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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 3, 2019 23:15:22 GMT -5
Does any one have any idea or thoughts on why do people do these kind of thing?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 4, 2019 0:06:01 GMT -5
Does any one have any idea or thoughts on why do people do these kind of thing? We should know by tomorrow why the El Paso shooter did this kind of thing. I believe we already have a good idea why he did it but I will wait for the authorities to report.
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Post by steff on Aug 4, 2019 0:49:48 GMT -5
Reports of an active shooter in Dayton Ohio. Multiple victims.
DAYTON — Police are responding to a report of an active shooter in the area of East 5th Street in the Oregon District.
Initial reports indicate multiple people shot, and medics are responding to the area. Reports also indicate that a shooter is down.
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Post by steff on Aug 4, 2019 3:12:56 GMT -5
Latest update on Dayton Ohio mass shooting Local hospitals report receiving 16 victims, no reports on age or conditions Multiple videos on twitter show the street with bodies covered. Can count at least 6 dead in one video. Also video of the sound of the shots being fired. Horrifying.
Early police reports that there may be a 2nd shooter who left the area.
2 mass shootings with high death counts in less than 24 hours.
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Post by mroped on Aug 4, 2019 6:35:05 GMT -5
Apparently because of the invasion of Texas by the Latinos according with his postings
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Post by mroped on Aug 4, 2019 6:44:17 GMT -5
And another one just happened in Dayton Ohio overnight. Shooter was apparently using a long gun which implies specific targeting.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 4, 2019 14:13:23 GMT -5
let's put white men in cages.
they are clearly animals, who can't be controlled.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 4, 2019 20:57:20 GMT -5
Even though this is a gun control organization, it does show some important statistics. and this one show the amount of times a assault weapon is used.
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Post by tractor on Aug 5, 2019 6:46:52 GMT -5
Does any one have any idea or thoughts on why do people do these kind of thing? In my humble opinion it’s because people no longer care about one another, no longer have a morale compass and believe the world should evolve around them. When it doesn’t, they feel left out and want to let everyone know that they deserve more. Without any guidance, they strike out at innocent victims in an attempt to show the world how powerful they really are. No amount of laws, regulations or heightened security is going to change that. This country lost any sense of morality it once had and is now spiraling out of control. It’s only going to get worse.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 5, 2019 6:53:10 GMT -5
let's put white men in cages. they are clearly animals, who can't be controlled. Actually I suggested this to my DH this weekend.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 5, 2019 7:00:13 GMT -5
Does any one have any idea or thoughts on why do people do these kind of thing? In my humble opinion it’s because people no longer care about one another, no longer have a morale compass and believe the world should evolve around them. When it doesn’t, they feel left out and want to let everyone know that they deserve more. Without any guidance, they strike out at innocent victims in an attempt to show the world how powerful they really are. No amount of laws, regulations or heightened security is going to change that. This country lost any sense of morality it once had and is now spiraling out of control. It’s only going to get worse. This is like that story about the group of blind people who encounter an elephant, and each blind person who touches part of the elephant thinks it's different - the person who touches the skinny tail thinks it's a snake, the person who touches the elephant's leg thinks it's a tree, etc.
People will see these tragedies through the prism of what they think the problem with America is, today. So you'll get about 100 different answers to this question.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 5, 2019 7:10:50 GMT -5
My explanation for the increase in mass murders is PARTLY due to white supremists who gather on 8chan to share their racist beliefs and plot mass murders. The guy in New Zealand who shot up the mosque and the guy in the States who shot up the synagogue both participated in the 8Chan sites, discussed what they were going to do, and plotted the best strategy. They posted their manifestos on 8Chan. The guy in El Paso similarly posted his anti brown screed on 8chan, and then drove 10 hours from where he lived to El Paso, to the Walmart frequented by a lot of Hispanics. Is it a coincidence that Trump, in his State of the Union this year, trash talked El Paso for being overrun with criminal brown people? Hmmm.
I say PARTLY because the guy in Dayton so far looks more like a garden variety wing nut. Disturbingly, one of the people he killed was his sister, so this may at least partly have been targeted at her. He was previously in trouble for writing the names of the people at school he was going to murder on the walls of his high school. So, at least at this point, this does not look like domestic terrorism, like the El Paso guy. That may be the result of our iconically American habit of allowing mentally imbalanced people to purchase a bunch of military style weapons, because freedom.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2019 7:31:27 GMT -5
You know there is this whole institution out there who can do research on public health matters which I would consider mass shootings to be. We could, IDK, lift the ban on gun research and allow them to start fully studying the matter to see if there are common denominators and if so, what can be done to address them.
That won't happen though because lobbyists have got people so afraid that the CDC is part of a massive liberal conspiracy to take away their guns. Not once does anyone consider the CDC might prove guns ARE NOT a statistically significant factor in mass shootings thus vindicating every "good guy with a gun" in the country.
Nope, we'd rather offer thoughts and prayers and remain willfully ignorant rather than allow for the possibility there may be data out there that conflicts with our cherished world views.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 5, 2019 7:59:40 GMT -5
Is the author suggesting white people are the only ones with guns? Only white people want to maintain the status quo on guns?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 5, 2019 8:01:00 GMT -5
Does any one have any idea or thoughts on why do people do these kind of thing? In my humble opinion it’s because people no longer care about one another, no longer have a morale compass and believe the world should evolve around them. When it doesn’t, they feel left out and want to let everyone know that they deserve more. Without any guidance, they strike out at innocent victims in an attempt to show the world how powerful they really are. No amount of laws, regulations or heightened security is going to change that. This country lost any sense of morality it once had and is now spiraling out of control. It’s only going to get worse. I agree.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 5, 2019 8:10:22 GMT -5
Is the author suggesting white people are the only ones with guns? Only white people want to maintain the status quo on guns?
I think you linked the wrong article. Your reply to the linked article makes zero sense.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 5, 2019 8:25:49 GMT -5
Is the author suggesting white people are the only ones with guns? Only white people want to maintain the status quo on guns?
I think you linked the wrong article. Your reply to the linked article makes zero sense. I will take a quick look Tenn.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 5, 2019 8:31:12 GMT -5
Is the author suggesting white people are the only ones with guns? Only white people want to maintain the status quo on guns?
I think you linked the wrong article. Your reply to the linked article makes zero sense. Well Wapo blocked me, Unless I read it wrong, the first time, the author was saying the white nationalists, implying that most white people are blocking gun control.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 5, 2019 8:34:26 GMT -5
My explanation for the increase in mass murders is PARTLY due to white supremists who gather on 8chan to share their racist beliefs and plot mass murders. The guy in New Zealand who shot up the mosque and the guy in the States who shot up the synagogue both participated in the 8Chan sites, discussed what they were going to do, and plotted the best strategy. They posted their manifestos on 8Chan. The guy in El Paso similarly posted his anti brown screed on 8chan, and then drove 10 hours from where he lived to El Paso, to the Walmart frequented by a lot of Hispanics. Is it a coincidence that Trump, in his State of the Union this year, trash talked El Paso for being overrun with criminal brown people? Hmmm.
I say PARTLY because the guy in Dayton so far looks more like a garden variety wing nut. Disturbingly, one of the people he killed was his sister, so this may at least partly have been targeted at her. He was previously in trouble for writing the names of the people at school he was going to murder on the walls of his high school. So, at least at this point, this does not look like domestic terrorism, like the El Paso guy. That may be the result of our iconically American habit of allowing mentally imbalanced people to purchase a bunch of military style weapons, because freedom.
8Chan goes offline after Cloudflare pulls support
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 5, 2019 8:37:27 GMT -5
I think you linked the wrong article. Your reply to the linked article makes zero sense. Well Wapo blocked me, Unless I read it wrong, the first time, the author was saying the white nationalists, implying that most white people are blocking gun control. WaPo is a pay site. Once you use up your monthly free views the wall comes up. I subscribe to the WaPo. Also, I should have used the sarcasm emoji ( ). Your reply to the article clearly indicates you did not understand the article.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 5, 2019 8:44:28 GMT -5
I got around it, Our rancid political culture is, quite literally, killing our nation. And the problem is not caused by some abstraction called “polarization” or by “the failure of both sides to understand each other.” Those are the alibis of timid souls so intent on sounding “balanced” that they turn their eyes from the truth. What is that truth? When it comes to gun violence and the need to confront white nationalism, one side is right and one side is wrong.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 5, 2019 8:51:31 GMT -5
I got around it, Our rancid political culture is, quite literally, killing our nation. And the problem is not caused by some abstraction called “polarization” or by “the failure of both sides to understand each other.” Those are the alibis of timid souls so intent on sounding “balanced” that they turn their eyes from the truth. What is that truth? When it comes to gun violence and the need to confront white nationalism, one side is right and one side is wrong.
You see what you want to see but you don't see what is written.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 5, 2019 9:16:25 GMT -5
I got around it, Our rancid political culture is, quite literally, killing our nation. And the problem is not caused by some abstraction called “polarization” or by “the failure of both sides to understand each other.” Those are the alibis of timid souls so intent on sounding “balanced” that they turn their eyes from the truth. What is that truth? When it comes to gun violence and the need to confront white nationalism, one side is right and one side is wrong.
You see what you want to see but you don't see what is written. Our rancid political culture is, quite literally, killing our nation. And the problem is not caused by some abstraction called “polarization” or by “the failure of both sides to understand each other.” Those are the alibis of timid souls so intent on sounding “balanced” that they turn their eyes from the truth.
What is that truth? When it comes to gun violence and the need to confront white nationalism, one side is right and one side is wrong.
OK what is written here, that I don't see?
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 5, 2019 10:15:34 GMT -5
You see what you want to see but you don't see what is written. Our rancid political culture is, quite literally, killing our nation. And the problem is not caused by some abstraction called “polarization” or by “the failure of both sides to understand each other.” Those are the alibis of timid souls so intent on sounding “balanced” that they turn their eyes from the truth.
What is that truth? When it comes to gun violence and the need to confront white nationalism, one side is right and one side is wrong.
OK what is written here, that I don't see?
"White Supremists" are a subset of white people, just like "Radical Muslim Terrorists" are a subset of Muslims.
You can be against white supremists and not be against white people.
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Post by swamp on Aug 5, 2019 12:38:45 GMT -5
because white guys are pissed they are losing their privilege.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2019 18:55:40 GMT -5
because white guys are pissed they are losing their privilege. spot on.
I am wondering when this started. probably since the Civil Rights Era? or maybe since the Civil War? it is scary to think it has been festering for that long.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 5, 2019 19:19:48 GMT -5
because white guys are pissed they are losing their privilege. spot on.
I am wondering when this started. probably since the Civil Rights Era? or maybe since the Civil War? it is scary to think it has been festering for that long.
You saw the same kind of mind set leading up to the legalization of same-sex marriage and even after that. How often did you hear or read some heterosexuals claiming gays were being given extra or special rights to marry each other when it was the exact same right heterosexuals have had for centuries. Minimally some begrudgingly said gays could have civil unions but marriage was special and only for heterosexuals.
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