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Post by sheilaincali on Apr 6, 2011 11:54:43 GMT -5
Bob- DS was watching DH play GTA back in the day (one of the old versions). He goes to preschool and the teacher said "what did you do this weekend?" DS proudly says "we beat up hookers and got chased by some cops!" DH got a lecture for that one
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Post by flopsy on Apr 6, 2011 14:15:52 GMT -5
i don't think there's anything wrong with home schooling kids. the ones i've met were normal. if i had kids and no access to a school that really pushed the kids i would home school.
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Post by flopsy on Apr 6, 2011 14:20:56 GMT -5
on topic, i don't think politicians should determine what food people can and can't have access to.
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Post by marathongal on Apr 6, 2011 14:21:30 GMT -5
My sister home schooled 3 of her children and it was a disaster-she was in no way capable and though all "graduated" it was a joke-they have no chance of getting into college and lack the social skills to work their way up in a job. Their older sibling who went to school (prior to family becoming extremely religious) graduated with honors and has a business degree. If you don't understand the concepts of high school math-for instance-how can you teach it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 14:51:16 GMT -5
So, Arch you think the government has the right to force your kids into a school house like prisioners and brain wash them? No. They can be homeschooled and brainwashed by their redneck parent, or sent to Catholic school to be brainwashed. In all seriousness. I think it is a good thing that the government makes parents educate their kids.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 15:59:04 GMT -5
Miss M I am like you. My kids whine because I rarely buy fast food and actually cook for them. The tell me all the time "so and so's mom buys THEM McDonald's almost every night." Uhm...yeah and so and so and his mother are obese!
In the summer we have passes to the city pool, they play sports, and we go on bike rides. We are a very active family.
Having said that, I do think it is wrong for the government to ban Happy Meals. I think they need to butt out.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Apr 6, 2011 17:57:44 GMT -5
Banning Happy Meals won't do anything to fix the real problem of parents feeding their kids garbage all the time. When I was a kid fast food and take out was a treat. I used to love Taco Bell when I was a little kid. My dad absolutely hates it. Now and then if it was just the two of us out he'd take me there. It was a huge treat for me. Last time I was home we went out to a local pizza place one night. I made a joke about how we were missing salad or cut up veggies and fruit. Growing up if we got pizza we always one or the other and you had to eat some of it with the pizza. DC has a bag tax. I'm assuming city council enacted it. The tax is $0.05/bag, the store gets to keep $0.01 and the rest goes to the city. Joke's on them, they thought they could get somewhere close to $4 million. They didn't come anywhere close to that.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 6, 2011 18:33:10 GMT -5
I think my kids might get fast food once every 4 months or so. I despise fast food so it is not a common part of our lives...however, who the F is the government to tell me what I should feed my kids???
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 6, 2011 18:34:45 GMT -5
Are we the same person? My 2nd grader gets to eat Mcd's maybe a few times a year and he is always asking for it or one of it's cousins. I really do try. When we go to Wendy's my kids always ask for the oranges even. ;D I cook almost every night. I try to set a good example and always have fresh fruit and veggies on hand but it is amazing the hold on kids that they have from all the marketing. That said I wouldn't want them banned. Maybe fighting with my kids about it is actually good for our relationship.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 6, 2011 18:37:21 GMT -5
The government is covering such a big portion of the health care bills for the country, especially for kids, that it makes sense they'd try to keep parents from making them fat. If you don't want Uncle Sam telling you to stop putting coca-cola in your toddlers bottles, or feeding your elementary school aged kids McDonalds five days a week, don't ask him to cover the doctor bills when they weigh 200 lbs at the age of 12, already have diabetes, and can't walk more than 20 feet without getting out of breath.
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 6, 2011 18:39:58 GMT -5
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 6, 2011 18:41:18 GMT -5
The government is covering such a big portion of the health care bills for the country, especially for kids, that it makes sense they'd try to keep parents from making them fat. If you don't want Uncle Sam telling you to stop putting coca-cola in your toddlers bottles, or feeding your elementary school aged kids McDonalds five days a week, don't ask him to cover the doctor bills when they weigh 200 lbs at the age of 12, already have diabetes, and can't walk more than 20 feet without getting out of breath. Following this logic, poor people who have Medicaid should have their diets restricted to only healthy foods....yet they can buy whatever the fuck they want with their foodstamps....
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 6, 2011 18:44:20 GMT -5
The government is covering such a big portion of the health care bills for the country, especially for kids, that it makes sense they'd try to keep parents from making them fat. If you don't want Uncle Sam telling you to stop putting coca-cola in your toddlers bottles, or feeding your elementary school aged kids McDonalds five days a week, don't ask him to cover the doctor bills when they weigh 200 lbs at the age of 12, already have diabetes, and can't walk more than 20 feet without getting out of breath. Following this logic, poor people who have Medicaid should have their diets restricted to only healthy foods....yet they can buy whatever the fuck they want with their foodstamps.... What percent of people on Food Stamps are in what the govenment describes as a "food desert"? Most inner cities you can buy a machine gun a lot easier than a vegatable. Just an an example there are no grocery stores in the city of Atlantic City,NJ. And a fair chunk of the residents don't have cars.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 6, 2011 18:46:08 GMT -5
Following this logic, poor people who have Medicaid should have their diets restricted to only healthy foods....yet they can buy whatever the fuck they want with their foodstamps.... And I'm also totally in favor of making food stamps more like WIC, which does only allow certain foods to be purchased. If you want my tax money to pay for your healthcare I see no problem with government keeping you from making certain really stupid health choices. Same thing with asking for my tax money to cover your housing, food, or anything else. If you're paying for it yourself, do whatever the frak you want. If I'm paying for your choices though, I see no issue with limiting those choices somewhat.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 6, 2011 18:49:26 GMT -5
Following this logic, poor people who have Medicaid should have their diets restricted to only healthy foods....yet they can buy whatever the fuck they want with their foodstamps.... And I'm also totally in favor of making food stamps more like WIC, which does only allow certain foods to be purchased. If you want my tax money to pay for your healthcare I see no problem with government keeping you from making certain really stupid health choices. Same thing with asking for my tax money to cover your housing, food, or anything else. If you're paying for it yourself, do whatever the frak you want. If I'm paying for your choices though, I see no issue with limiting those choices somewhat. I'm in total agreement. I don't agree with letting children starve (able-bodied adults could starve in the street for all I care..that's right, I'm a Republican )....but there should be restrictions on what could be bought my taxpayers dollars.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 6, 2011 18:53:46 GMT -5
YOu're starting to sound like Sara Palin and you are starting to look like John McCain
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 6, 2011 18:54:35 GMT -5
The problem with the fast food thing is that McDonalds has no way of knowing which of the chubby kids getting happy meals at the drive through are on Medicaid and which ones are on their parent's insurance. There's no realistic way to keep just poor people from feeding their kids too much junk food while allowing more affluent people to do so, so the easier solution is to ban it completely.
ETA - or tax the crap out of it. Whatever.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Apr 6, 2011 18:57:13 GMT -5
But Tina that would be discriminatory
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 6, 2011 18:57:36 GMT -5
The problem with the fast food thing is that McDonalds has no way of knowing which of the chubby kids getting happy meals at the drive through are on Medicaid and which ones are on their parent's insurance. There's no realistic way to keep just poor people from feeding their kids too much junk food while allowing more affluent people to do so, so the easier solution is to ban it completely. Should we just ban all junk food? I'm sure some of the baby daddies spring for Doritos and Pepsi...how can the cashier at Price Chopper know which of the fatties are covered by Medicaid and which aren't?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 6, 2011 19:01:44 GMT -5
Should we just ban all junk food? I don't know about banning it outright, but I think we'll probably see sin taxes on it like we have on alcohol and tobacco now. The argument is the same. The stuff is bad for you, it leads to long term health problems that society as a whole has to pay for, therefor we should tax it up front so the people using the "bad" stuff cover their own costs. As a former smoker who was paying $50 for a carton of smokes, $30+ dollars of which was pure taxes, I don't have much sympathy for people whining now that they're going after your vices.
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 6, 2011 19:02:03 GMT -5
I think we should just kill all of the people that are fat, too lazy, have too many kids,,,,,,,,,,,, YEAH. Let's close down McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, and,,,,,,,,,,,,Sonics,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,(we can leave White Castle) then all we have to do is figure out how to pay all the UE benefits without the benefit of their taxes.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 6, 2011 19:04:04 GMT -5
Most workers at fast food places don't pay taxes. They write exempt on the W2 and still get a refund from EITC or child tax credits.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 6, 2011 19:04:45 GMT -5
I don't know about banning it outright, but I think we'll probably see sin taxes on it like we have on alcohol and tobacco now. The argument is the same. The stuff is bad for you, it leads to long term health problems that society as a whole has to pay for, therefor we should tax it up front so the people using the "bad" stuff cover their own costs. As a former smoker who was paying $50 for a carton of smokes, $30+ dollars of which was pure taxes, I don't have much sympathy for people whining now that they're going after your vices. Clearly you missed where I said my children eat fast food maybe 4 times a year...I think that food is crap so they rarely get it...however, who is the government to tell me that I can't feed it to them? If the taxpayers aren't footing the foodbill, Uncle Sam should keep his face out of my business. And the impact from eating an ocassional hamburge isn't quite the same as smoking a cigarette....
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 6, 2011 19:07:11 GMT -5
Let's take it to the street. The country was much better off before the end of slavery. The women didn't vote or drive. There was peace in the country except for the goofy indians but they went to live on the reservation anyway And you wonder why you can't get laid...
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 6, 2011 19:08:23 GMT -5
And the impact from eating an ocassional hamburge isn't quite the same as smoking a cigarette.... Sure it is. The impact of eating the occasional burger is exactly the same as smoking an occasional cigarette, namely nothing. It's only a problem if you're eating several burgers a day, or smoking several cigarettes a day. Just like drinking. A beer now and then never hurt anybody. A six pack a day will fuck up your liver though.
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 6, 2011 19:08:11 GMT -5
Most workers at fast food places don't pay taxes. They write exempt on the W2 and still get a refund from EITC or child tax credits. Where the heck are you getting that from?? Most workers I know are college studetns or adults making a few extra bucks. They certianly don't mark exempt and I double ever got an EITC. Or are we just making crap up now?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Apr 6, 2011 19:09:49 GMT -5
And the impact from eating an ocassional hamburge isn't quite the same as smoking a cigarette.... Sure it is. The impact of eating the occasional burger is exactly the same as smoking an occasional cigarette, namely nothing. It's only a problem if you're eating several burgers a day, or smoking several cigarettes a day. Just like drinking. A beer now and then never hurt anybody. A six pack a day will fuck up your liver though. Pheww....I only drink wine and tequila so my liver is good
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 6, 2011 19:12:04 GMT -5
Smoking a cigarette isn't the problem. It is the trying to quit after getting addicted.
Nicotine is actually more addictive than heroin.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 6, 2011 19:16:10 GMT -5
Nicotine is actually more addictive than heroin. Sure, but targeting fast food on that basis makes sense too. Numerous studies have found fast food to be addicting. I'm sure it's less addicting than, say, crack or nicotine, but it's addicting and bad for you nonetheless. Why, we'd be downright horrible people if we didn't keep people who don't know better from indulging in this horrible vice.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Apr 6, 2011 19:29:18 GMT -5
Today at 7:04pm, Dark Honor wrote: Most workers at fast food places don't pay taxes. They write exempt on the W2 and still get a refund from EITC or child tax credits.
Where the heck are you getting that from?? Oops, missed this earlier. When I was working fast food places, which granted has been a while ago now, most of my coworkers were fellow teenagers. Almost none of us got enough hours to be full time. When you would go through the training info and fill out your tax paperwork the manager would specifically say that unless you had another job or something just write exempt on the W2, because we weren't going to make enough to owe taxes. The few shift managers were slightly older, early to mid twenties pretty much, and for the most part already had kids, so these days would qualify for child tax credits, unless their baby daddy was still around and making bank. Maybe times have changed, but I still see a lot of teenage faces working low end retail and fast food places. I know they still make close to minimum wage. I doubt that managers have started giving them all 40 hours a week and benefits, so I have to assume their tax liability is essentially still bupkis. Especially now that we have the EITC.
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