background checks, and you continue to refuse to compromise in ways to keep the MI and terrorists to get weapons, you could end up losing your safe full of guns.
You just need to turn everything into something racist,, don't you. . Trump ads have used the word ‘invasion’ 2000 times. Other users...Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson , Limbaugh etc. They are all talking about brown people. Noticing that is not racist.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 19:32:31 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, since it has been established?? that the guns are the sole and only reason for the deaths,
want to take a moment and look to our neighbor to the South,where guns are highly restricted,
the gun death there that are only caused by guns and not the people that have them, After all we want open borders here. Interesting that my Mexican American family and friends WILL NOT travel across certain parts of Mexico, except during the day,, and only reluctantly so,, like taking a car or truck down. It is the gun that they are afraid of ,, right?? Kinda funny that I have a whole big safe full of guns , not a single one sneaks out at night shoots the neighborhood up by it's self!
Why don't you look to your neighbour to the north? You always pick the worst possible places to compare yourself to. Up there you only venture out a couple time a year when the tundra melts a little. the bright sunlight leave you dizzy. then it is time to go back in.
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 6, 2019 19:47:31 GMT -5
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 19:55:02 GMT -5
You just need to turn everything into something racist,, don't you. . Trump ads have used the word ‘invasion’ 2000 times. Other users...Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson , Limbaugh etc. They are all talking about brown people. Noticing that is not racist. Don, I believe over 45,000 have been on the streets of Phoenix this year, not counting those that were not caught illegally crossing the border, More got thru than were caught. Yea, I would say it is an invasion, that's only here that's not counting the other places they dumping them. When they get here they have no money,, only the clothes on their back, So how many broke, uneducated, out of work, some sick bringing disease with them do you want to take in?? 500,000?? one million?? two, three, four, five million a year?? Kid over loading schools ,, Kids that speak no English, overwhelming the teachers and class rooms. How long are you willing to provide for the need of this many.. food, medical?? The people that have been trying to take care of all these are running out of supplies.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 20:06:28 GMT -5
You just need to turn everything into something racist,, don't you. . Trump ads have used the word ‘invasion’ 2000 times. Other users...Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson , Limbaugh etc. They are all talking about brown people. Noticing that is not racist. Do We talk about white people here?? like all the time,, In a complementary way?? Those stupid, uneducated, deplorable, racist, trumpsters.
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Post by dondub on Aug 6, 2019 20:09:09 GMT -5
. Trump ads have used the word ‘invasion’ 2000 times. Other users...Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson , Limbaugh etc. They are all talking about brown people. Noticing that is not racist. Do We talk about white people here?? like all the time,, In a complementary way?? Those stupid, uneducated, deplorable, racist, trumpsters. Yeah they suck don’t they.😎
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 20:32:33 GMT -5
I was thinking about getting into target shooting while I still lived in Maine (about 7 or 8 years ago). I went to the gun store to browse and remember being SHOCKED by how easy it would be to walk out with a gun. No training, here's your deadly weapon.
At the very least you should have to pass a gun handling and safety course before you can legally purchase ANY firearm.
DH had a similar experience a few years ago when he decided to purchase a handgun. He was shocked at how easy it was. If you are a law biding citizen, yes it is easy. You want to make it difficult,
When the gang banger, trade some drugs for for a stolen gun,, you think that transaction is going thru a background check??
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 6, 2019 20:36:34 GMT -5
DH had a similar experience a few years ago when he decided to purchase a handgun. He was shocked at how easy it was. If you are a law biding citizen, yes it is easy. You want to make it difficult,
When the gang banger, trade some drugs for for a stolen gun,, you think that transaction is going thru a background check??
most Americans don't care about drug deals gone wrong.
they care about having their 6 year old shot up at a public event, however.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 20:50:44 GMT -5
If you are a law biding citizen, yes it is easy. You want to make it difficult,
When the gang banger, trade some drugs for for a stolen gun,, you think that transaction is going thru a background check??
most Americans don't care about drug deals gone wrong.
they care about having their 6 year old shot up at a public event, however.
I was not commenting on a drug deal I was commenting on the gun transaction that would never see the light of day with a background check,,
Felon selling to felons,, Deal made today, used in a holdup or drive by tonight. Happens tens of thousands times a day,, felon selling to felons.. Ain't gona be no backgound check done here. Remember the time I went out to buy a gun of the street, it took me 42 minutes from the time I left my house. So how are you going to getting convicted felons to do a voluntary background check,, or even a forced background check.. when it happens in the back street??
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 21:45:07 GMT -5
If everyone had my attitude, and temperament, there would be no mass shootings, there would very few shootings period. Don't you mean if everyone was as ignorant and clueless as you? Woooo Hooooo OldCoyote is Making America Great Again!!
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 7, 2019 7:35:17 GMT -5
NO ONE is saying 'it's the guns.' No one cares that you have a safe full of guns.
It's the guns in the hands of the mentally ill and the terrorists, and it's the military style assault weapons that serve no purpose except that they're 'fun to shoot.' Get a VR video game and shoot all the pretend brown people in some video waste land with whatever weapons you want, but there's no legitimate reason for any civilian to have anything other than a hand gun or hunting rifle.
If those of you who adore your guns don't understand that 95% of Americans want simple things like enhanced background checks, and you continue to refuse to compromise in ways to keep the MI and terrorists to get weapons, you could end up losing your safe full of guns.
You just need to turn everything into something racist,, don't you. I'm saying if you're an angry white guy mad at all the non whites in the world, you should get a video game where you can shoot all the browns, muslims, etc that you want, with no damage to society, plus you get to stay out of jail.
Unlike you, I'm not pretending there are no racists. I'm trying to suggest there are plenty of ways you can be a racist, in the privacy of your own home, and still function normally in the greater society.
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