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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 12, 2019 22:55:52 GMT -5
What make you think that you can not get your hands on poison,, you need to wear gloves and a mask. There is really no level of ridiculous that you aren't willing to stoop to. Thirty years ago, would have ever thought there would be Waco, Where the Government burnt men, women, and children to death?
Would you ever would of thought some one with a truck full of fertilizer would blow up a building in Oklahoma?
Would you have thought there be two high school kids would kill a bunch of other kids , at Columbine? Would you ever have thought that the ATF would allow thousands of guns to knownly go into Mexico, resulting in the deaths of at least 325 people? Would you have ever thought that a U.S. Congress woman would be shot and several others killed, at a small political rally in her home town?
Would have ever thought that a deranged young man would kill his mother, then go to an elementary school gun down teachers and a bunch of little kids? Would you have ever expected Las Vegas? Orlando? Virginia Tech? Sunderland Springs Church? El Paso? Stoneman Douglas? San Bernardino? Fort Hood? Aurora? Washington Shipyard? Pittsburgh Synagogue? So what level of ridiculous are we talking about here? If I had said all the above would happen thirty years ago,, you would have thought I was crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 8:49:35 GMT -5
Has anyone else heard this? Was it a reason to kill her? Dayton shooter Connor Betts’ slain sister was a transgender man: report
The “sister” of the Dayton, Ohio, shooter who was killed during the attack identified as a transgender guy — although his family had no idea, according to a report and some of his own social media posts. Connor Betts’ 22-year-old sibling was named by authorities as Megan Betts in the days after the mass shooting, with cops releasing a statement saying relatives had lost “a daughter.” But he apparently went by the name Jordan Cofer, and identified as a male, although he was only “out” to a small circle of friends, according to Splinter News, which spoke to several of those pals anonymously. “Jordan was my closest friend,” one pal told the outlet. “He identified with he/him pronouns to people he trusted and knew would support him. Jordan was probably one of the sweetest people you would ever meet, a true saint, but he was also very scared constantly. He tried to give the best to everyone.” One of his friends also confirmed to The Post: “I did know that he was indeed a trans man.” Article here Dayton shooter Connor Betts’ slain sister was a transgender man: reportI heard a lot of talk about how he had killed his sister, and was there a problem there. Someone on a podcast said he had a rifle which was more like a sniper's and indicated he may have been after a single person, instead of a random shooting of anyone and everyone in the area. (Asterisk on all information because I can't recall my sources). I believe that hatred of transgenders, along with embarrassment that it was a family member would be enough to push SOME people over the edge. Just about all hunting rifles are designed as sniper rifles on the inside, as accuracy at distance is always the priority. The style on the outside doesn't really mean anything My current 30-06 deer rifle is more accurate than the military sniper rifles from 10 years ago. It's was medium expensive, but money wasn't an issue. On a calm evening it can put 10 rounds in a row into a 1" dot at 200 yards. This is the standard of today. It's more accurate than I am, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 8:53:17 GMT -5
There is really no level of ridiculous that you aren't willing to stoop to. Thirty years ago, would have ever thought there would be Waco, Where the Government burnt men, women, and children to death?
Would you ever would of thought some one with a truck full of fertilizer would blow up a building in Oklahoma?
Would you have thought there be two high school kids would kill a bunch of other kids , at Columbine? Would you ever have thought that the ATF would allow thousands of guns to knownly go into Mexico, resulting in the deaths of at least 325 people? Would you have ever thought that a U.S. Congress woman would be shot and several others killed, at a small political rally in her home town?
Would have ever thought that a deranged young man would kill his mother, then go to an elementary school gun down teachers and a bunch of little kids? Would you have ever expected Las Vegas? Orlando? Virginia Tech? Sunderland Springs Church? El Paso? Stoneman Douglas? San Bernardino? Fort Hood? Aurora? Washington Shipyard? Pittsburgh Synagogue? So what level of ridiculous are we talking about here? If I had said all the above would happen thirty years ago,, you would have thought I was crazy.
And would of had no qualms about telling you that. You would be the crazy troll.
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OldCoyote
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 13, 2019 8:59:02 GMT -5
They blame guns,, none of these only used a gun,, Common thread,, the one that did the killing were in each case ,,, Human,, who would have ever thought??
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Post by swamp on Aug 13, 2019 9:07:35 GMT -5
cool. Let's ban humans.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 13, 2019 9:21:06 GMT -5
It is a hell-a lot easier to get guns than it is to get arsenic.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 13, 2019 9:54:27 GMT -5
Let's start with the ones willing to shoot other people. If you don't mind.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 13, 2019 10:53:36 GMT -5
I heard a lot of talk about how he had killed his sister, and was there a problem there. Someone on a podcast said he had a rifle which was more like a sniper's and indicated he may have been after a single person, instead of a random shooting of anyone and everyone in the area. (Asterisk on all information because I can't recall my sources). I believe that hatred of transgenders, along with embarrassment that it was a family member would be enough to push SOME people over the edge. Just about all hunting rifles are designed as sniper rifles on the inside, as accuracy at distance is always the priority. The style on the outside doesn't really mean anything My current 30-06 deer rifle is more accurate than the military sniper rifles from 10 years ago. It's was medium expensive, but money wasn't an issue. On a calm evening it can put 10 rounds in a row into a 1" dot at 200 yards. This is the standard of today. It's more accurate than I am, lol. If that is true, I wonder if he had his sister and the sister's friends in his sites. He shot more than just his sister. Maybe he had never had any training, so he was a bad shot?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 13, 2019 11:26:02 GMT -5
Deleted as I repeated what someone has already said
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 13, 2019 11:36:17 GMT -5
*I am going to track down this link in the quoted(?) tweet to verify the claim. I don't have Twitter, it may take a little while. patience, please.* should this hold up, that's an interesting wrinkle....
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 13, 2019 11:49:54 GMT -5
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 13, 2019 11:58:16 GMT -5
*I am going to track down this link in the quoted(?) tweet to verify the claim. I don't have Twitter, it may take a little while. patience, please.* should this hold up, that's an interesting wrinkle.... Chive, this might help. From the article....“shows 25 of the 46 individuals allegedly involved in 32 different domestic terrorism incidents were identified as white supremacists,” Yahoo News’ Jana Winter and Hunter Walker report.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 13, 2019 12:34:49 GMT -5
*I am going to track down this link in the quoted(?) tweet to verify the claim. I don't have Twitter, it may take a little while. patience, please.* should this hold up, that's an interesting wrinkle.... Chive, this might help. From the article....“shows 25 of the 46 individuals allegedly involved in 32 different domestic terrorism incidents were identified as white supremacists,” Yahoo News’ Jana Winter and Hunter Walker report.
thanks, Iggy. I'm still on my way home, will follow up soon. 👍
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 12:58:48 GMT -5
Just about all hunting rifles are designed as sniper rifles on the inside, as accuracy at distance is always the priority. The style on the outside doesn't really mean anything My current 30-06 deer rifle is more accurate than the military sniper rifles from 10 years ago. It's was medium expensive, but money wasn't an issue. On a calm evening it can put 10 rounds in a row into a 1" dot at 200 yards. This is the standard of today. It's more accurate than I am, lol. If that is true, I wonder if he had his sister and the sister's friends in his sites. He shot more than just his sister. Maybe he had never had any training, so he was a bad shot? The accuracy I was claiming was for the weapon only, with standard factory ammunition. The gun is held by a rifle shooting vise and does not move. With me holding it while shooting, with a small blanket rolled up as a fore stock rest. I can get about half my shots into the dot, with the rest pretty close. (within 2") Of course that's with me relaxed, and all the time I want to take. Standing up, with no assists, I can mostly hit a 8" paper plate at 100 yards, when at home and relaxed. I'm considered a very good shot and scored over 90% on the swat test in my former area, while living just outside of Chicago (NIPIS) Someone with without 1000's of shots fired, nervous, in a hurry ? He was all over the place in my personal estimation. Wouldn't matter if he was using the most accurate rifle in the world.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 13, 2019 13:49:09 GMT -5
There is really no level of ridiculous that you aren't willing to stoop to. Thirty years ago, would have ever thought there would be Waco, Where the Government burnt men, women, and children to death?
Would you ever would of thought some one with a truck full of fertilizer would blow up a building in Oklahoma?
Would you have thought there be two high school kids would kill a bunch of other kids , at Columbine? Would you ever have thought that the ATF would allow thousands of guns to knownly go into Mexico, resulting in the deaths of at least 325 people? Would you have ever thought that a U.S. Congress woman would be shot and several others killed, at a small political rally in her home town?
Would have ever thought that a deranged young man would kill his mother, then go to an elementary school gun down teachers and a bunch of little kids? Would you have ever expected Las Vegas? Orlando? Virginia Tech? Sunderland Springs Church? El Paso? Stoneman Douglas? San Bernardino? Fort Hood? Aurora? Washington Shipyard? Pittsburgh Synagogue? So what level of ridiculous are we talking about here? If I had said all the above would happen thirty years ago,, you would have thought I was crazy.
WTF are you talking about? I said you are ridiculous to claim it's easy for me to get anthrax. This list is a complete tangent. A tangent that backs up having stronger gun control thank you very much, but still a tangent.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 13, 2019 14:03:28 GMT -5
anyone a scribd member? here's the direct link - linkwould love to read the full report.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 13, 2019 17:48:00 GMT -5
The only one who could stop a bad guy is a good guy with....a milk crate. Bystanders use chairs, milk crate to trap knife-wielding man Witnesses said the assailant Tuesday was carrying a 30-centimetre (12-inch) knife and attempted to stab multiple people near a busy intersection in Australia's largest city at around 2 p.m. Fuller described the weapon as a butcher's knife. "A number of members of the public physically restrained the offender," Police Superintendent Gavin Wood said. "I want to acknowledge those members of the public who got involved. They were significantly brave people." Luke O'Shaughnessy and another man caught up with the offender and tackled him to the ground, Paul O'Shaughnessy said. Along with other passers-by, they used a milk crate and a chair to keep him pinned to the ground, he said. www.ctvnews.ca/world/bystanders-use-chairs-milk-crate-to-trap-knife-wielding-man-1.4547084
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 13, 2019 21:38:56 GMT -5
was the shooter motivated by his love of Satan or his animus toward right wingers?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 13, 2019 23:31:53 GMT -5
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 13, 2019 23:37:17 GMT -5
It is a hell-a lot easier to get guns than it is to get arsenic. Without looking I would bet you can get it at Home depot or Ace Hardware.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 14, 2019 11:11:20 GMT -5
We do blame humans. That is why we don't think many of them should have guns. Humans shouldn't have semi automatic weapons for entertainment purposes. Humans with mental health issues should not have guns at all. Humans with a history of violence against women should not have guns. etc etc
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2019 12:21:28 GMT -5
It is a hell-a lot easier to get guns than it is to get arsenic. Without looking I would bet you can get it at Home depot or Ace Hardware. How about YOU looking and get back to us.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 14, 2019 16:45:45 GMT -5
Active shooter in Philadelphia. Shot 3 police officers. Ho hum, just another Wednesday. Thoughts and prayers.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 14, 2019 17:05:44 GMT -5
Active shooter in Philadelphia. Shot 3 police officers. Ho hum, just another Wednesday. Thoughts and prayers. four officers. but my local news is reporting the suspect is in custody. but the rest? yep...
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Post by steff on Aug 14, 2019 17:14:17 GMT -5
The station I'm watching live says 6 officers & gun battle still ongoing.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 14, 2019 17:18:21 GMT -5
According to CNN, yes, 6 officers and it's still an active shooter situation.
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Post by steff on Aug 14, 2019 17:33:52 GMT -5
this is the live feed I'm watching
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 14, 2019 17:49:24 GMT -5
great, I also just confirmed my local news has changed their report as well. thanks.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 14, 2019 19:24:51 GMT -5
whew! I was worried that this one would not be on the Mass Shooting tally.
MAGA!
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Post by Cookies Galore on Aug 14, 2019 19:45:54 GMT -5
I'm about 15 miles north and west of Nicetown and a bad thunderstorm is going to hit them soon.
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