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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 10, 2019 14:28:55 GMT -5
The only reason the US is not on the metric system is because of resistance to change that involves change by the US (the rest of the world is supposed to follow not lead) not because it is too hard to do so.
Heck if the Swedes, with proper preperation, were able to change overnight from driving on the left side of the road to driving on the right side (9/3/67) there is no reason why the US can't go metric without the sky falling down. Or are we claiming to be not just second rate but somewhere in the 190-something rate range?
realscandinavia.com/this-day-in-history-swedish-traffic-switches-sides-september-3-1967/
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 10, 2019 15:01:50 GMT -5
17 3/16" You divide 34" by two = 17" Half of 3/8 is 3/16 You take the bottom number of the fraction and double, it to cut the fraction in half. you're right. that is not the best example.
a better example is trying to find the acceleration of a given object given an applied force in English -vs- Metric systems. or, even worse, an impulse and momentum problem. or how about a mass moment of inertia problem for a rotating object?
the English system is completely fucked up in terms of MASS (there really IS NO mass unit), and mass is crucial to physics.
temperature is also really lame. the only way I can remember the THREE common systems is to remember the temp that CO2 freezes/sublimates at. it is completely absurd.
but sure, if team USA wants to keep crashing satellites into planets due to conversion errors, you just go right ahead.
I am willing to bet if you kick over a rock or two you'll find an "anti-mass" group. I have read about people who "do not believe" in gravity. So if we put those people in charge satellites won't crash right? I'm almost not joking because that seems to be the direction we're headed scientifically as a country.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jun 10, 2019 15:47:21 GMT -5
you're right. that is not the best example.
a better example is trying to find the acceleration of a given object given an applied force in English -vs- Metric systems. or, even worse, an impulse and momentum problem. or how about a mass moment of inertia problem for a rotating object?
the English system is completely fucked up in terms of MASS (there really IS NO mass unit), and mass is crucial to physics.
temperature is also really lame. the only way I can remember the THREE common systems is to remember the temp that CO2 freezes/sublimates at. it is completely absurd.
but sure, if team USA wants to keep crashing satellites into planets due to conversion errors, you just go right ahead.
I am willing to bet if you kick over a rock or two you'll find an "anti-mass" group. I have read about people who "do not believe" in gravity. So if we put those people in charge satellites won't crash right? I'm almost not joking because that seems to be the direction we're headed scientifically as a country. My stepson stopped arguing with the flat-earthers in high school. He finally realized how futile it was. These were his peers arguing the earth was flat. What are these kid's parents teaching them?
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Post by teen persuasion on Jun 11, 2019 10:00:44 GMT -5
I am willing to bet if you kick over a rock or two you'll find an "anti-mass" group. I have read about people who "do not believe" in gravity. So if we put those people in charge satellites won't crash right? I'm almost not joking because that seems to be the direction we're headed scientifically as a country. My stepson stopped arguing with the flat-earthers in high school. He finally realized how futile it was. These were his peers arguing the earth was flat. What are these kid's parents teaching them? DH has a few flat-earther students in his classes; he's also stopped trying to convince them, it's too disruptive (and any discussion might convince/prompt other kids to join them). It's really disturbing the stuff that students no longer understand. Kids can't read non-digital clocks, can't read cursive handwriting, can't interpret Roman numerals (as in page numbers in a book). DH is also having trouble teaching them the difference between fiction and non-fiction. To the kids, if it's published in a book, it must be real.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Jun 11, 2019 10:06:16 GMT -5
My stepson stopped arguing with the flat-earthers in high school. He finally realized how futile it was. These were his peers arguing the earth was flat. What are these kid's parents teaching them? DH has a few flat-earther students in his classes; he's also stopped trying to convince them, it's too disruptive (and any discussion might convince/prompt other kids to join them). It's really disturbing the stuff that students no longer understand. Kids can't read non-digital clocks, can't read cursive handwriting, can't interpret Roman numerals (as in page numbers in a book). DH is also having trouble teaching them the difference between fiction and non-fiction. To the kids, if it's published in a book, it must be real. Book, TV, Internet, social media...makes no difference what the media is, there is just a lack of critical thinking.
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17 3/16" You divide 34" by two = 17" Half of 3/8 is 3/16 You take the bottom number of the fraction and double, it to cut the fraction in half. you're right. that is not the best example.
a better example is trying to find the acceleration of a given object given an applied force in English -vs- Metric systems. or, even worse, an impulse and momentum problem. or how about a mass moment of inertia problem for a rotating object?
the English system is completely fucked up in terms of MASS (there really IS NO mass unit), and mass is crucial to physics.
temperature is also really lame. the only way I can remember the THREE common systems is to remember the temp that CO2 freezes/sublimates at. it is completely absurd.
but sure, if team USA wants to keep crashing satellites into planets due to conversion errors, you just go right ahead.
Maybe not the best example, but it was the one provided by the poster. I thought the answer was humorously simple to the complaint. Your issue on it's value, might be best taken up with that person. Is your premise being that I personally don't use the metric system ? Or did you mean the general 'you' ? Thanks for letting me know mass is critical to physics. Depending on what you're doing of course. We are the only country to have humans walk on the moon, all the way back in 1969, those conversion errors ?
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 11, 2019 12:48:00 GMT -5
My stepson stopped arguing with the flat-earthers in high school. He finally realized how futile it was. These were his peers arguing the earth was flat. What are these kid's parents teaching them? DH has a few flat-earther students in his classes; he's also stopped trying to convince them, it's too disruptive (and any discussion might convince/prompt other kids to join them). It's really disturbing the stuff that students no longer understand. Kids can't read non-digital clocks, can't read cursive handwriting, can't interpret Roman numerals (as in page numbers in a book). DH is also having trouble teaching them the difference between fiction and non-fiction. To the kids, if it's published in a book, it must be real. They think Harry Potter is a real boy?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 11, 2019 13:03:11 GMT -5
DH has a few flat-earther students in his classes; he's also stopped trying to convince them, it's too disruptive (and any discussion might convince/prompt other kids to join them). It's really disturbing the stuff that students no longer understand. Kids can't read non-digital clocks, can't read cursive handwriting, can't interpret Roman numerals (as in page numbers in a book). DH is also having trouble teaching them the difference between fiction and non-fiction. To the kids, if it's published in a book, it must be real. They think Harry Potter is a real No he's Satan.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 11, 2019 13:33:24 GMT -5
you're right. that is not the best example.
a better example is trying to find the acceleration of a given object given an applied force in English -vs- Metric systems. or, even worse, an impulse and momentum problem. or how about a mass moment of inertia problem for a rotating object?
the English system is completely fucked up in terms of MASS (there really IS NO mass unit), and mass is crucial to physics.
temperature is also really lame. the only way I can remember the THREE common systems is to remember the temp that CO2 freezes/sublimates at. it is completely absurd.
but sure, if team USA wants to keep crashing satellites into planets due to conversion errors, you just go right ahead.
Maybe not the best example, but it was the one provided by the poster. I thought the answer was humorously simple to the complaint. Your issue on it's value, might be best taken up with that person. Is your premise being that I personally don't use the metric system ? Or did you mean the general 'you' ? Thanks for letting me know mass is critical to physics. Depending on what you're doing of course. We are the only country to have humans walk on the moon, all the way back in 1969, those conversion errors ?These kind of conversion errors..... NASA lost a $125 million Mars orbiter because a Lockheed Martin engineering team used English units of measurement while the agency's team used the more conventional metric system for a key spacecraft operation, according to a review finding released Thursday. The units mismatch prevented navigation information from transferring between the Mars Climate Orbiter spacecraft team in at Lockheed Martin in Denver and the flight team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. Lockheed Martin helped build, develop and operate the spacecraft for NASA. Its engineers provided navigation commands for Climate Orbiter's thrusters in English units although NASA has been using the metric system predominantly since at least 1990. www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9909/30/mars.metric.02/
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 12, 2019 17:51:29 GMT -5
you're right. that is not the best example.
a better example is trying to find the acceleration of a given object given an applied force in English -vs- Metric systems. or, even worse, an impulse and momentum problem. or how about a mass moment of inertia problem for a rotating object?
the English system is completely fucked up in terms of MASS (there really IS NO mass unit), and mass is crucial to physics.
temperature is also really lame. the only way I can remember the THREE common systems is to remember the temp that CO2 freezes/sublimates at. it is completely absurd.
but sure, if team USA wants to keep crashing satellites into planets due to conversion errors, you just go right ahead.
Maybe not the best example, but it was the one provided by the poster. I thought the answer was humorously simple to the complaint. Your issue on it's value, might be best taken up with that person. Is your premise being that I personally don't use the metric system ? Or did you mean the general 'you' ? i was actually thinking of "the US" when i said that. i would have said y'all, but sometimes i forget how useful that is.
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Maybe not the best example, but it was the one provided by the poster. I thought the answer was humorously simple to the complaint. Your issue on it's value, might be best taken up with that person. Is your premise being that I personally don't use the metric system ? Or did you mean the general 'you' ? i was actually thinking of "the US" when i said that. i would have said y'all, but sometimes i forget how useful that is. You seemed to skip over the part about the U.S. As the only country to have astronauts walk on the moon. All the way back In 1969. Without metrics. In my reference to your statement on conversion errors/satellites. Y'all missed that, when you took it out of my post when you quoted it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 16, 2019 12:48:48 GMT -5
i was actually thinking of "the US" when i said that. i would have said y'all, but sometimes i forget how useful that is. You seemed to skip over the part about the U.S. As the only country to have astronauts walk on the moon. Weltz replied to your red herring in post #38 before I got around to it.
you can open a bottle with your teeth. you can fix a car without a socket wrench. you can build a house without using nails. you can travel across the country on a horse.
that doesn't make any of those things sensible, efficient, or practical.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 11:58:10 GMT -5
You seemed to skip over the part about the U.S. As the only country to have astronauts walk on the moon. Weltz replied to your red herring in post #38 before I got around to it.
you can open a bottle with your teeth. you can fix a car without a socket wrench. you can build a house without using nails. you can travel across the country on a horse.
that doesn't make any of those things sensible, efficient, or practical.
Like you stating satellite crashes due to conversion errors ? Yet landing men on the moon in 1969 without metrics ? Making a point of efficiency when the topic was metrics ? As an aside, I have trolls totally coded out. For your convenience I'll add on the less effective blocks available from the forum to prevent quotes that I can't see, even when others quote them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 17, 2019 15:03:27 GMT -5
As an aside, I have trolls totally coded out. good for you. but I hope you don't consider me a troll. reason being that I actually like your posts, and enjoy our discussions, when we have them. I am not enjoying this one, however. you seem to think the archaic English system is "just fine" on the basis of a 50 year old achievement. but that argument makes no sense. the point is not whether it CAN BE DONE without the metric system. anything can be done without the metric system that can be done with it. it is what is easier and more efficient. so, maybe I should have said that you can continue wasting resources on your archaic system (as well as crashing satellites). strike that. you, Mynamar and some West African country whose name I have forgotten. I should also point out that our stupid system requires that we double dimension everything that we export that requires prints. it is yet another reason that US manufacturing is in steady decline. but you know what? I actually don't care that much. I only have to put up with this nonsense for another 16 months. then you guys can lay back and "enjoy" your stupid system, without it impacting and irritating me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 10:52:44 GMT -5
As an aside, I have trolls totally coded out. good for you. but I hope you don't consider me a troll.reason being that I actually like your posts, and enjoy our discussions, when we have them. I am not enjoying this one, however. you seem to think the archaic English system is "just fine" on the basis of a 50 year old achievement. but that argument makes no sense. the point is not whether it CAN BE DONE without the metric system. anything can be done without the metric system that can be done with it. it is what is easier and more efficient. so, maybe I should have said that you can continue wasting resources on your archaic system (as well as crashing satellites). strike that. you, Mynamar and some West African country whose name I have forgotten. I should also point out that our stupid system requires that we double dimension everything that we export that requires prints. it is yet another reason that US manufacturing is in steady decline. but you know what? I actually don't care that much. I only have to put up with this nonsense for another 16 months. then you guys can lay back and "enjoy" your stupid system, without it impacting and irritating me. Not at all. (bolded) I don't think it's just fine, there was just no conversion back then to muddle the works. I know all about double prints for manufacture. I never enjoyed it, it was just work. Are you retiring ? I'm already there, so I hope you understand this was just for discussion for me. I never thought the system was stupid per say, it just was what it was and I was used to it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2019 13:15:44 GMT -5
good for you. but I hope you don't consider me a troll.reason being that I actually like your posts, and enjoy our discussions, when we have them. I am not enjoying this one, however. you seem to think the archaic English system is "just fine" on the basis of a 50 year old achievement. but that argument makes no sense. the point is not whether it CAN BE DONE without the metric system. anything can be done without the metric system that can be done with it. it is what is easier and more efficient. so, maybe I should have said that you can continue wasting resources on your archaic system (as well as crashing satellites). strike that. you, Mynamar and some West African country whose name I have forgotten. I should also point out that our stupid system requires that we double dimension everything that we export that requires prints. it is yet another reason that US manufacturing is in steady decline. but you know what? I actually don't care that much. I only have to put up with this nonsense for another 16 months. then you guys can lay back and "enjoy" your stupid system, without it impacting and irritating me. Not at all. (bolded) I don't think it's just fine, there was just no conversion back then to muddle the works. I know all about double prints for manufacture. I never enjoyed it, it was just work. Are you retiring ?I'm already there, so I hope you understand this was just for discussion for me. I never thought the system was stupid per say, it just was what it was and I was used to it. not exactly. I am moving to the EU.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 18, 2019 17:26:48 GMT -5
Not at all. (bolded) I don't think it's just fine, there was just no conversion back then to muddle the works. I know all about double prints for manufacture. I never enjoyed it, it was just work. Are you retiring ?I'm already there, so I hope you understand this was just for discussion for me. I never thought the system was stupid per say, it just was what it was and I was used to it. not exactly. I am moving to the EU. Do you know how to find a good tax lawyer to help with this? It is something that I am contemplating since that is where my family lives, but I need to know what the tax consequences would be in my specific situation
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2019 21:21:26 GMT -5
not exactly. I am moving to the EU. Do you know how to find a good tax lawyer to help with this? It is something that I am contemplating since that is where my family lives, but I need to know what the tax consequences would be in my specific situation generally speaking, it is tax adverse.
so, you will want to find a place that has lower COL.
that is the whole key. this is how I view the trade:
1) better climate 2) more compatible culture (for me) 3) lower COL 4) higher taxes 5) better services (healthcare, primarily)
if you can't nail almost all of this list, it is probably not worth #4.
edit: ask a businessperson you trust, locally. someone who is business saavy will be able to handle this for you.
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Not at all. (bolded) I don't think it's just fine, there was just no conversion back then to muddle the works. I know all about double prints for manufacture. I never enjoyed it, it was just work. Are you retiring ?I'm already there, so I hope you understand this was just for discussion for me. I never thought the system was stupid per say, it just was what it was and I was used to it. not exactly. I am moving to the EU. Cool ! Although I've spent time there, never was more than business dealings. I'm quite out of date also, it's been about 25 years.
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Do you know how to find a good tax lawyer to help with this? It is something that I am contemplating since that is where my family lives, but I need to know what the tax consequences would be in my specific situation generally speaking, it is tax adverse.
so, you will want to find a place that has lower COL.
that is the whole key. this is how I view the trade:
1) better climate 2) more compatible culture (for me) 3) lower COL 4) higher taxes 5) better services (healthcare, primarily)
if you can't nail almost all of this list, it is probably not worth #4.
edit: ask a businessperson you trust, locally. someone who is business saavy will be able to handle this for you.
Thank you for your response. Unfortunately my situation as a permanent resident is somewhat different with regards to the tax situation. Also, while I can move to any of the Schengen countries at will (no visa requirements) #3 is somewhat hampered by my desire to live closer to my family. My closest family member(s) currently live(s) ~6000 miles away. I'll end up ahead by a little but only because I currently live in one of the most expensive areas of the US.
But... I never thought about asking a local business person for the name of an international tax lawyer. So again, thank you for that idea
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 19, 2019 13:20:09 GMT -5
generally speaking, it is tax adverse.
so, you will want to find a place that has lower COL.
that is the whole key. this is how I view the trade:
1) better climate 2) more compatible culture (for me) 3) lower COL 4) higher taxes 5) better services (healthcare, primarily)
if you can't nail almost all of this list, it is probably not worth #4.
edit: ask a businessperson you trust, locally. someone who is business saavy will be able to handle this for you.
Thank you for your response. Unfortunately my situation as a permanent resident is somewhat different with regards to the tax situation. Also, while I can move to any of the Schengen countries at will (no visa requirements) #3 is somewhat hampered by my desire to live closer to my family. My closest family member(s) currently live(s) ~6000 miles away. I'll end up ahead by a little but only because I currently live in one of the most expensive areas of the US.
But... I never thought about asking a local business person for the name of an international tax lawyer. So again, thank you for that idea
your situation is actually somewhat BETTER than mine in basic terms.
I am going to have to fork over some significant cash to get the PR status that you already enjoy.
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Thank you for your response. Unfortunately my situation as a permanent resident is somewhat different with regards to the tax situation. Also, while I can move to any of the Schengen countries at will (no visa requirements) #3 is somewhat hampered by my desire to live closer to my family. My closest family member(s) currently live(s) ~6000 miles away. I'll end up ahead by a little but only because I currently live in one of the most expensive areas of the US.
But... I never thought about asking a local business person for the name of an international tax lawyer. So again, thank you for that idea
your situation is actually somewhat BETTER than mine in basic terms.
I am going to have to fork over some significant cash to get the PR status that you already enjoy.
True on the status, but I read somewhere (and can't find it anymore) that I would not be allowed to keep any investment accounts in the US if I am no longer a resident. If that is true that could pose a problem since I do have a largish chunk of my investments in a 401k and cashing that all out at once would not be pretty. So, I need a tax consultant to help me navigate this if needed and/or possible
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 19, 2019 15:54:08 GMT -5
your situation is actually somewhat BETTER than mine in basic terms.
I am going to have to fork over some significant cash to get the PR status that you already enjoy.
True on the status, but I read somewhere (and can't find it anymore) that I would not be allowed to keep any investment accounts in the US if I am no longer a resident. If that is true that could pose a probleem since I do have a largish chunk of my investments in a 401k and cashing that all out at once would not be pretty. So, I need a tax consultant to help me navigate this if needed and/or possible if you don't mind, lmk what you find out. it doesn't really affect me, but I am curious about it. you can IM me if you are uncomfortable posting on the open board.
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True on the status, but I read somewhere (and can't find it anymore) that I would not be allowed to keep any investment accounts in the US if I am no longer a resident. If that is true that could pose a problem since I do have a largish chunk of my investments in a 401k and cashing that all out at once would not be pretty. So, I need a tax consultant to help me navigate this if needed and/or possible if you don't mind, lmk what you find out. it doesn't really affect me, but I am curious about it. you can IM me if you are uncomfortable posting on the open board.
Will do. But through IM → I suspect that will take quite some time though (vacations, a remodel, etc. may get in the way)
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 19, 2019 16:40:40 GMT -5
if you don't mind, lmk what you find out. it doesn't really affect me, but I am curious about it. you can IM me if you are uncomfortable posting on the open board.
Will do. But through IM → I suspect that will take quite some time though (vacations, a remodel, etc. may get in the way) it would be of LONG TERM interest to me. it doesn't affect me short term. so, thanks.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 21, 2019 7:13:35 GMT -5
Maybe not the best example, but it was the one provided by the poster. I thought the answer was humorously simple to the complaint. Your issue on it's value, might be best taken up with that person. Is your premise being that I personally don't use the metric system ? Or did you mean the general 'you' ? i was actually thinking of "the US" when i said that. i would have said y'all, but sometimes i forget how useful that is. For emphasis, you can always use "all y'all".
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