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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 11:28:10 GMT -5
To what ? If a criminal won't be deterred by a murder law and the ultimate penalty waiting for the offenders. You think he will even notice a gun law ? Yes I do based on the lower gun crime rates in countries with sensible gun laws. I have evidence, all you have is self serving protection. You have one possible reason that does not rule out any other reason. It's a logical fallacy. Correlation is not causation.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 8, 2019 11:33:07 GMT -5
I am confused. It seems like the gun people are extremely fearful of the government busting into their houses and seizing their guns. So, the liberals say - hey, can we have a law where you can keep your guns, and buy new guns, but you have to take a little test and get a license. And the conservatives answer is - NO we need a law where the government can bust into an individual's house and seize their guns.??Please explain. ?? ?? Not even close.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 11:39:29 GMT -5
I am confused. It seems like the gun people are extremely fearful of the government busting into their houses and seizing their guns. So, the liberals say - hey, can we have a law where you can keep your guns, and buy new guns, but you have to take a little test and get a license. And the conservatives answer is - NO we need a law where the government can bust into an individual's house and seize their guns. ??Please explain. ?? ?? Explanation ; It's the difference between a constitutional right vs a privilege. No one wants licensing for constitutional rights. No one wants police busting into houses for exercising constitutional rights. If you do, you're not really conservative.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 8, 2019 11:48:12 GMT -5
Yes I do based on the lower gun crime rates in countries with sensible gun laws. I have evidence, all you have is self serving protection. You have one possible reason that does not rule out any other reason. It's a logical fallacy. Correlation is not causation. The lengths you guys will go to to deny reality is breathtaking.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 8, 2019 11:55:32 GMT -5
I am confused. It seems like the gun people are extremely fearful of the government busting into their houses and seizing their guns. So, the liberals say - hey, can we have a law where you can keep your guns, and buy new guns, but you have to take a little test and get a license. And the conservatives answer is - NO we need a law where the government can bust into an individual's house and seize their guns. ??Please explain. ?? ?? Explanation ; It's the difference between a constitutional right vs a privilege. No one wants licensing for constitutional rights. No one wants police busting into houses for exercising constitutional rights. If you do, you're not really conservative. Then why is all the talk around red flag laws? I think Fox news gave supporting opinions on red flag laws for the last 3 days.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 12:04:57 GMT -5
You have one possible reason that does not rule out any other reason. It's a logical fallacy. Correlation is not causation. The lengths you guys will go to to deny reality is breathtaking. The reality is that correlation, is not causation. Listing one possible reason does not mean it rules out all others. You present a logical fallacy as an argument/position. There is no reason for me to defend from it. You can't defend your fallacy either. Good chance that's why you changed to a "you guys" deflection.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 12:11:20 GMT -5
Explanation ; It's the difference between a constitutional right vs a privilege. No one wants licensing for constitutional rights. No one wants police busting into houses for exercising constitutional rights. If you do, you're not really conservative. Then why is all the talk around red flag laws? I think Fox news gave supporting opinions on red flag laws for the last 3 days. I'm guessing they want to hold their target audience, and keep selling commercial time ?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 8, 2019 12:50:55 GMT -5
Then why is all the talk around red flag laws? I think Fox news gave supporting opinions on red flag laws for the last 3 days. I'm guessing they want to hold their target audience, and keep selling commercial time ? it is something that Trump and probably many liberals agree on. you could sell it on MSNBC.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 8, 2019 12:52:26 GMT -5
The lengths you guys will go to to deny reality is breathtaking. The reality is that correlation, is not causation. Listing one possible reason does not mean it rules out all others. You present a logical fallacy as an argument/position. There is no reason for me to defend from it. You can't defend your fallacy either. Good chance that's why you changed to a "you guys" deflection. You guys referred to you and Old Coyote, the two I have been talking to on here. The studies have been posted many, many times and other factors have been considered in the analysis. You denying the facts does not make them go away.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 8, 2019 13:56:45 GMT -5
I am confused. It seems like the gun people are extremely fearful of the government busting into their houses and seizing their guns. So, the liberals say - hey, can we have a law where you can keep your guns, and buy new guns, but you have to take a little test and get a license. And the conservatives answer is - NO we need a law where the government can bust into an individual's house and seize their guns. ??Please explain. ?? ?? Explanation ; It's the difference between a constitutional right vs a privilege. No one wants licensing for constitutional rights. No one wants police busting into houses for exercising constitutional rights. If you do, you're not really conservative. Which is why I support using the constitutional process to repeal the Second Amendment as a starting point.
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Post by busymom on Aug 8, 2019 15:33:48 GMT -5
I saw this meme today, and it seem to sum up our problem quite well:
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 8, 2019 17:26:25 GMT -5
Then why is all the talk around red flag laws? I think Fox news gave supporting opinions on red flag laws for the last 3 days. I'm guessing they want to hold their target audience, and keep selling commercial time ? But if their audience is against it, why would they keep pushing it?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 8, 2019 20:20:36 GMT -5
Let's blame Warren on this one,, It makes as much sense to blame Warren as to blame Trump. No, it really doesn't. Warren isn't out there fomenting hatred with talk about "invasions" by criminals and rapists, or laughing off suggestions of shooting people. Trump is. Give me a break,, every one of the Democratic candidate is spreading the hate as fast and as far as they can. Racist, racist, racist, gun, gun , gun, racist, gun, racist, gun, racist, gun,,, There , I just summarized the entire DNC campaign slogan.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 8, 2019 20:26:22 GMT -5
I am confused. It seems like the gun people are extremely fearful of the government busting into their houses and seizing their guns. So, the liberals say - hey, can we have a law where you can keep your guns, and buy new guns, but you have to take a little test and get a license. And the conservatives answer is - NO we need a law where the government can bust into an individual's house and seize their guns. ??Please explain. ?? ?? The Liberals are lying!
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 8, 2019 20:29:24 GMT -5
can we have a law where you can keep your guns, and buy new guns, but you have to take a little test and get a license.
We already do that, I bought a new gun a little over a month ago, went thru a complete background check. The license, My driver license.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 8, 2019 20:48:58 GMT -5
No, it really doesn't. Warren isn't out there fomenting hatred with talk about "invasions" by criminals and rapists, or laughing off suggestions of shooting people. Trump is. Give me a break,, every one of the Democratic candidate is spreading the hate as fast and as far as they can. Racist, racist, racist, gun, gun , gun, racist, gun, racist, gun, racist, gun,,, There , I just summarized the entire DNC campaign slogan.
Identifying racists is not the problem, being racists is the problem.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 8, 2019 20:49:02 GMT -5
No, it really doesn't. Warren isn't out there fomenting hatred with talk about "invasions" by criminals and rapists, or laughing off suggestions of shooting people. Trump is. Give me a break,, every one of the Democratic candidate is spreading the hate as fast and as far as they can. Racist, racist, racist, gun, gun , gun, racist, gun, racist, gun, racist, gun,,, There , I just summarized the entire DNC campaign slogan.
If Trump were not out there BEING racist at every opportunity, nobody would focus on it. And if the GOP would actually do what even their own constituents want and work on meaningful and even simple gun legislation, nobody would focus on that either. It is your own leaders to blame for this.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2019 1:34:11 GMT -5
I am confused. It seems like the gun people are extremely fearful of the government busting into their houses and seizing their guns. So, the liberals say - hey, can we have a law where you can keep your guns, and buy new guns, but you have to take a little test and get a license. And the conservatives answer is - NO we need a law where the government can bust into an individual's house and seize their guns. ??Please explain. ?? ?? The Liberals are lying! liberals wrote the 2nd Amendment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 7:16:59 GMT -5
The reality is that correlation, is not causation. Listing one possible reason does not mean it rules out all others. You present a logical fallacy as an argument/position. There is no reason for me to defend from it. You can't defend your fallacy either. Good chance that's why you changed to a "you guys" deflection. You guys referred to you and Old Coyote, the two I have been talking to on here. The studies have been posted many, many times and other factors have been considered in the analysis. You denying the facts does not make them go away. I talk directly to who I'm quoting. If you're not talking to me when you quote me, please don't quote me. My answers are only for myself. Now in this post you are stating other factors are present. A direct contradiction of what you said earlier. Let me know when you make up your mind. I'm not denying anything.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 7:20:59 GMT -5
Explanation ; It's the difference between a constitutional right vs a privilege. No one wants licensing for constitutional rights. No one wants police busting into houses for exercising constitutional rights. If you do, you're not really conservative. Which is why I support using the constitutional process to repeal the Second Amendment as a starting point. Exactly. It's what should be done. Until then...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 7:23:25 GMT -5
I'm guessing they want to hold their target audience, and keep selling commercial time ? But if their audience is against it, why would they keep pushing it? Maybe they're not against it. Their ratings are quite high.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 9, 2019 7:49:46 GMT -5
liberals wrote the 2nd Amendment. That's when they were Liberals.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 9, 2019 10:56:27 GMT -5
US police have arrested a man who walked into a Walmart store in Missouri armed with a loaded rifle and 100 rounds of ammunition on Thursday.
Although the man, who also wore body armour, did not fire any shots, his actions sparked panic amongst shoppers.
The incident comes less than a week after a mass shooting in an El Paso Walmart in Texas, in which 22 people were killed by a gunman.
The man in Springfield was arrested after walking out of the store.
On Friday, Springfield police named the man as 20-year-old Dmitriy Andreychenko and said he had been arrested for making a first degree "terrorist threat".
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 9, 2019 11:24:56 GMT -5
can we have a law where you can keep your guns, and buy new guns, but you have to take a little test and get a license.
We already do that, I bought a new gun a little over a month ago, went thru a complete background check. The license, My driver license.
A driver's license says you know the rules for driving a car and you are proficient in those skills. A gun license would say that you know the safety rules of owning a gun.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 9, 2019 12:20:03 GMT -5
You guys referred to you and Old Coyote, the two I have been talking to on here. The studies have been posted many, many times and other factors have been considered in the analysis. You denying the facts does not make them go away. I talk directly to who I'm quoting. If you're not talking to me when you quote me, please don't quote me. My answers are only for myself. Now in this post you are stating other factors are present. A direct contradiction of what you said earlier. Let me know when you make up your mind. I'm not denying anything. You aren't making any sense. My answer was to you about what you said. And I am contradicting you. The studies show cause. You are denying that lax gun laws contributes to gun violence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 13:23:00 GMT -5
liberals wrote the 2nd Amendment. That's when they were Liberals. That's back when they were actual liberals. Not as used today, hijacked by communists. I knew this was going to happen when those commune loving hippies got old, and started running things.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 13:24:23 GMT -5
I talk directly to who I'm quoting. If you're not talking to me when you quote me, please don't quote me. My answers are only for myself. Now in this post you are stating other factors are present. A direct contradiction of what you said earlier. Let me know when you make up your mind. I'm not denying anything. You aren't making any sense. My answer was to you about what you said. And I am contradicting you. The studies show cause. You are denying that lax gun laws contributes to gun violence.First bolded. Quote; " You guys referred to you and Old Coyote,"
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Second bolded. No, I'm saying that your claim of sensible gun laws are stopping violence in other countries, is a logical fallacy, because it does not rule out any other reason. ymam.proboards.com/post/3027621
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2019 13:35:16 GMT -5
That's when they were Liberals. That's back when they were actual liberals. Not as used today, hijacked by communists. I knew this was going to happen when those commune loving hippies got old, and started running things. communists are not liberal, and liberals are not communists. they are two distinct groups with very little, if any, overlap.
liberals are not collectivists. at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 13:38:37 GMT -5
That's back when they were actual liberals. Not as used today, hijacked by communists. I knew this was going to happen when those commune loving hippies got old, and started running things. communists are not liberal, and liberals are not communists. they are two distinct groups with very little, if any, overlap.
liberals are not collectivists. at all.
I don't think I could possibly agree more.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 9, 2019 20:04:17 GMT -5
But if their audience is against it, why would they keep pushing it? Maybe they're not against it. Their ratings are quite high. That is what I was thinking, hence the question of why conservatives are pushing for red flag laws when it seems that is exactly what they don't want.
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