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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 31, 2019 23:48:52 GMT -5
Well I’m glad it worked out for him, But you still evade the point of $6000 deductible versus a $100,000 hospital bill. One might bankrupt the average citizen. The other may seem high but may prevent the banco? Are you pro bankruptcy now? Nope.
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Post by dondub on Jul 31, 2019 23:50:53 GMT -5
You have on numerous occasions mentioned the $100 a month and now it’s not. Make up your mind. And I also sometime get a recording part of which mentions calling 911 if it’s required. So what’s your point or have you just completely failed on both your anti ACA talking points which come from the side of the aisle that have never done a damn thing except watch sick people die? If you read the post it say $100 something, I don't know the exact amount. As if that’s the main point of my post.
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Post by dondub on Jul 31, 2019 23:53:26 GMT -5
So what you are really saying is that he's an idiot? Okay, I guess. No what he is saying is the insurance that he pay $100+ a month, is worthless,, but we knew that anyway. We don’t know that at all as your explanation lacks the appropriate depth of information to determine that. So far all it has ever been is a right wing talking chip.
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Post by dondub on Jul 31, 2019 23:56:01 GMT -5
You have on numerous occasions mentioned the $100 a month and now it’s not. Make up your mind. And I also sometime get a recording part of which mentions calling 911 if it’s required. So what’s your point or have you just completely failed on both your anti ACA talking points which come from the side of the aisle that have never done a damn thing except watch sick people die? Will people die Don, now if they are liberal I visit their grave, you pour a 750 liter of good Scotch on their grave,, I do make sure I filter thru me kidneys first! So your point is you’ll pee on liberals graves and not care that no ACA also causes Repo-Cons to die too? OK
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Post by dondub on Aug 1, 2019 0:01:08 GMT -5
I think Ramon should go get some better insurance so you can up your talking point game instead of it all being a bunch of BS.
Your cult leader led you to believe he would have something so much better and he lied and all you can do is whine about poor Ramon.
Bottom line is 20+ million American were able to get health insurance. Because of this thousands haven’t died and thousands haven’t gone banco and you are clearly on the other side of that. What a sweet, sweet man you turned out to be.🕷
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Post by ednkris on Aug 1, 2019 5:49:51 GMT -5
Understood, how can you even compare the 2...I don't see the connection. The one states a hospital has to treat you Wichita will mean the hospital rates will go up. The other forces everyone to buy ins mostly crap ins or fine you. The people who could afford ins loses. that is the state of affairs without the ACA. the burden of cost is ALWAYS passed onto those that own insurance. WE pay for those that are not insured. what the ACA requires is that EVERYONE owns insurance. therefore the burden goes to EVERYONE.
so, you are claiming the ACA is terrible, but not having it, or something like it, is, in fact, worse.
i'd rather go from personal experience since that is where my money is. The year before ACA my ins was 280 per month. The full year after it was over 800 per month with the exact same ins company and same deductibles. What happened to every american would pay 2500 less Every Dr i talked to complained about the new paperwork . As soon as Trump took office my rate dropped ACA is still in place although some of the regulations have dropped. I am now paying 112 per month with a 3k deductible and 100% coverage after the deductible. if the old way ment you were paying higher hosp bills fine by me if the so called 47 million can't afford ins oh well i shouldn't have to pay for them especially not at over 300 percent of my cost
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Post by resolution on Aug 1, 2019 6:30:49 GMT -5
that is the state of affairs without the ACA. the burden of cost is ALWAYS passed onto those that own insurance. WE pay for those that are not insured. what the ACA requires is that EVERYONE owns insurance. therefore the burden goes to EVERYONE.
so, you are claiming the ACA is terrible, but not having it, or something like it, is, in fact, worse.
i'd rather go from personal experience since that is where my money is. The year before ACA my ins was 280 per month. The full year after it was over 800 per month with the exact same ins company and same deductibles. What happened to every american would pay 2500 less Every Dr i talked to complained about the new paperwork . As soon as Trump took office my rate dropped ACA is still in place although some of the regulations have dropped. I am now paying 112 per month with a 3k deductible and 100% coverage after the deductible. if the old way ment you were paying higher hosp bills fine by me if the so called 47 million can't afford ins oh well i shouldn't have to pay for them especially not at over 300 percent of my cost The the growth rate of healthcare costs slowed down after the ACA was passed. www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spending-healthcare-changed-time/#item-health-spending-growth-has-slowed-and-is-now-more-on-pace-with-economic-growth_2017
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 1, 2019 6:48:20 GMT -5
that is the state of affairs without the ACA. the burden of cost is ALWAYS passed onto those that own insurance. WE pay for those that are not insured. what the ACA requires is that EVERYONE owns insurance. therefore the burden goes to EVERYONE.
so, you are claiming the ACA is terrible, but not having it, or something like it, is, in fact, worse.
i'd rather go from personal experience since that is where my money is. The year before ACA my ins was 280 per month. The full year after it was over 800 per month with the exact same ins company and same deductibles. What happened to every american would pay 2500 less Every Dr i talked to complained about the new paperwork . As soon as Trump took office my rate dropped ACA is still in place although some of the regulations have dropped. I am now paying 112 per month with a 3k deductible and 100% coverage after the deductible. if the old way ment you were paying higher hosp bills fine by me if the so called 47 million can't afford ins oh well i shouldn't have to pay for them especially not at over 300 percent of my cost First off, your post makes me laugh. You are saying in 2009, your premiums were $280 per month then rose to $800. And as soon as President Trump was elected they dropped to $112 per month. You know what, I was born yesterday.
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Post by ednkris on Aug 1, 2019 7:49:00 GMT -5
i'd rather go from personal experience since that is where my money is. The year before ACA my ins was 280 per month. The full year after it was over 800 per month with the exact same ins company and same deductibles. What happened to every american would pay 2500 less Every Dr i talked to complained about the new paperwork . As soon as Trump took office my rate dropped ACA is still in place although some of the regulations have dropped. I am now paying 112 per month with a 3k deductible and 100% coverage after the deductible. if the old way ment you were paying higher hosp bills fine by me if the so called 47 million can't afford ins oh well i shouldn't have to pay for them especially not at over 300 percent of my cost First off, your post makes me laugh. You are saying in 2009, your premiums were $280 per month then rose to $800. And as soon as President Trump was elected they dropped to $112 per month. You know what, I was born yesterday. i really don't care if you believe it. your reply shows me just how you will ridicule anything that don't conform to your beliefs. Very narrow minded IMO.
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Post by ednkris on Aug 1, 2019 7:50:25 GMT -5
i'd rather go from personal experience since that is where my money is. The year before ACA my ins was 280 per month. The full year after it was over 800 per month with the exact same ins company and same deductibles. What happened to every american would pay 2500 less Every Dr i talked to complained about the new paperwork . As soon as Trump took office my rate dropped ACA is still in place although some of the regulations have dropped. I am now paying 112 per month with a 3k deductible and 100% coverage after the deductible. if the old way ment you were paying higher hosp bills fine by me if the so called 47 million can't afford ins oh well i shouldn't have to pay for them especially not at over 300 percent of my cost The the growth rate of healthcare costs slowed down after the ACA was passed. www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spending-healthcare-changed-time/#item-health-spending-growth-has-slowed-and-is-now-more-on-pace-with-economic-growth_2017over all but not for all. like i said i can only go by my personal espierience.
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Post by ednkris on Aug 1, 2019 7:54:46 GMT -5
Getting back to student loans. I'm against wiping out the debt, but i will be the first honest hypocrite to admit i will use it to wipe out my wife's student loan debt. (went back to school at age 44 for a second degree). i'm sure my kids will use it also.
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 1, 2019 7:57:51 GMT -5
First off, your post makes me laugh. You are saying in 2009, your premiums were $280 per month then rose to $800. And as soon as President Trump was elected they dropped to $112 per month. You know what, I was born yesterday. i really don't care if you believe it. your reply shows me just how you will ridicule anything that don't conform to your beliefs. Very narrow minded IMO. If your post is true, it proves the ACA is working. It just shows that you will ridicule anything that don't confirm to your beliefs. Very narrow minded IMO.
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Post by ednkris on Aug 1, 2019 8:05:22 GMT -5
i really don't care if you believe it. your reply shows me just how you will ridicule anything that don't conform to your beliefs. Very narrow minded IMO. If your post is true, it proves the ACA is working. It just shows that you will ridicule anything that don't confirm to your beliefs. Very narrow minded IMO.
working huh....higher premiums, doctors retiring early, higher deductibles, people losing their insurance yea working. Oh you must mean that 47 million you keep touting that has insurance now. More like 20 million and i would be alot less than that.
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 1, 2019 8:39:23 GMT -5
If your post is true, it proves the ACA is working. It just shows that you will ridicule anything that don't confirm to your beliefs. Very narrow minded IMO.
working huh....higher premiums, doctors retiring early, higher deductibles, people losing their insurance yea working. Oh you must mean that 47 million you keep touting that has insurance now. More like 20 million and i would be alot less than that. But you yourself said your premiums went down. Lower than before the ACA was signed into law as a matter of fact. Your talking points are ringing pretty hollow.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 1, 2019 9:23:55 GMT -5
that is the state of affairs without the ACA. the burden of cost is ALWAYS passed onto those that own insurance. WE pay for those that are not insured. what the ACA requires is that EVERYONE owns insurance. therefore the burden goes to EVERYONE.
so, you are claiming the ACA is terrible, but not having it, or something like it, is, in fact, worse.
i'd rather go from personal experience since that is where my money is. sorry, I won't argue personal anecdotes with ANYONE. your personal circumstances are not a good measure of the ACA in general. and that is all I want to discuss. sorry.
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Post by ednkris on Aug 1, 2019 9:49:52 GMT -5
working huh....higher premiums, doctors retiring early, higher deductibles, people losing their insurance yea working. Oh you must mean that 47 million you keep touting that has insurance now. More like 20 million and i would be alot less than that. But you yourself said your premiums went down. Lower than before the ACA was signed into law as a matter of fact. Your talking points are ringing pretty hollow. i'm giving they went down due to a republican president. Who started unraveling all the bullcrap that the previous administration did. i know Obama is your hero but not mine
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Post by ednkris on Aug 1, 2019 9:52:37 GMT -5
i'd rather go from personal experience since that is where my money is. sorry, I won't argue personal anecdotes with ANYONE. your personal circumstances are not a good measure of the ACA in general. and that is all I want to discuss. sorry.
True. if what everyone wants is to have everyone have health ins regardless of how much is cost others then it works. Now if we look at those costs and the actual service then it doesn't
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 1, 2019 9:54:48 GMT -5
sorry, I won't argue personal anecdotes with ANYONE. your personal circumstances are not a good measure of the ACA in general. and that is all I want to discuss. sorry.
True. if what everyone wants is to have everyone have health ins regardless of how much is cost others then it works. Now if we look at those costs and the actual service then it doesn't I think the goal is for everyone to have health insurance. edit: even TRUMP agrees, and campaigned on this idea. how that is done is a matter for polite discussion.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 1, 2019 10:17:47 GMT -5
But you yourself said your premiums went down. Lower than before the ACA was signed into law as a matter of fact. Your talking points are ringing pretty hollow. i'm giving they went down due to a republican president. Who started unraveling all the bullcrap that the previous administration did. i know Obama is your hero but not mine You should probably look for another explanation. NOTHING happened "as soon as Trump took office". It is possible that there was later a change in your plan (or that you have a different plan) so that it now covers nowhere near what your earlier policy was required to cover, but costs have continued to go up for anything which is comparable to prior plans.
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Post by tbop77 on Aug 1, 2019 10:28:04 GMT -5
i'm giving they went down due to a republican president. Who started unraveling all the bullcrap that the previous administration did. i know Obama is your hero but not mine You should probably look for another explanation. NOTHING happened "as soon as Trump took office". It is possible that there was later a change in your plan (or that you have a different plan) so that it now covers nowhere near what your earlier policy was required to cover, but costs have continued to go up for anything which is comparable to prior plans. Don't even try. His premiums magically went down after President Trump was elected. It wouldn't matter if President Obama gave him free health insurance and paid him too, he would berate him.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 1, 2019 10:30:55 GMT -5
If you read the post it say $100 something, I don't know the exact amount. As if that’s the main point of my post. He mentioned what it was, I don't recall the exact amount, Why is me knowing the exact amount important??
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Post by dondub on Aug 1, 2019 10:32:47 GMT -5
Only if the $100 you touted repeatedly is incorrect. Sort of blows a hole in your narrative.
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Post by dondub on Aug 1, 2019 10:37:30 GMT -5
If your post is true, it proves the ACA is working. It just shows that you will ridicule anything that don't confirm to your beliefs. Very narrow minded IMO.
working huh....higher premiums, doctors retiring early, higher deductibles, people losing their insurance yea working. Oh you must mean that 47 million you keep touting that has insurance now. More like 20 million and i would be alot less than that. Yes, 20 million of the 47 million were able to get insurance even though that riled up so many that already had it. Cute. So we still have a long way to go part of which would have been expanded Medicaid in those 31 Repo-Con governor states that blocked it. I mean why should a white governor allow poor Black citizens to get health insurance? Sheesh!
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 1, 2019 10:42:03 GMT -5
Will people die Don, now if they are liberal I visit their grave, you pour a 750 liter of good Scotch on their grave,, I do make sure I filter thru me kidneys first! So your point is you’ll pee on liberals graves and not care that no ACA also causes Repo-Cons to die too? OK We Repo - Cons have insurance. You know conservative values, take care of ourselves and our families,, Actually have jobs, save money, and don't live in a cardboard box next to the traffic light with the sign Please help homeless hungry God bless!! While always smoking a cigarette, drinking from the Super giant huge Circle K cup,, standing in front of the huge now hiring sign!
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Post by tallguy on Aug 1, 2019 10:43:58 GMT -5
You should probably look for another explanation. NOTHING happened "as soon as Trump took office". It is possible that there was later a change in your plan (or that you have a different plan) so that it now covers nowhere near what your earlier policy was required to cover, but costs have continued to go up for anything which is comparable to prior plans. Don't even try. His premiums magically went down after President Trump was elected. It wouldn't matter if President Obama gave him free health insurance and paid him too, he would berate him. Yes, I have read him before. Some names just stick out. The thing is, I generally (or maybe always) write for more than just the immediate person. It is so all the other people who are not locked in their ways have accurate information on which to base judgments. So....
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Post by dondub on Aug 1, 2019 10:44:58 GMT -5
And ednkris, if you wouldn’t mind, please share with us exactly what the Repo-Con POTUS did that specifically lowered your premiums. TYIA
Also...when will Trump finally bring out the better, cheaper, greatest, best health plan in the history of the world?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 1, 2019 10:46:06 GMT -5
working huh....higher premiums, doctors retiring early, higher deductibles, people losing their insurance yea working. Oh you must mean that 47 million you keep touting that has insurance now. More like 20 million and i would be alot less than that. Yes, 20 million of the 47 million were able to get insurance even though that riled up so many that already had it. Cute. So we still have a long way to go part of which would have been expanded Medicaid in those 31 Repo-Con governor states that blocked it. I mean why should a white governor allow poor Black citizens to get health insurance? Sheesh! I knew this would take a racist turn before long,, Yep, the now new DNC slogan now the Russia thing is dead,,
Racist, racist, racist,,,
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Post by dondub on Aug 1, 2019 10:49:01 GMT -5
So your point is you’ll pee on liberals graves and not care that no ACA also causes Repo-Cons to die too? OK We Repo - Cons have insurance. You know conservative values, take care of ourselves and our families,, Actually have jobs, save money, and don't live in a cardboard box next to the traffic light with the sign Please help homeless hungry God bless!! While always smoking a cigarette, drinking from the Super giant huge Circle K cup,, standing in front of the huge now hiring sign!
l As do a majority of Americans that work. And I posit that a majority of those are not registered Repo-Cons. Just sayin’. Now down in those red states, where folks receive more tax dollars for government assistance programs that the blue states instead of Circle K were they at the Piggly Wiggly?
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Post by dondub on Aug 1, 2019 10:50:23 GMT -5
Yes, 20 million of the 47 million were able to get insurance even though that riled up so many that already had it. Cute. So we still have a long way to go part of which would have been expanded Medicaid in those 31 Repo-Con governor states that blocked it. I mean why should a white governor allow poor Black citizens to get health insurance? Sheesh! I knew this would take a racist turn before long,, Yep, the now new DNC slogan now the Russia thing is dead,,
Racist, racist, racist,,, Yes they were weren’t they. Thanks for your astute verification .
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Post by tallguy on Aug 1, 2019 10:52:37 GMT -5
So your point is you’ll pee on liberals graves and not care that no ACA also causes Repo-Cons to die too? OK We Repo - Cons have insurance. You know conservative values, take care of ourselves and our families,, Actually have jobs, save money, and don't live in a cardboard box next to the traffic light with the sign Please help homeless hungry God bless!! While always smoking a cigarette, drinking from the Super giant huge Circle K cup,, standing in front of the huge now hiring sign!
And yet the states with the highest rates of poverty and the highest usage of federal aid are all or nearly all red states. Hmmmm....
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