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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 5, 2019 16:27:48 GMT -5
Trump and other republicans are blaming video games for mass shootings. Other countries have the EXACT SAME video games, and yet manage to avoid so many mass shootings. Why is that? Could it be the easy availability of weapons? Or maybe the kids in the USA are more mentally disturbed than those in other countries?
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 5, 2019 16:29:43 GMT -5
Following two mass shootings in Dayton, Ohio, and El Paso, Texas, this past weekend, a familiar cycle is playing out: lawmakers and government officials offer thoughts and prayers, yet take no action to prevent future tragedies. Manifestos are dissected and distributed online. Fingers are pointed everywhere besides gun control — and, once again, the blame has landed on video games. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy told Fox & Friends that video games “dehumanize individuals.” In a speech today, President Trump pointed at video games specifically as a root cause for mass shootings. www.theverge.com/2019/8/5/20754793/trump-gun-control-video-games-violence-republicans-no-evidence-dayton-el-paso-texas-ohioIn the United States, there have been more shootings in 2019 than days in the year. It’s a uniquely American problem with a death count that pales in comparison to other countries. Focusing attention on games as a source is once again leaving room to ignore the real issues that lead to mass shootings: radicalization, mental health, and lack of gun control. It’s a distraction — a deadly one that will cost more lives when the next shooting happens.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 5, 2019 19:38:19 GMT -5
Pros and cons of gun control by Mrs. Betty Bowers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 7:14:24 GMT -5
There is better and there is much worse. I'm not condoning people shooting each other, it's just a price of technology. And I don't say that to marginalize what's happening either. There will always be death in regards to our technology, when applied to human usage. A much bigger, more recent problem on the horizon is social media distractions while operating motorized transportation. Recent fatalities; Quote; 3,526 in 2015 ----- 3,450 in 2016,www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accident/cause-of-accident/cell-phone/cell-phone-statistics.html VS Quote; This tally begins Aug. 1, 1966, when a student sniper fired down on passersby from the observation deck of a clock tower at the University of Texas. By the time police killed him, 17 other people were dead or dying. As Texas Monthly’s Pamela Colloff wrote, the shooting “ushered in the notion that any group of people, anywhere — even walking around a university campus on a summer day — could be killed at random by a stranger.” Since then, updated @ August 4, 2019 there has been a total killed in mass shootings of 1194 www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/ That's an average of 22.5 mass shooting deaths per year since 1966 Thinking of how it's covered by the media, and the posts of "can't keep up", made me think of the actual statistics. It's interesting how conservatives like to throw out the "it's not statistically likely to happen to you so don't get your panties in a wad" argument.
Apparently, conservatives are only worried about what might happen to them personally, and feel that, if they carry a gun, this can't ever happen to them, so no big deal. Same argument with global warning (if it happens, it won't be for hundreds of years and I'll be dead) and poor standards in education (I can afford to live someplace with nice schools, and I don't care what happens to someone else's kids).
It's a very Trump-esque, "I'm the only one who matters" approach.
Can't say I like it.
It's interesting how liberals expect no reaction to the nasty things they say. After years of reading posts about guns owners wanting to be hero's in some juvenile sort of way, they have convinced me that a hero is not the way to not go. I carry my gun for my or my DW's protection only. She carries also, and really doesn't need much help, she a better with a handgun than I am. Everyone else who chooses 'not' to carry is on their own. They are free to choose to not protect themselves and I'm good with that. A good guy with a gun only shoots back when he's the target, is my preferred action. That decision was made years before Trump was president. Now that I think about it, a lot of gun owners feel this way. The consensus was forming during the Obama years, with his negative gun outlook. When your standing in that next gun free sheep pen, with all the others, you might want to check if any psychos are cutting through the fence. It does happen. I will vote pro gun platforms every time, even if it's for people like Trump.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 6, 2019 7:20:59 GMT -5
Trump and other republicans are blaming video games for mass shootings. Other countries have the EXACT SAME video games, and yet manage to avoid so many mass shootings. Why is that? Could it be the easy availability of weapons? Or maybe the kids in the USA are more mentally disturbed than those in other countries? Look at how old most Republicans and Trump are. I am surprised they aren't throwing out Rock n'Roll and sex as reasons why we have mass shootings. This is what happens when you choose to elect people who are trapped in the "good old days".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 7:27:55 GMT -5
Trump and other republicans are blaming video games for mass shootings. Other countries have the EXACT SAME video games, and yet manage to avoid so many mass shootings. Why is that? Could it be the easy availability of weapons? Or maybe the kids in the USA are more mentally disturbed than those in other countries? Look at how old most Republicans and Trump are. I am surprised they aren't throwing out Rock n'Roll and sex as reasons why we have mass shootings. This is what happens when you choose to elect people who are trapped in the "good old days". Nah, any reason will do. I'm not looking for an answer why. We been killing each other since the dawn of mans history, and haven't changed one bit. There never were any good old days. When you look at voting ages, what's more interesting is the change over date when lots of the entitled democrats, start voting Republican. As in hey, wait a minute, I'm voting for a party that's buying the 'young' vote with my hard earned tax money.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 6, 2019 7:47:36 GMT -5
Trump and other republicans are blaming video games for mass shootings. Other countries have the EXACT SAME video games, and yet manage to avoid so many mass shootings. Why is that? Could it be the easy availability of weapons? Or maybe the kids in the USA are more mentally disturbed than those in other countries? Look at how old most Republicans and Trump are. I am surprised they aren't throwing out Rock n'Roll and sex as reasons why we have mass shootings. This is what happens when you choose to elect people who are trapped in the "good old days". One of the Ohio GOP state politicians posted on facebook that it was because of the gays and the trans and people who couldn't accept that Trump was elected president that the shooting happened. The head of the Ohio GOP party organization has told her she needed to resign. Doubt she will.
Blame anything and anyone but easy access to guns, that's the GOP motto.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 6, 2019 7:53:01 GMT -5
It's interesting how conservatives like to throw out the "it's not statistically likely to happen to you so don't get your panties in a wad" argument.
Apparently, conservatives are only worried about what might happen to them personally, and feel that, if they carry a gun, this can't ever happen to them, so no big deal. Same argument with global warning (if it happens, it won't be for hundreds of years and I'll be dead) and poor standards in education (I can afford to live someplace with nice schools, and I don't care what happens to someone else's kids).
It's a very Trump-esque, "I'm the only one who matters" approach.
Can't say I like it.
It's interesting how liberals expect no reaction to the nasty things they say.After years of reading posts about guns owners wanting to be hero's in some juvenile sort of way, they have convinced me that a hero is not the way to not go. I carry my gun for my or my DW's protection only. She carries also, and really doesn't need much help, she a better with a handgun than I am. Everyone else who chooses 'not' to carry is on their own. They are free to choose to not protect themselves and I'm good with that. A good guy with a gun only shoots back when he's the target, is my preferred action. That decision was made years before Trump was president. Now that I think about it, a lot of gun owners feel this way. The consensus was forming during the Obama years, with his negative gun outlook. When your standing in that next gun free sheep pen, with all the others, you might want to check if any psychos are cutting through the fence. It does happen. I will vote pro gun platforms every time, even if it's for people like Trump. Your president is Trump, and you say this? Adorable.
I don't care if you carry a gun, or if your wife and 12 kids all carry guns, every day, all the time. Even if one of them has a psycho moment and starts shooting in a 'sheep pen' as you so quaintly call it, the damage a hand gun can do in a big open space with a bunch of people running past is not nearly as bad as some psycho with a military type rapid fire weapon. 9 people dead in 21 seconds, remember.
Most people against military type rapid fire weapons are not actually against hand guns, or hunting rifles. Many of them actually own one (my DH has two hunting rifles). But anyone starts talking about taking measures against the types of weapons white supremist terrorists choose in inflict the most hard, and all the gun nuts start wailing about how they don't want to give up their hand guns.
No one said anything about fucking hand guns or hunting rifles. Just 'uncommon' weapons. Stop being a hand wringing snowflake.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 8:20:51 GMT -5
What about suicides in Korea? A shotgun that's sell here for $500, sells there for about $8000. Just think if they had guns what the rate would be,, Since we are trying indicate how stable people in other Countries are.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 6, 2019 8:28:54 GMT -5
OMG, they want to take away my thermo-nuclear hydrogen bomb, with advance guidance systems in the cruise missile delivery vehicle. Next thing you know, they'll be after my snub nose .38 revolver! Can anyone here, explain how we will get reduced gun deaths, with confiscating every gun in America?
I do mean every gun,, door to door searches, death penalties for those who do not turn over their guns,
Do you thing robberies are going down because of the removal of guns. London where there are no guns,, homicides by stabbing are going up. Cities where people use trucks to run down people.
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It's interesting how liberals expect no reaction to the nasty things they say.After years of reading posts about guns owners wanting to be hero's in some juvenile sort of way, they have convinced me that a hero is not the way to not go. I carry my gun for my or my DW's protection only. She carries also, and really doesn't need much help, she a better with a handgun than I am. Everyone else who chooses 'not' to carry is on their own. They are free to choose to not protect themselves and I'm good with that. A good guy with a gun only shoots back when he's the target, is my preferred action. That decision was made years before Trump was president. Now that I think about it, a lot of gun owners feel this way. The consensus was forming during the Obama years, with his negative gun outlook. When your standing in that next gun free sheep pen, with all the others, you might want to check if any psychos are cutting through the fence. It does happen. I will vote pro gun platforms every time, even if it's for people like Trump. Your president is Trump, and you say this? Adorable.
I don't care if you carry a gun, or if your wife and 12 kids all carry guns, every day, all the time. Even if one of them has a psycho moment and starts shooting in a 'sheep pen' as you so quaintly call it, the damage a hand gun can do in a big open space with a bunch of people running past is not nearly as bad as some psycho with a military type rapid fire weapon. 9 people dead in 21 seconds, remember.
Most people against military type rapid fire weapons are not actually against hand guns, or hunting rifles. Many of them actually own one (my DH has two hunting rifles). But anyone starts talking about taking measures against the types of weapons white supremist terrorists choose in inflict the most hard, and all the gun nuts start wailing about how they don't want to give up their hand guns.
No one said anything about fucking hand guns or hunting rifles. Just 'uncommon' weapons. Stop being a hand wringing snowflake.
Just as a reminder, he's your president Trump also, lol. "Hand wringing snow flake". Good one ! From not caring to hand wringing snowflake. Y'all really need to make up your mind on this ! Mine is made up. I'm only protecting myself, no one else. I'll run away unless I have actually have no possible way out, and have to engage to protect only myself, family. Liberals create those sheep pens, they can deal with the criminals. As an aside, you seem rather ignorant on the type/operation of various firearms. You've got to get a better source than CNN. The liberal media is notorious for omissions in reporting.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 6, 2019 11:18:00 GMT -5
"There is better and there is much worse.
I'm not condoning people shooting each other, it's just a price of technology.
And I don't say that to marginalize what's happening either.
There will always be death in regards to our technology, when applied to human usage. "
That's exactly what you're doing.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 6, 2019 11:21:02 GMT -5
Your president is Trump, and you say this? Adorable.
I don't care if you carry a gun, or if your wife and 12 kids all carry guns, every day, all the time. Even if one of them has a psycho moment and starts shooting in a 'sheep pen' as you so quaintly call it, the damage a hand gun can do in a big open space with a bunch of people running past is not nearly as bad as some psycho with a military type rapid fire weapon. 9 people dead in 21 seconds, remember.
Most people against military type rapid fire weapons are not actually against hand guns, or hunting rifles. Many of them actually own one (my DH has two hunting rifles). But anyone starts talking about taking measures against the types of weapons white supremist terrorists choose in inflict the most hard, and all the gun nuts start wailing about how they don't want to give up their hand guns.
No one said anything about fucking hand guns or hunting rifles. Just 'uncommon' weapons. Stop being a hand wringing snowflake.
Just as a reminder, he's your president Trump also, lol. "Hand wringing snow flake". Good one ! From not caring to hand wringing snowflake. Y'all really need to make up your mind on this ! Mine is made up. I'm only protecting myself, no one else. I'll run away unless I have actually have no possible way out, and have to engage to protect only myself, family. Liberals create those sheep pens, they can deal with the criminals. As an aside, you seem rather ignorant on the type/operation of various firearms. You've got to get a better source than CNN. The liberal media is notorious for omissions in reporting. Bo, he’s NOT my president. He has made it very clear that he is president only to CERTAIN Americans and I’m not one if them
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 6, 2019 11:22:14 GMT -5
"There is better and there is much worse.
I'm not condoning people shooting each other, it's just a price of technology.
And I don't say that to marginalize what's happening either.
There will always be death in regards to our technology, when applied to human usage. "That's exactly what you're doing. Supporting Domestic Terrorists with your indifference and apathy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 11:23:07 GMT -5
Kind of humorous that this gun discussion is in progress right now. The Dw and I just renewed our concealed carry licenses this morning. We both renewed with the unrestricted weapon classification of course. My dw is still kind of impressive with a semi auto handgun at 61 years old. She punched out five rounds in the smallest section in the center of the silhouette target in less than five seconds ! The instructor is a retired state police sergeant. He just looks and smiles in appreciation. No unintended collateral damage coming from her.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 11:25:37 GMT -5
Just as a reminder, he's your president Trump also, lol. "Hand wringing snow flake". Good one ! From not caring to hand wringing snowflake. Y'all really need to make up your mind on this ! Mine is made up. I'm only protecting myself, no one else. I'll run away unless I have actually have no possible way out, and have to engage to protect only myself, family. Liberals create those sheep pens, they can deal with the criminals. As an aside, you seem rather ignorant on the type/operation of various firearms. You've got to get a better source than CNN. The liberal media is notorious for omissions in reporting. Bo, he’s NOT my president. He has made it very clear that he is president only to CERTAIN Americans and I’m not one if them You live in the United States ? He's your president. And he represents all of us whether you like him or not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 11:39:08 GMT -5
"There is better and there is much worse.
I'm not condoning people shooting each other, it's just a price of technology.
And I don't say that to marginalize what's happening either.
There will always be death in regards to our technology, when applied to human usage. "That's exactly what you're doing. Supporting Domestic Terrorists with your indifference and apathy Indifference supports nothing. Read that as I don't care if you choose not to defend yourself. I'm really, really good with that. Reminds me of that joke of two guys being charged by a bear in the woods. One is saying to the other "you're going to try and outrun a bear" ? The other answers no, I only need to outrun you !
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 6, 2019 11:42:29 GMT -5
Kind of humorous that this gun discussion is in progress right now.
The Dw and I just renewed our concealed carry licenses this morning. We both renewed with the unrestricted weapon classification of course. My dw is still kind of impressive with a semi auto handgun at 61 years old. She punched out five rounds in the smallest section in the center of the silhouette target in less than five seconds ! The instructor is a retired state police sergeant. He just looks and smiles in appreciation. No unintended collateral damage coming from her. Yes,very humorous. A real laugh riot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 12:20:06 GMT -5
I have no problems with vigorous background checks as some suggest.
Although they are quite comprehensive right now.
Anyone have a problem applying the same standard to immigration and voter ID ?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 6, 2019 14:42:43 GMT -5
I have no problems with vigorous background checks as some suggest. Although they are quite comprehensive right now. Anyone have a problem applying the same standard to immigration and voter ID ? I have no problem with voter ID laws that have specific requirements that address specific problems of fraudulent voting.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 6, 2019 14:44:10 GMT -5
I have no problems with vigorous background checks as some suggest. Although they are quite comprehensive right now. Anyone have a problem applying the same standard to immigration and voter ID ? I am against any furtherance of bureaucracy that does not address a serious, specific problem.
I understand that there is extreme vetting for immigrants already.
what serious, specific problem is voter ID addressing?
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 6, 2019 14:47:44 GMT -5
I have no problems with vigorous background checks as some suggest. Although they are quite comprehensive right now. Anyone have a problem applying the same standard to immigration and voter ID ? US immigration is actually pretty stringent. It takes 7 to 33 months to get a green card. And there are only 140,000 green cards issued per year. Then 10 more months to apply for citizenship. IF you get approved.
And if you're coming from a Muslim country, our immigration process is more stringent than any other first world country's, and you have to sit in a refugee camp for a couple years while waiting for it to go through. That's why so many prefer to go to Canada instead.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 12:18:15 GMT -5
I have no problems with vigorous background checks as some suggest. Although they are quite comprehensive right now. Anyone have a problem applying the same standard to immigration and voter ID ? I am against any furtherance of bureaucracy that does not address a serious, specific problem.
I understand that there is extreme vetting for immigrants already.
what serious, specific problem is voter ID addressing?
Voter fraud.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 7, 2019 14:37:30 GMT -5
I am against any furtherance of bureaucracy that does not address a serious, specific problem.
I understand that there is extreme vetting for immigrants already.
what serious, specific problem is voter ID addressing?
Voter fraud. Where and how much? Are you talking about 10 votes, 100's, 1000's? you may want to back this up.
I am not saying that voter fraud should not be prosecuted, but I am saying that despite Trump's directive to look into the issue, they haven't been able to come up with much of anything. Now making it almost impossibe for certain eligible voters to actually cast their votes seems to have become the new "olympic" sport in certain regions of the country. You might want to demand that attention is paid to that.
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Where and how much? Are you talking about 10 votes, 100's, 1000's? you may want to back this up.
I am not saying that voter fraud should not be prosecuted, but I am saying that despite Trump's directive to look into the issue, they haven't been able to come up with much of anything. Now making it almost impossibe for certain eligible voters to actually cast their votes seems to have become the new "olympic" sport in certain regions of the country. You might want to demand that attention is paid to that.
and why so much concern over this type of vote tampering, but not say Russian interference? or the security of our voter systems, keeping an auditable trail? It really looks like the Republicans are trying to make it difficult of their opponents to vote, and make it impossible for anyone to prove that they are the ones that are committing illegal acts with regard to voting. If they are innocent, they by all means, go ahead and provide us with records that can be audited. I graduated from High School in the 1980's. We talked about auditing records before I graduated. We still are not there. One has to think it is intentional, as we should not be that far behind the times.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 7, 2019 18:16:09 GMT -5
I am against any furtherance of bureaucracy that does not address a serious, specific problem.
I understand that there is extreme vetting for immigrants already.
what serious, specific problem is voter ID addressing?
Voter fraud. the worst voter fraud is with absentee ballots. do you support banning the practice or requiring in person voting for absentee ballots?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 11:19:25 GMT -5
Where and how much? Are you talking about 10 votes, 100's, 1000's? you may want to back this up.
I am not saying that voter fraud should not be prosecuted, but I am saying that despite Trump's directive to look into the issue, they haven't been able to come up with much of anything. Now making it almost impossibe for certain eligible voters to actually cast their votes seems to have become the new "olympic" sport in certain regions of the country. You might want to demand that attention is paid to that.
I'm demanding nothing. I was asking a question . In this post you quoted, I was answering one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 11:23:44 GMT -5
the worst voter fraud is with absentee ballots. do you support banning the practice or requiring in person voting for absentee ballots?
Don't have a so!ution. Was just answer to your question .
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