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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 21:04:00 GMT -5
Out of all the shootings,, How many were NRA members? The NRA members are the ones making sure EVERYONE can get the guns needed to do all these killings. OC do you own an assault rifle? Why are you so determined that your next door neighbour or friendly neighbourhood idiot has no problem getting their hands on one? I own several, But the assault rifle is not the problem,, it is too hard to conceal, it would attract too much attention, that is where easily concealed pistols are much more of a threat, That is If and it is a big if,, the person armed is wanting to do no good. Like I have pointed several times, random shooting are rare,,, Family fights, gang related, alcohol related, drug related,, if you stay clear of these,
Your chances of getting shot are low. real low, winning a huge lottery low.. Your chances of being in a mass shooting,, is like 100 million to one,,
What are your chances of being involved in a serious car accident with a drunk driver,, Now there is something to worry about!
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Post by steff on Aug 6, 2019 21:09:22 GMT -5
In Texas it's legal to open carry an assault rifle.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 6, 2019 21:12:14 GMT -5
The NRA members are the ones making sure EVERYONE can get the guns needed to do all these killings. OC do you own an assault rifle? Why are you so determined that your next door neighbour or friendly neighbourhood idiot has no problem getting their hands on one? I own several, But the assault rifle is not the problem,, it is too hard to conceal, it would attract too much attention, that is where easily concealed pistols are much more of a threat, That is If and it is a big if,, the person armed is wanting to do no good. Like I have pointed several times, random shooting are rare,,, Family fights, gang related, alcohol related, drug related,, if you stay clear of these,
Your chances of getting shot are low. real low, winning a huge lottery low.. Your chances of being in a mass shooting,, is like 100 million to one,,
What are your chances of being involved in a serious car accident with a drunk driver,, Now there is something to worry about!
If you are white. They go up dramatically for minorities. Why don't you want to make it harder for mentally ill people to buy an assault rifle?
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 6, 2019 21:36:09 GMT -5
The NRA members are the ones making sure EVERYONE can get the guns needed to do all these killings. OC do you own an assault rifle? Why are you so determined that your next door neighbour or friendly neighbourhood idiot has no problem getting their hands on one? I own several, But the assault rifle is not the problem,, it is too hard to conceal, it would attract too much attention, that is where easily concealed pistols are much more of a threat, That is If and it is a big if,, the person armed is wanting to do no good. Like I have pointed several times, random shooting are rare,,, Family fights, gang related, alcohol related, drug related,, if you stay clear of these,
Your chances of getting shot are low. real low, winning a huge lottery low.. Your chances of being in a mass shooting,, is like 100 million to one,,
What are your chances of being involved in a serious car accident with a drunk driver,, Now there is something to worry about!
Evidently, math isn't your strong suit either. Your chance of dying in a mass shooting is one in 11,125. NOT a million to one. www.businessinsider.com/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2018-2
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 21:41:38 GMT -5
How many people in Chicago were shot this week. how many were shot with an assault rifle?? www.washingtonpost.com/ how many people were shot in Baltimore this year?? how many were shot with an assault rifle?? How many people were shot in Memphis this year, how many were shot with an assault rifle?? And you are upset over people using Assault rifles , when most assault rifles are not used in the shootings?? Go Figure,
How many of the shooters were members of the NRA??
Since you don't seem to clearly understand...we are against the killings in Chicago and Memphis too. The compromise is only looking for a ban on assault rifles. In these Cities or some you want to look at,, how many of the shooting are committed with a assault rifle,,
You will find very few!! they are used more often in mass shooting,, but only like 11% of the time,, and mass shooting are only like 1% of the shootings. So you ban assault rifles,, how many did you save,, and if they didn't have assault rifles they would have other weapons, The ones doing the shooting are not law biding citizens,,
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 21:43:33 GMT -5
In Texas it's legal to open carry an assault rifle.
He's only carrying one?? piker.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 6, 2019 21:43:56 GMT -5
Since you don't seem to clearly understand...we are against the killings in Chicago and Memphis too. The compromise is only looking for a ban on assault rifles. In these Cities or some you want to look at,, how many of the shooting are committed with a assault rifle,,
You will find very few!! they are used more often in mass shooting,, but only like 11% of the time,, and mass shooting are only like 1% of the shootings. So you ban assault rifles,, how many did you save,, and if they didn't have assault rifles they would have other weapons, The ones doing the shooting are not law biding citizens,,
Most are law abiding citizens until they start shooting.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 6, 2019 21:45:04 GMT -5
Since you don't seem to clearly understand...we are against the killings in Chicago and Memphis too. The compromise is only looking for a ban on assault rifles. In these Cities or some you want to look at,, how many of the shooting are committed with a assault rifle,,
You will find very few!! they are used more often in mass shooting,, but only like 11% of the time,, and mass shooting are only like 1% of the shootings. So you ban assault rifles,, how many did you save,, and if they didn't have assault rifles they would have other weapons, The ones doing the shooting are not law biding citizens,,
How many need to be saved to make it worthwhile? Unless I'm very much mistaken, the Texas terrorist was law abiding up until the minute he opened fire. My understanding is he had no problem buying that gun legally.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 6, 2019 21:48:38 GMT -5
In these Cities or some you want to look at,, how many of the shooting are committed with a assault rifle,,
You will find very few!! they are used more often in mass shooting,, but only like 11% of the time,, and mass shooting are only like 1% of the shootings. So you ban assault rifles,, how many did you save,, and if they didn't have assault rifles they would have other weapons, The ones doing the shooting are not law biding citizens,,
How many need to be saved to make it worthwhile? Unless I'm very much mistaken, the Texas terrorist was law abiding up until the minute he opened fire. My understanding is he had no problem buying that gun legally. The Gilmore, Ca./Garlic Festival shooter also had a clean record and therefore had no problem purchasing his weapon. Most likely the Dayton, Ohio shooter had a clean record too.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 21:59:24 GMT -5
I own several, But the assault rifle is not the problem,, it is too hard to conceal, it would attract too much attention, that is where easily concealed pistols are much more of a threat, That is If and it is a big if,, the person armed is wanting to do no good. Like I have pointed several times, random shooting are rare,,, Family fights, gang related, alcohol related, drug related,, if you stay clear of these,
Your chances of getting shot are low. real low, winning a huge lottery low.. Your chances of being in a mass shooting,, is like 100 million to one,,
What are your chances of being involved in a serious car accident with a drunk driver,, Now there is something to worry about!
If you are white. They go up dramatically for minorities. Why don't you want to make it harder for mentally ill people to buy an assault rifle? They go up dramatically for minorities. you bet black on black assaults go thru the roof. Why don't you want to make it harder for mentally ill people to buy an assault rifle?
Ok let's go that way,, Do you think for a second, that a mentally ill person,, let's go off the deep end here. If An insane or psycho person wants a gun.. do you think he will not be able to get one?? Remember, O.C. went out to buy a gun off the streets,, it took me 42 minutes,, NO background check, What is going to keep our Psycho friend from doing the same thing?? Do you think if they are going to commit a mass murder ,,
they will be concerned about doing a background check or they are going to buy from some one that dos background checks??
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 22:03:46 GMT -5
How many need to be saved to make it worthwhile? Unless I'm very much mistaken, the Texas terrorist was law abiding up until the minute he opened fire. My understanding is he had no problem buying that gun legally. The Gilmore, Ca./Garlic Festival shooter also had a clean record and therefore had no problem purchasing his weapon. Most likely the Dayton, Ohio shooter had a clean record too. OK What are you going to do to stop these shootings, where the did everything with in law right up to when the shooting starts?? Even if they didn't, bought it off the street, from another convicted felon, how are you going to stop it??
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 6, 2019 22:06:08 GMT -5
The Gilmore, Ca./Garlic Festival shooter also had a clean record and therefore had no problem purchasing his weapon. Most likely the Dayton, Ohio shooter had a clean record too. OK What are you going to do to stop these shootings, where the did everything with in law right up to when the shooting starts?? Even if they didn't, bought it off the street, from another convicted felon, how are you going to stop it??
CHANGE THE LAW!
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 6, 2019 22:07:04 GMT -5
The Gilmore, Ca./Garlic Festival shooter also had a clean record and therefore had no problem purchasing his weapon. Most likely the Dayton, Ohio shooter had a clean record too. OK What are you going to do to stop these shootings, where the did everything with in law right up to when the shooting starts?? Even if they didn't, bought it off the street, from another convicted felon, how are you going to stop it??
The statistics from all the countries with sensible gun laws prove you wrong. It is impossible to reason with someone that makes up their own facts.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 22:07:33 GMT -5
I own several, But the assault rifle is not the problem,, it is too hard to conceal, it would attract too much attention, that is where easily concealed pistols are much more of a threat, That is If and it is a big if,, the person armed is wanting to do no good. Like I have pointed several times, random shooting are rare,,, Family fights, gang related, alcohol related, drug related,, if you stay clear of these,
Your chances of getting shot are low. real low, winning a huge lottery low.. Your chances of being in a mass shooting,, is like 100 million to one,,
What are your chances of being involved in a serious car accident with a drunk driver,, Now there is something to worry about!
Evidently, math isn't your strong suit either. Your chance of dying in a mass shooting is one in 11,125. NOT a million to one. www.businessinsider.com/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2018-2Apparently math is not their strong suit either!
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 6, 2019 22:09:43 GMT -5
Apparently math is not their strong suit either! What are you basing this on? You just make up shit in your head and claim it's true!
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 22:09:49 GMT -5
OK What are you going to do to stop these shootings, where the did everything with in law right up to when the shooting starts?? Even if they didn't, bought it off the street, from another convicted felon, how are you going to stop it??
CHANGE THE LAW! Ok we change the law,,
What is keeping them from buying one off the street, from another felon,,
Like I pointed out, it took me 42 minutes from the time I left the house.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 6, 2019 22:10:09 GMT -5
The Gilmore, Ca./Garlic Festival shooter also had a clean record and therefore had no problem purchasing his weapon. Most likely the Dayton, Ohio shooter had a clean record too. OK What are you going to do to stop these shootings, where the did everything with in law right up to when the shooting starts?? Even if they didn't, bought it off the street, from another convicted felon, how are you going to stop it??
Well I just don't know. Here's an idea; let's sit some Republicans, Democrats, trump, the Justice Department, and any other department or agency which can offer some feedback on thing which can be done to reduce firearm violence in our country,
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 6, 2019 22:11:53 GMT -5
Ok we change the law,,
What is keeping them from buying one off the street, from another felon,,
Like I pointed out, it took me 42 minutes from the time I left the house.
The statistics from all the countries with reasonable gun laws show that it does work. You just don't like that reality so you are making up alternatie facts.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 22:38:45 GMT -5
Apparently math is not their strong suit either! What are you basing this on? You just make up shit in your head and claim it's true! A quick count of deaths on this tracker, 382 so far this year. I had trouble finding any reliable numbers. This is this year, from January, Each is at least 4 shot. killed or wounded. I happened to pick, deaths. Even if we doubled the number, to 764, mass shooting deaths, then X10= 7640. into
329,299,000 pop. = 430890. Where is Virgil when I need him!
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 22:47:33 GMT -5
Maybe just maybe if we worked to drop the level of hate several notches . we might see a little drop in casualties Nope not gona happen,, hate this hate that , racist racist racist ,, stupid,, uneducated ,, lets drink some more ,,
Lets go play a bunch of violent video games,, then check out what we learned there on real people,, see if out markmanship is as good,
Got any good drugs on ya?? Did you see that SOB cut me off I'll get him,, it's ok to steal from the white guy after all they are all rich, What's gang banger doin in my hood??
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 23:03:29 GMT -5
OK What are you going to do to stop these shootings, where the did everything with in law right up to when the shooting starts?? Even if they didn't, bought it off the street, from another convicted felon, how are you going to stop it??
The statistics from all the countries with sensible gun laws prove you wrong. It is impossible to reason with someone that makes up their own facts. Crime is going up in England.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 6, 2019 23:24:54 GMT -5
What are you basing this on? You just make up shit in your head and claim it's true! A quick count of deaths on this tracker, 382 so far this year. I had trouble finding any reliable numbers. This is this year, from January, Each is at least 4 shot. killed or wounded. I happened to pick, deaths. Even if we doubled the number, to 764, mass shooting deaths, then X10= 7640. into
329,299,000 pop. = 430890. Where is Virgil when I need him!
Virgil wouldn't help you here. Your numbers are not the issue. Your understanding is the issue. First, your made-up number of 1 in 100,000,000 is ridiculous. That would mean that there were somewhere around 64 billion people in the United States. Clearly wrong. Second, you are trying to figure someone's chance of being killed in a mass shooting this year. The number given earlier (1 in 11,125) is a lifetime risk. That means it doesn't have to happen this year. Even that number does not include the number wounded or traumatized, or the family and friends of victims. If we add in those persons as "victims" or otherwise negatively and personally affected by mass shootings, the lifetime risk is easily less than 1 in 1,000. To personalize that, it would mean that the odds are good that someone within probably a two- or three-block radius of your house has been or will be personally affected by a mass shooting. That is of course an average, and does not take other factors into account, but either way it shows that it is not so rare an occurrence, and not something to be trivialized by your silliness.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 6, 2019 23:42:49 GMT -5
A quick count of deaths on this tracker, 382 so far this year. I had trouble finding any reliable numbers. This is this year, from January, Each is at least 4 shot. killed or wounded. I happened to pick, deaths. Even if we doubled the number, to 764, mass shooting deaths, then X10= 7640. into
329,299,000 pop. = 430890. Where is Virgil when I need him!
Virgil wouldn't help you here. Your numbers are not the issue. Your understanding is the issue. First, your made-up number of 1 in 100,000,000 is ridiculous. That would mean that there were somewhere around 64 billion people in the United States. Clearly wrong. Second, you are trying to figure someone's chance of being killed in a mass shooting this year. The number given earlier (1 in 11,125) is a lifetime risk. That means it doesn't have to happen this year. Even that number does not include the number wounded or traumatized, or the family and friends of victims. If we add in those persons as "victims" or otherwise negatively and personally affected by mass shootings, the lifetime risk is easily less than 1 in 1,000. To personalize that, it would mean that the odds are good that someone within probably a two- or three-block radius of your house has been or will be personally affected by a mass shooting. That is of course an average, and does not take other factors into account, but either way it shows that it is not so rare an occurrence, and not something to be trivialized by your silliness. Actually the odds are greater now than 1 in 11,125. That article is from 2018. There were over 250 this year alone, so far.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 6, 2019 23:43:34 GMT -5
Kinda wish Homer was here to tell me I don't get it, that those are just my feelings, and that I should go away.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 7, 2019 9:14:41 GMT -5
Meanwhile in Chicago the toll was 48 shot, another 7 killed over the weekend. Since it is not white boys doing the killing, it does not register on the national news or matter to anyone. Of course the count took three days to get that high, and not all shootings were with automatic weapons, so why worry about it? Does seven killed register as a mass murder? No, because it was a cumlative total, and not one gun battle. So you go for the low hanging fruit of Chicago. We know what the firearms problem is in Chicago-gangs and easily purchased and transported firearms from your home state of Indiana. Yet you posted nothing about El Paso. Not a single word. trump owns the deaths in El Paso. trump may not have pulled the trigger but he sure provided the impetus. And by the way, you misspelled cumulative. Stay away from multisyllabic words. 1, As you know I have been an advocate to protect the poor communities of Chicago against gang violence for years here. About two weeks ago two young mothers who were part of a "mothers against deadly gun violence" in the neighborhoods were gunned down on a street corner while patrolling their neighborhood as they usually do. It is not just gang members dieing in the strrets. Kids shot on porch stoops, or sitting in the house with bullets coming through the windows, etc. 2. Firearms from Indiana. Yes, some legal purchases, some from other gangs in Indiana. Once they cross the city limits of Chicago, the owners are now breaking Chicago gun laws. No different than white shooters legally buying guns and using them illegally to shoot innocent people. Lest we forget, many of the guns are stolen from local homeowners in burglaries as well as pistols left in their cars....... 3. El Paso. If I post anything will I change anyone's mind here? No. I also have been posting less here due to the hysteria of the majority of posters here. Check my postings from the last few weeks. I am basically not here weekends anymore, and even Monday I only had a couple of posts. TDS is alive and well here and members such as you, have chased any Posters away who want an actual discussion, so blame yourself and others for lack of posting. Get back to me why mass killings are still ocurring after long gun confiscation occurs. Remember, many mass shootings actually ocurred via guns taken from other family members without their knowledge. Ban long gun purchases now, which I can no longer be against, despite the 2nd Amendment, but how do you take millions of them out of circulation around the country already here? 3. Spelling. Get over it. You have become a spelling Nazi and I imagine some people snicker at your snide remarks while others think, why do this, but will not bother saying it publicly because they are also suffering emotionally against our President. It makes you seem very shallow and I know you are a very smart person. 4. My post was to point out the public bashing of young white men (without also calling out young black men) that there are more mass murders ocurring in America every day, but do not meet the standards of four deaths. National media basically ignores the killings in Chicago, Baltimore, even Indianapolis. Local media does cover this slaughter. They happen one or two at a time, but add the weekend total numbers in each city, you have multiple killers killing multiple number of people. This is still terrible gun violence even if they are promarily just "gang bangers killing each other to control the white drug trade with the suburburn whites who are majority in their teens and 20's. Talk about racial biasis by liberals........it does not just live within conservatives heads....... (I did not check any spelling in this post before posting!)
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 7, 2019 9:18:09 GMT -5
So you go for the low hanging fruit of Chicago. We know what the firearms problem is in Chicago-gangs and easily purchased and transported firearms from your home state of Indiana. Yet you posted nothing about El Paso. Not a single word. trump owns the deaths in El Paso. trump may not have pulled the trigger but he sure provided the impetus. And by the way, you misspelled cumulative. Stay away from multisyllabic words. 1, As you know I have been an advocate to protect the poor communities of Chicago against gang violence for years here. About two weeks ago two young mothers who were part of a "mothers against deadly gun violence" in the neighborhoods were gunned down on a street corner while patrolling their neighborhood as they usually do. It is not just gang members dieing in the strrets. Kids shot on porch stoops, or sitting in the house with bullets coming through the windows, etc. 2. Firearms from Indiana. Yes, some legal purchases, some from other gangs in Indiana. Once they cross the city limits of Chicago, the owners are now breaking Chicago gun laws. No different than white shooters legally buying guns and using them illegally to shoot innocent people. Lest we forget, many of the guns are stolen from local homeowners in burglaries as well as pistols left in their cars....... 3. El Paso. If I post anything will I change anyone's mind here? No. I also have been posting less here due to the hysteria of the majority of posters here. Check my postings from the last few weeks. I am basically not here weekends anymore, and even Monday I only had a couple of posts. TDS is alive and well here and members such as you, have chased any Posters away who want an actual discussion, so blame yourself and others for lack of posting. Get back to me why mass killings are still ocurring after long gun confiscation occurs. Remember, many mass shootings actually ocurred via guns taken from other family members without their knowledge. Ban long gun purchases now, which I can no longer be against, despite the 2nd Amendment, but how do you take millions of them out of circulation around the country already here? 3. Spelling. Get over it. You have become a spelling Nazi and I imagine some people snicker at your snide remarks while others think, why do this, but will not bother saying it publicly because they are also suffering emotionally against our President. It makes you seem very shallow and I know you are a very smart person. 4. My post was to point out the public bashing of young white men (without also calling out young black men) that there are more mass murders ocurring in America every day, but do not meet the standards of four deaths. National media basically ignores the killings in Chicago, Baltimore, even Indianapolis. Local media does cover this slaughter. They happen one or two at a time, but add the weekend total numbers in each city, you have multiple killers killing multiple number of people. This is still terrible gun violence even if they are promarily just "gang bangers killing each other to control the white drug trade with the suburburn whites who are majority in their teens and 20's. Talk about racial biasis by liberals........it does not just live within conservatives heads....... (I did not check any spelling in this post before posting!) TL/NBTR.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 7, 2019 10:08:59 GMT -5
we are all a little racist. just like we all are a little gay.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 7, 2019 10:11:57 GMT -5
we are all a little racist. just like we all are a little gay. Glad you could read it. It's one big black blur of type to me with no line breaks. Too hard to read.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 12:32:32 GMT -5
Do you have a point? There are so many shootings nationwide that the media does not typically report every single one outside local news. What's your point? the point is that we appear unconcerned about gun violence in general, which is not true.
we are overwhelmed by it.
it is a little easier to get our heads around 250 mass murders than tens of thousands of homicides.
but sure, if you want to make this a general debate about gun violence, that is fine with me.
what do you suggest, VB and jma?
I have no suggestions. I have made it plainly clear that I am not overwhelmed and it is none of my business what is done. I have and will continue to protect myself because of this Supreme Court ruling. www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.htmlI'm well aware of what people are capable of doing, mentally healthy or not. My only concern is getting my rights restricted along with the other 99% plus, law abiding gun owners.
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