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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 3, 2019 22:22:13 GMT -5
Charming. Any whack job with a grudge, manifesto or vendetta has unlimited access to guns. Just how the NRA wants it Cool, Maybe you post some links showing that the NRA want this, You need to find those link Or I am going to call you out for what you really are!
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 3, 2019 22:32:28 GMT -5
I don’t give a rip about the opinion of someone who cheered when a hostile country attacked our election.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 3, 2019 23:09:53 GMT -5
I don’t give a rip about the opinion of someone who cheered when a hostile country attacked our election. Wooooo Hooooo Trump is making America Great Again!!! Doing great things, best of all, pissing off liberals back, forth up and down!!
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Post by countrygirl2 on Aug 4, 2019 7:19:30 GMT -5
That is not true. We lived in Texas 30 years and hubs and I had concealed carry permits. It was pretty stringent. We had to get a background check, fingerprinted. Then we had to go to a gun safety course, that consisted of lecture and shooting on a range, to make sure you could use your gun. You actually had to hit certain target areas to pass. It cost us $250 each. Now in Indiana, I got fingerprinted, paid a fee, $50? don't remember the cost. Paid a bit more for a lifetime license and that was it.
I can't imagine the assault guns are different but maybe so. I just know what we had to do.
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Post by saveinla on Aug 4, 2019 11:24:14 GMT -5
www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-08-04/nra-celebrated-looser-texas-gun-laws-before-el-paso-shootingWhat was most horrifying is what the El Paso shootings tell us about the utter inability and unwillingness of our political leaders to heed the message of gun violence by doing something about it. Texas is a model case, for its legislators and governor not only turned down measures that would impose rational controls on gun owners, but loosened existing laws. When you get 10 pro-2nd Amendment bills to the governor and he signs them all, I would rank it up there with one of the most successful sessions we’ve had. TARA MICA, NRA TEXAS LOBBYIST
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Post by haapai on Aug 4, 2019 11:53:47 GMT -5
I don't know how to post pictures.
No, it's that we have to use the word "shootings".
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Post by countrygirl2 on Aug 4, 2019 19:46:03 GMT -5
And you have a pres telling them beat them up, throw them out, I will pay the fine. Comparing minorities to rats, etc. Saying we have an invasion, well yes you will have weak minded and disturbed individuals take action. Look at how the so called rational people are acting. Some on forums are even saying he is not making racists comments, oh my god.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 5, 2019 8:42:14 GMT -5
And you have a pres telling them beat them up, throw them out, I will pay the fine. Comparing minorities to rats, etc. Saying we have an invasion, well yes you will have weak minded and disturbed individuals take action. Look at how the so called rational people are acting. Some on forums are even saying he is not making racists comments, oh my god. Comparing minorities to rats, I must have missed that,, do you have a link? Saying we have an invasion, Over 40,000 have been dropped off on Phoenix's street since the first of the year,,
that not even counting those that crossed the border did not get caught, more got thru than were caught. Here is what Trump is saying today.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 5, 2019 13:29:12 GMT -5
And you have a pres telling them beat them up, throw them out, I will pay the fine. Comparing minorities to rats, etc. Saying we have an invasion, well yes you will have weak minded and disturbed individuals take action. Look at how the so called rational people are acting. Some on forums are even saying he is not making racists comments, oh my god. Comparing minorities to rats, I must have missed that,, do you have a link? Saying we have an invasion, Over 40,000 have been dropped off on Phoenix's street since the first of the year,,
that not even counting those that crossed the border did not get caught, more got thru than were caught. Here is what Trump is saying today. It wasn't immigrants that committed these shootings, there is no reason to tie immigration law to it. I hope he is serious about red flag laws and better background checks. I wish he would include a ban on assault weapons.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Aug 5, 2019 17:38:47 GMT -5
He was talking about Baltimore with rats, vermin, etc, what do you think he was saying. He was basically saying it was that way because of blacks, he didn't come right out and say it, pretty easy to get that message and its implication.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 5, 2019 17:58:51 GMT -5
Can’t even read a teleprompter
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 6, 2019 12:44:47 GMT -5
A lady approached me in the grocery store yesterday (I am not sure why she picked me) and asked if there was any news about the 'clean-up' of the Wal-Mart in El Paso. Her son works there, but wasn't at the location when it happened. She looked quite pained at the whole situation. It broke a little piece of my heart. That is sort of the closest personal experience I've had to any of these types of shootings.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 6, 2019 13:03:34 GMT -5
Meanwhile in Chicago the toll was 48 shot, another 7 killed over the weekend. Since it is not white boys doing the killing, it does not register on the national news or matter to anyone. Of course the count took three days to get that high, and not all shootings were with automatic weapons, so why worry about it? Does seven killed register as a mass murder? No, because it was a cumlative total, and not one gun battle.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 13:22:44 GMT -5
Meanwhile in Chicago the toll was 48 shot, another 7 killed over the weekend. Since it is not white boys doing the killing, it does not register on the national news or matter to anyone.Of course the count took three days to get that high, and not all shootings were with automatic weapons, so why worry about it? Does seven killed register as a mass murder? No, because it was a cumlative total, and not one gun battle.If you can't play in the racism, it doesn't bring in the viewers on the liberal media channels. Soooo, no need to cover it. (first bolded) Blurring the line is standard practice for the gun control schtick. (bolded) IT'S ANOTHER MASS MURDER ! Quote; According to the FBI, for individuals, mass murder is defined as the person murdering four or more persons during a particular event with no cooling-off period between the murders.www.definitions.net/definition/mass%20murder
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 6, 2019 13:31:05 GMT -5
Meanwhile in Chicago the toll was 48 shot, another 7 killed over the weekend. Since it is not white boys doing the killing, it does not register on the national news or matter to anyone. Of course the count took three days to get that high, and not all shootings were with automatic weapons, so why worry about it? Does seven killed register as a mass murder? No, because it was a cumlative total, and not one gun battle. Do you have a point? There are so many shootings nationwide that the media does not typically report every single one outside local news. What's your point?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 6, 2019 14:49:02 GMT -5
Meanwhile in Chicago the toll was 48 shot, another 7 killed over the weekend. Since it is not white boys doing the killing, it does not register on the national news or matter to anyone. Of course the count took three days to get that high, and not all shootings were with automatic weapons, so why worry about it? Does seven killed register as a mass murder? No, because it was a cumlative total, and not one gun battle. Do you have a point? There are so many shootings nationwide that the media does not typically report every single one outside local news. What's your point? the point is that we appear unconcerned about gun violence in general, which is not true.
we are overwhelmed by it.
it is a little easier to get our heads around 250 mass murders than tens of thousands of homicides.
but sure, if you want to make this a general debate about gun violence, that is fine with me.
what do you suggest, VB and jma?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 6, 2019 15:16:41 GMT -5
Meanwhile in Chicago the toll was 48 shot, another 7 killed over the weekend. Since it is not white boys doing the killing, it does not register on the national news or matter to anyone. Of course the count took three days to get that high, and not all shootings were with automatic weapons, so why worry about it? Does seven killed register as a mass murder? No, because it was a cumlative total, and not one gun battle. So you go for the low hanging fruit of Chicago. We know what the firearms problem is in Chicago-gangs and easily purchased and transported firearms from your home state of Indiana. Yet you posted nothing about El Paso. Not a single word. trump owns the deaths in El Paso. trump may not have pulled the trigger but he sure provided the impetus. And by the way, you misspelled cumulative. Stay away from multisyllabic words.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 6, 2019 15:22:02 GMT -5
The majority of gun deaths are suicides. I have discussed suicides, domestic violence and accidents on every thread about guns. A license requirement may not have prevented El Paso, but it would reduce suicides, domestic violence and accidents. It wouldn't eliminate them, but it would reduce them - possibly significantly.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 6, 2019 15:40:58 GMT -5
Good Washington Post opinion piece-though may be behind a paywall for some. Let me know. Trump doesn’t just pollute the social environment with hate. He is the environment.It is 1,218 miles from the Aaron Bessant Park Amphitheater in Panama City Beach, Fla. , to the Walmart at 7101 Gateway Blvd. W in El Paso. It was in that park that President Trump, on May 8 , was amused by the answer someone in his audience shouted in response to his shouted question about would-be immigrants at the southern border. His question was, “How do you stop these people?” The shouted answer was, “Shoot them.” Trump, with a grade schooler’s delight in naughtiness, smiled and replied, “Only in the Panhandle you can get away with that statement.” But does what happens in the Panhandle stay there? When mass shootings occur, the nation quickly returns to worthy debates about three questions. One is whether gun-control measures can be both constitutional and effective in making mass shootings less likely. A second debate concerns the ability and propriety of law enforcement (in which private citizens properly have a collaborative role) attempts to identify individuals, usually young males, who might violently act out their inner turmoil. The third question, which is braided with the second, acquires special urgency because of the nature of today’s most prominent American: Can we locate causes of violence in promptings from the social atmosphere? To the first question, part of the answer is that a reasonable reading of the Supreme Court’s 2008 Heller decision, which affirmed that the Second Amendment guarantees the individual a right to bear arms, permits many measures regulating certain kinds of weapons and ammunition magazines. The second question must be informed by the third — and by science. Complete article here: Trump doesn’t just pollute the social environment with hate. He is the environment.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Aug 6, 2019 16:21:54 GMT -5
Meanwhile in Chicago the toll was 48 shot, another 7 killed over the weekend. Since it is not white boys doing the killing, it does not register on the national news or matter to anyone. Of course the count took three days to get that high, and not all shootings were with automatic weapons, so why worry about it? Does seven killed register as a mass murder? No, because it was a cumlative total, and not one gun battle. So you go for the low hanging fruit of Chicago. We know what the firearms problem is in Chicago-gangs and easily purchased and transported firearms from your home state of Indiana. Yet you posted nothing about El Paso. Not a single word. trump owns the deaths in El Paso. trump may not have pulled the trigger but he sure provided the impetus. And by the way, you misspelled cumulative. Stay away from multisyllabic words. I think the thing I find most amusing about these types of "arguments" are that they highlight what the country needs may be even STRICTER gun laws than are being initially proposed.
Go ahead, continue to make the case that the issue isn't assault style rifles, but, in fact, most all forms of multi-shot handguns and firearms.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 6, 2019 16:24:08 GMT -5
So you go for the low hanging fruit of Chicago. We know what the firearms problem is in Chicago-gangs and easily purchased and transported firearms from your home state of Indiana. Yet you posted nothing about El Paso. Not a single word. trump owns the deaths in El Paso. trump may not have pulled the trigger but he sure provided the impetus. And by the way, you misspelled cumulative. Stay away from multisyllabic words. I think the thing I find most amusing about these types of "arguments" are that they highlight what the country needs may be even STRICTER gun laws than are being initially proposed.
Go ahead, continue to make the case that the issue isn't assault style rifles, but, in fact, most all forms of multi-shot handguns and firearms.
I think that's true because for so long everyone's been tiptoeing around the rabid gun nutters who regard ANY kind of restriction as a 2nd amendment violation. Which is, of course, nonsense. I'm tired of trying to placate them. I want the 2nd repealed. Period.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 20:10:37 GMT -5
I think the thing I find most amusing about these types of "arguments" are that they highlight what the country needs may be even STRICTER gun laws than are being initially proposed.
Go ahead, continue to make the case that the issue isn't assault style rifles, but, in fact, most all forms of multi-shot handguns and firearms.
I think that's true because for so long everyone's been tiptoeing around the rabid gun nutters who regard ANY kind of restriction as a 2nd amendment violation. Which is, of course, nonsense. I'm tired of trying to placate them. I want the 2nd repealed. Period. Boink you.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 6, 2019 20:13:49 GMT -5
I think that's true because for so long everyone's been tiptoeing around the rabid gun nutters who regard ANY kind of restriction as a 2nd amendment violation. Which is, of course, nonsense. I'm tired of trying to placate them. I want the 2nd repealed. Period. Boink you.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Aug 6, 2019 20:15:50 GMT -5
I think the thing I find most amusing about these types of "arguments" are that they highlight what the country needs may be even STRICTER gun laws than are being initially proposed.
Go ahead, continue to make the case that the issue isn't assault style rifles, but, in fact, most all forms of multi-shot handguns and firearms.
I think that's true because for so long everyone's been tiptoeing around the rabid gun nutters who regard ANY kind of restriction as a 2nd amendment violation. Which is, of course, nonsense. I'm tired of trying to placate them. I want the 2nd repealed. Period. I used to be much more moderate in my stance on gun control. One of the big factors in moving me further to the left on the issue was realizing the right had no interest in doing ANYTHING. And in fact, often corrects in the opposite direction after a tragedy. The staunch pro-gun crowd isn't rational; they're fanatics. You can't reason with a fanatic, nor can you ever hope to find a middle ground with someone who refuses to even admit there is a problem. The conversation has to leave them behind if the country ever hopes to move forward.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 20:20:56 GMT -5
How many people in Chicago were shot this week. how many were shot with an assault rifle?? www.washingtonpost.com/ how many people were shot in Baltimore this year?? how many were shot with an assault rifle?? How many people were shot in Memphis this year, how many were shot with an assault rifle?? And you are upset over people using Assault rifles , when most assault rifles are not used in the shootings?? Go Figure,
How many of the shooters were members of the NRA??
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 20:22:25 GMT -5
I think that's true because for so long everyone's been tiptoeing around the rabid gun nutters who regard ANY kind of restriction as a 2nd amendment violation. Which is, of course, nonsense. I'm tired of trying to placate them. I want the 2nd repealed. Period. I used to be much more moderate in my stance on gun control. One of the big factors in moving me further to the left on the issue was realizing the right had no interest in doing ANYTHING. And in fact, often corrects in the opposite direction after a tragedy. The staunch pro-gun crowd isn't rational; they're fanatics. You can't reason with a fanatic, nor can you ever hope to find a middle ground with someone who refuses to even admit there is a problem. The conversation has to leave them behind if the country ever hopes to move forward. Out of all the shootings,, How many were NRA members?
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 6, 2019 20:41:01 GMT -5
I used to be much more moderate in my stance on gun control. One of the big factors in moving me further to the left on the issue was realizing the right had no interest in doing ANYTHING. And in fact, often corrects in the opposite direction after a tragedy. The staunch pro-gun crowd isn't rational; they're fanatics. You can't reason with a fanatic, nor can you ever hope to find a middle ground with someone who refuses to even admit there is a problem. The conversation has to leave them behind if the country ever hopes to move forward. Out of all the shootings,, How many were NRA members? The NRA members are the ones making sure EVERYONE can get the guns needed to do all these killings. OC do you own an assault rifle? Why are you so determined that your next door neighbour or friendly neighbourhood idiot has no problem getting their hands on one?
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 6, 2019 20:43:11 GMT -5
How many people in Chicago were shot this week. how many were shot with an assault rifle?? www.washingtonpost.com/ how many people were shot in Baltimore this year?? how many were shot with an assault rifle?? How many people were shot in Memphis this year, how many were shot with an assault rifle?? And you are upset over people using Assault rifles , when most assault rifles are not used in the shootings?? Go Figure,
How many of the shooters were members of the NRA??
Since you don't seem to clearly understand...we are against the killings in Chicago and Memphis too. The compromise is only looking for a ban on assault rifles.
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