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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2019 0:47:37 GMT -5
I look at it as if a person can do this, it's a part of our nature. There is no rule that behavioral human nature is an absolute to the whole human race. Subsets of behavior exist everywhere. that is a really low bar, that excuses every human action, no matter how horrific.
I prefer to think we are better than that.
there are some human rules that approach universal. one is what is commonly called "the golden rule" it is far more common, than, say, roasting neighborhood kids in your back yard and eating them. but I am sure you can find someone out there that has done that.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 5, 2019 6:42:50 GMT -5
Quite ironically, this post was started for the event in Gilroy CA. Yesterday we had El Paso. And then we wake up to the news of the mass shooting- and it is Dayton Ohio. We quite literally cannot keep up any longer. They are just too frequent. I was speaking with my sister yesterday morning, and she said that when she turned on the news for the forecast, she thought that the anchors talking about the Walmart mass shooting were talking about the one 3 weeks ago, not a new one. that's fucked up. to paraphrase a meme I have seen often lately - the debate on gun control in the US ended with Sandy Hook, when we as a society decided that killing children was tolerable. 🥀
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 5, 2019 8:23:34 GMT -5
OK Demi, What are you going to do,, that is effective in stopping this?? Did my post hint of action to you? I was simply making the point that the killings are just too frequent for us to even keep up with them. Demi, I am sick of this myself, The question was asking if you had a solution,, I do not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 8:31:22 GMT -5
I look at it as if a person can do this, it's a part of our nature. There is no rule that behavioral human nature is an absolute to the whole human race. Subsets of behavior exist everywhere. that is a really low bar, that excuses every human action, no matter how horrific.
I prefer to think we are better than that
there are some human rules that approach universal. one is what is commonly called "the golden rule" it is far more common, than, say, roasting neighborhood kids in your back yard and eating them. but I am sure you can find someone out there that has done that.
I wasn't looking at it as an action, but more of a capability of an action. Human nature is probably to broad of a general term. I'm hoping we're all better than the example you came up with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 8:36:44 GMT -5
OK Demi, What are you going to do,, that is effective in stopping this?? Did my post hint of action to you? I was simply making the point that the killings are just too frequent for us to even keep up with them. You would have to compare the risk vs other risk. It's actually one of the least things you need worry about. Because the media likes it's hyperbole to sell commercial time, the amount of coverage doesn't equal the amount of risk. Your answer of "keeping up" kind of formed my answer.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Aug 5, 2019 9:31:20 GMT -5
Quite ironically, this post was started for the event in Gilroy CA. Yesterday we had El Paso. And then we wake up to the news of the mass shooting- and it is Dayton Ohio. We quite literally cannot keep up any longer. They are just too frequent. I was speaking with my sister yesterday morning, and she said that when she turned on the news for the forecast, she thought that the anchors talking about the Walmart mass shooting were talking about the one 3 weeks ago, not a new one. that's fucked up. to paraphrase a meme I have seen often lately - the debate on gun control in the US ended with Sandy Hook, when we as a society decided that killing children was tolerable. 🥀 I was reading an article or something this weekend and they mentioned Gilroy. I seriously had to stop a moment and think about what they were referencing. My ability to hold these shootings in short term memory is seriously fading since they are happening with such frequency. The only ones that stand out anymore are the ones that are truly huge (like Pulse or Las Vegas).
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 5, 2019 9:44:31 GMT -5
trump cannot even read a teleprompter.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 5, 2019 9:48:39 GMT -5
Demi, I am sick of this myself, The question was asking if you had a solution,, I do not. A solution, as in a silver bullet kind of thing? Sadly, no. I think there are a host of things we can do to make them eventually decrease in both scale and frequency, but at this point the horse is so far away from the open barn door that it will take a lot of time and effort- and political will. A few things that will help, on several fronts- 1. Mental health awareness and services. Background checks and screening to buy weapons. Suicide awareness and counseling. Family violence awareness and counseling. Ramping down of hate filled and racist rhetoric. Ramping down of violent media content and glorification. 2. Limits on magazine sizes (say 10 rounds). Waiting period to buy guns. Registration, restriction, and permits required to buy certain classifications of anti-personnel weapons and guns. registration, permits, and restrictions to buy certain ammunition. Buy back programs for anti-personnel weapons. 3. Barring certain violent offenders from possessing specified weapons. Repeal of hidden carry laws. Requiring permits to carry in public places. Red flag laws to confiscate weapons from those who commit or are likely to commit violent crimes. These are all suggestions that comply with the Second Amendment to the US Constitution. OK let's say the law biding person does this, The criminal element is not,
Seriously, do you think that if some one is up to murdering some one ,, they will care not to use an large cap mag??
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 5, 2019 9:50:27 GMT -5
trump cannot even read a teleprompter. Oh, would it have been better for Trump to say screww em.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 5, 2019 10:02:01 GMT -5
trump cannot even read a teleprompter. Oh, would it have been better for Trump to say screww em. He probably has said it to his inner circle. Just not to the American people - yet.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 5, 2019 10:19:22 GMT -5
trump cannot even read a teleprompter. He was so disinterested in the shootings he didn't interrupt his golf weekend to make a public statement about it. Just a tweet, stuck in with some tweets against his enemies.
If he can't be bothered to interrupt his golf game over it, how can he be expected to remember the name of the town?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 5, 2019 10:42:02 GMT -5
OK let's say the law biding person does this, The criminal element is not,
Seriously, do you think that if some one is up to murdering some one ,, they will care not to use an large cap mag??
You ask for solutions, and all you do is throw up roadblocks to them. Solutions are obvious. Where else in the developed world are mass shootings a near daily occurrence? The NRA and its supporters consider the lives of innocent people simply "collateral damage" in order to sell more arms and make a profit. The money they pay McConnell and other politicians is peanuts compared to the profits they reap by politicians refusing to do the right thing.
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Post by kadee79 on Aug 5, 2019 10:49:01 GMT -5
Well, you have to start some place & it won't happen over night...it will take time to get all the assault weapons out of public hands, just as it will take time to get the big capacity magazines out too.
BUT, by strengthening laws...making them FEDERAL instead of what each state wants...it will make it harder & harder for these things to be procured....by honest citizens or criminals.
But first YOU HAVE TO START!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if anyone doesn't know yet...we are gun owners...both long guns & pistols...of all sorts, all sizes & magazines of many capacities...just nothing with 100 though!
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 5, 2019 10:52:26 GMT -5
Of course trump takes zero responsibility for being the cause, even if only small part of it, of the climate of anger and rage in our country. Americans voters need to remember this next year when they vote.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 10:52:45 GMT -5
You would have to compare the risk vs other risk. It's actually one of the least things you need worry about. Because the media likes it's hyperbole to sell commercial time, the amount of coverage doesn't equal the amount of risk. Your answer of "keeping up" kind of formed my answer. Compare it to gun injury and death in other countries. There is better and there is much worse. I'm not condoning people shooting each other, it's just a price of technology. And I don't say that to marginalize what's happening either. There will always be death in regards to our technology, when applied to human usage. A much bigger, more recent problem on the horizon is social media distractions while operating motorized transportation. Recent fatalities; Quote; 3,526 in 2015 ----- 3,450 in 2016,www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accident/cause-of-accident/cell-phone/cell-phone-statistics.html VS Quote; This tally begins Aug. 1, 1966, when a student sniper fired down on passersby from the observation deck of a clock tower at the University of Texas. By the time police killed him, 17 other people were dead or dying. As Texas Monthly’s Pamela Colloff wrote, the shooting “ushered in the notion that any group of people, anywhere — even walking around a university campus on a summer day — could be killed at random by a stranger.” Since then, updated @ August 4, 2019 there has been a total killed in mass shootings of 1194 www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/ That's an average of 22.5 mass shooting deaths per year since 1966 Thinking of how it's covered by the media, and the posts of "can't keep up", made me think of the actual statistics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 10:56:15 GMT -5
You ask for solutions, and all you do is throw up roadblocks to them. Solutions are obvious. Where else in the developed world are mass shootings a near daily occurrence? The NRA and its supporters consider the lives of innocent people simply "collateral damage" in order to sell more arms and make a profit. The money they pay McConnell and other politicians is peanuts compared to the profits they reap by politicians refusing to do the right thing. The ignorance of the premise, in the bolded, and mostly the underlined, of this post, is astounding. Too many are of the gun control propaganda.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 5, 2019 11:22:22 GMT -5
Compare it to gun injury and death in other countries. There is better and there is much worse. I'm not condoning people shooting each other, it's just a price of technology. And I don't say that to marginalize what's happening either. There will always be death in regards to our technology, when applied to human usage. A much bigger, more recent problem on the horizon is social media distractions while operating motorized transportation. Recent fatalities; Quote; 3,526 in 2015 ----- 3,450 in 2016,www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accident/cause-of-accident/cell-phone/cell-phone-statistics.html VS Quote; This tally begins Aug. 1, 1966, when a student sniper fired down on passersby from the observation deck of a clock tower at the University of Texas. By the time police killed him, 17 other people were dead or dying. As Texas Monthly’s Pamela Colloff wrote, the shooting “ushered in the notion that any group of people, anywhere — even walking around a university campus on a summer day — could be killed at random by a stranger.” Since then, updated @ August 4, 2019 there has been a total killed in mass shootings of 1194 www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/ That's an average of 22.5 mass shooting deaths per year since 1966 Thinking of how it's covered by the media, and the posts of "can't keep up", made me think of the actual statistics. “condoning people shooting each other, it's just a price of technology” And THAT casual attitude towards the needless, unnecessary deaths of innocents demonstrates my point about the NRA and its supporters.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 5, 2019 11:42:23 GMT -5
There is better and there is much worse. I'm not condoning people shooting each other, it's just a price of technology. And I don't say that to marginalize what's happening either. There will always be death in regards to our technology, when applied to human usage. A much bigger, more recent problem on the horizon is social media distractions while operating motorized transportation. Recent fatalities; Quote; 3,526 in 2015 ----- 3,450 in 2016,www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accident/cause-of-accident/cell-phone/cell-phone-statistics.html VS Quote; This tally begins Aug. 1, 1966, when a student sniper fired down on passersby from the observation deck of a clock tower at the University of Texas. By the time police killed him, 17 other people were dead or dying. As Texas Monthly’s Pamela Colloff wrote, the shooting “ushered in the notion that any group of people, anywhere — even walking around a university campus on a summer day — could be killed at random by a stranger.” Since then, updated @ August 4, 2019 there has been a total killed in mass shootings of 1194 www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/ That's an average of 22.5 mass shooting deaths per year since 1966 Thinking of how it's covered by the media, and the posts of "can't keep up", made me think of the actual statistics. “condoning people shooting each other, it's just a price of technology” And THAT casual attitude towards the needless, unnecessary deaths of innocents demonstrates my point about the NRA and its supporters. This is the same guy who posted "Oh well, we all have to go sometime" in response to a previous mass shooting. Casual, flippant and disgusting. Not surprising, however.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 5, 2019 11:59:09 GMT -5
A solution, as in a silver bullet kind of thing? Sadly, no. I think there are a host of things we can do to make them eventually decrease in both scale and frequency, but at this point the horse is so far away from the open barn door that it will take a lot of time and effort- and political will. A few things that will help, on several fronts- 1. Mental health awareness and services. Background checks and screening to buy weapons. Suicide awareness and counseling. Family violence awareness and counseling. Ramping down of hate filled and racist rhetoric. Ramping down of violent media content and glorification. 2. Limits on magazine sizes (say 10 rounds). Waiting period to buy guns. Registration, restriction, and permits required to buy certain classifications of anti-personnel weapons and guns. registration, permits, and restrictions to buy certain ammunition. Buy back programs for anti-personnel weapons. 3. Barring certain violent offenders from possessing specified weapons. Repeal of hidden carry laws. Requiring permits to carry in public places. Red flag laws to confiscate weapons from those who commit or are likely to commit violent crimes. These are all suggestions that comply with the Second Amendment to the US Constitution. OK let's say the law biding person does this, The criminal element is not,
Seriously, do you think that if some one is up to murdering some one ,, they will care not to use an large cap mag??
Criminals also probably drive at very high speeds leaving their crime scenes.
Since criminals do it, should the rest of us ignore the speed zones, too? What's the point in being legal, right?
How about we stop arresting kids for having a few illegal joints in their possession and start arresting people with an assault weapon? Think that might help reduce the availability of assault weapons, is everyone who owns one illegally gets arrested?
Unless you're a Navy Seal, you have no useful purpose for having an assault weapon. "Because I want one" falls into the 'don't be a whiny toddler' category.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 12:11:57 GMT -5
There is better and there is much worse. I'm not condoning people shooting each other, it's just a price of technology. And I don't say that to marginalize what's happening either. There will always be death in regards to our technology, when applied to human usage. A much bigger, more recent problem on the horizon is social media distractions while operating motorized transportation. Recent fatalities; Quote; 3,526 in 2015 ----- 3,450 in 2016,www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accident/cause-of-accident/cell-phone/cell-phone-statistics.html VS Quote; This tally begins Aug. 1, 1966, when a student sniper fired down on passersby from the observation deck of a clock tower at the University of Texas. By the time police killed him, 17 other people were dead or dying. As Texas Monthly’s Pamela Colloff wrote, the shooting “ushered in the notion that any group of people, anywhere — even walking around a university campus on a summer day — could be killed at random by a stranger.” Since then, updated @ August 4, 2019 there has been a total killed in mass shootings of 1194 www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/ That's an average of 22.5 mass shooting deaths per year since 1966 Thinking of how it's covered by the media, and the posts of "can't keep up", made me think of the actual statistics. “condoning people shooting each other, it's just a price of technology”And THAT casual attitude towards the needless, unnecessary deaths of innocents demonstrates my point about the NRA and its supporters. 53 years of mass killing deaths, equals about 4 months of cell phone deaths. Conditioning anyone ? You left out the "I'm not" in front of the "condoning", as I posted. (Bolded) I'm really wading shallow today.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 12:18:11 GMT -5
There is better and there is much worse. I'm not condoning people shooting each other, it's just a price of technology. And I don't say that to marginalize what's happening either. There will always be death in regards to our technology, when applied to human usage. A much bigger, more recent problem on the horizon is social media distractions while operating motorized transportation. Recent fatalities; Quote; 3,526 in 2015 ----- 3,450 in 2016,www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accident/cause-of-accident/cell-phone/cell-phone-statistics.html VS Quote; This tally begins Aug. 1, 1966, when a student sniper fired down on passersby from the observation deck of a clock tower at the University of Texas. By the time police killed him, 17 other people were dead or dying. As Texas Monthly’s Pamela Colloff wrote, the shooting “ushered in the notion that any group of people, anywhere — even walking around a university campus on a summer day — could be killed at random by a stranger.” Since then, updated @ August 4, 2019 there has been a total killed in mass shootings of 1194 www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/ That's an average of 22.5 mass shooting deaths per year since 1966 Thinking of how it's covered by the media, and the posts of "can't keep up", made me think of the actual statistics. ALL developed countries are- MUCH better. Countries that are worse- Iraq, Syria, Yemen. Oh, war torn casualties of old western imperialism. Percentages seem huge on the very small number of 22.5 If they have 12 in a yearly average of 300 million people, they're 100% better.
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Post by swamp on Aug 5, 2019 12:36:13 GMT -5
I just read that there was another mass shooting in a Chicago park today.
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Post by chiver78 on Aug 5, 2019 12:39:41 GMT -5
awesome, now what? and I just read that two more have died from their injuries in El Paso.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 5, 2019 12:41:11 GMT -5
OK let's say the law biding person does this, The criminal element is not,
Seriously, do you think that if some one is up to murdering some one ,, they will care not to use an large cap mag??
You ask for solutions, and all you do is throw up roadblocks to them. You are saying, pass a law the criminal element will follow the law. If they don't follow the law now, why would they follow new laws? That's like El Paso, the man is charged with 20 first degree murders, now they may charge him as a terrorist, REALLY?? Murder is the ultimate crime,, So let's add he parked in a no parking zone,,, After you kill a bunch of people you are going to worry about,, ahhhh geees,, they are going to get me with using a large cap mag!!
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 5, 2019 13:06:03 GMT -5
Compare it to gun injury and death in other countries. There is better and there is much worse. I'm not condoning people shooting each other, it's just a price of technology. And I don't say that to marginalize what's happening either. There will always be death in regards to our technology, when applied to human usage. A much bigger, more recent problem on the horizon is social media distractions while operating motorized transportation. Recent fatalities; Quote; 3,526 in 2015 ----- 3,450 in 2016,www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accident/cause-of-accident/cell-phone/cell-phone-statistics.html VS Quote; This tally begins Aug. 1, 1966, when a student sniper fired down on passersby from the observation deck of a clock tower at the University of Texas. By the time police killed him, 17 other people were dead or dying. As Texas Monthly’s Pamela Colloff wrote, the shooting “ushered in the notion that any group of people, anywhere — even walking around a university campus on a summer day — could be killed at random by a stranger.” Since then, updated @ August 4, 2019 there has been a total killed in mass shootings of 1194 www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/ That's an average of 22.5 mass shooting deaths per year since 1966 Thinking of how it's covered by the media, and the posts of "can't keep up", made me think of the actual statistics. It's interesting how conservatives like to throw out the "it's not statistically likely to happen to you so don't get your panties in a wad" argument.
Apparently, conservatives are only worried about what might happen to them personally, and feel that, if they carry a gun, this can't ever happen to them, so no big deal. Same argument with global warning (if it happens, it won't be for hundreds of years and I'll be dead) and poor standards in education (I can afford to live someplace with nice schools, and I don't care what happens to someone else's kids).
It's a very Trump-esque, "I'm the only one who matters" approach.
Can't say I like it.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Aug 5, 2019 13:24:54 GMT -5
Actually, climate change is not that personally scary for many of us of means. We can simply live where the living is good. Personal harm is more of an economic equation. Will the efforts to combat climate change cost me more than the effects of unchecked climate change in my lifetime? If all of your wealth comes from land at sea level- yes, perhaps so. If your wealth comes from industry in the heartland- nah. You do realize climate change is more than a rise of sea levels, right? The heartland is almost certainly impacted by climate change. There is no part of earth that will not be affected in some way or another. Sorry to hijack, the thread.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 5, 2019 14:23:47 GMT -5
Good read and right on the money. An opinion piece from the NY Daily News. The two Donald Trumps: But on guns and violent rhetoric, both Real Trump and Scripted Trump fail to say the necessary thingsA president who denies the role his own virulent words play in fomenting violence, who acts as though all his talk of “invasions” and “infestations” is immaterial, who not long ago laughed at a man who suggested shooting migrants, started Monday morning by taking to Twitter to blame the media for two weekend mass murders. That’s the Real Donald Trump. Not long after, a tightly Scripted Trump took to a podium at the White House and play-acted leader, calling for the nation to rise above its partisan differences to confront divisive hatred and violence. If the word “chutzpah” didn’t exist, someone would have to coin it now. The president’s cowardice, his irresponsibility, his dishonesty, his opportunism, his ability to divide, his refusal to own up to the consequences of own words and actions, know no bounds. In that White House address, Scripted Trump said some of the right things. He said “In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy.” It’s a low bar, but we’ll take it. Complete article here: The two Donald Trumps: But on guns and violent rhetoric, both Real Trump and Scripted Trump fail to say the necessary things
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 5, 2019 14:27:38 GMT -5
Good read and right on the money. An opinion piece from the NY Daily News. The two Donald Trumps: But on guns and violent rhetoric, both Real Trump and Scripted Trump fail to say the necessary thingsA president who denies the role his own virulent words play in fomenting violence, who acts as though all his talk of “invasions” and “infestations” is immaterial, who not long ago laughed at a man who suggested shooting migrants, started Monday morning by taking to Twitter to blame the media for two weekend mass murders. That’s the Real Donald Trump. Not long after, a tightly Scripted Trump took to a podium at the White House and play-acted leader, calling for the nation to rise above its partisan differences to confront divisive hatred and violence. If the word “chutzpah” didn’t exist, someone would have to coin it now. The president’s cowardice, his irresponsibility, his dishonesty, his opportunism, his ability to divide, his refusal to own up to the consequences of own words and actions, know no bounds. In that White House address, Scripted Trump said some of the right things. He said “In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy.” It’s a low bar, but we’ll take it. Complete article here: The two Donald Trumps: But on guns and violent rhetoric, both Real Trump and Scripted Trump fail to say the necessary thingsScripted Trump says words other people write for him. He doesn't mean them even as he says them.
Tomorrow morning, he'll be back to blaming the browns for making a mass murder shoot a bunch of them. That's the real Donald.
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And now a message from Thomas Jefferson via The Onion. Thomas Jefferson: ‘The Tree Of Liberty Must Be Refreshed From Time To Time With The Blood Of Patriots And Tyrants And Kindergarteners And Newlyweds And High-Schoolers And Parents And Teachers And Worshippers And Workers And Occasionally Infants’On the subject of our still fledgling nation, one point in particular stands out, which I present for want of understanding America’s purpose: The British crown continues to repeat its lies about our being unable to govern ourselves, and yet we have over these past years of self-government seen relative peace. However, that peace must not lull our citizenry into complacency. It is essential that Americans remain ready to respond to any threat that would encroach on our dearly won freedom. That is why the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants and kindergartners and newlyweds and grandpas and high-schoolers and dads and teachers and moms and worshippers and workers and occasionally infants. We vow to never again find ourselves caught in the ruthless grip of the British Empire or a group of lifelong friends reuniting at a country music festival. I hope that this point will be sufficiently clarified in our Constitution, so that our descendants may understand fully the need for an armed and well-regulated group of citizens that can put down any despotic government, ninth-grade class, synagogue congregation, The Dark Knight Rises audience, or group of shoppers at a Walmart that rises up against them. Complete article here: Thomas Jefferson: ‘The Tree Of Liberty Must Be Refreshed From Time To Time With The Blood Of Patriots And Tyrants And Kindergarteners And Newlyweds And High-Schoolers And Parents And Teachers And Worshippers And Workers And Occasionally Infants’
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 5, 2019 15:45:43 GMT -5
You do realize climate change is more than a rise of sea levels, right? The heartland is almost certainly impacted by climate change. There is no part of earth that will not be affected in some way or another. Sorry to hijack, the thread. I do, and you are completely correct. That is why I was careful to choose "industry". Probably less affected than agriculture. Climate Change will actually not be particularly deleterious for everyone, unless it becomes really severe. Depends on what form it takes.
If it's just slightly warmer weather, you would be right in that we can all just pick up and move a little further north to stay in a temperate area.
However, the predictions also usually include more violent weather patterns, and for those of us already living in or near Tornado Alley, that would be an issue, as would larger, stronger hurricanes that would push inland and cause flooding in areas that normally wouldn't see much rain from hurricanes. Then there's the possibility of extended droughts, mixed with extended rainy seasons.
Since we're not doing anything to try to stop it, I guess we're fixin' to find out, as they say in the South. Or at least my grandkids are.
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