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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 29, 2019 15:35:29 GMT -5
Couldn't charge him does not mean that is innocent. My favorite Judge Judy saying is "Not guilty does not mean innocent". It means that there wasn't sufficient evidence for that particular investigation to prosecute.
That's how OJ Simpson was able to be found not guilty in criminal court but guilty in civil court. Different rules.
Just because the DOJ decided there was not enough evidence to prosecute does not mean that the rules outlined in the constitution do not give Congress the right to prosecute Trump for his misdeeds.
This idea that Congress should not do it's duty is mind boggling to me. I cannot imagine a single poster doing a happy dance about Trump letting Obama off half as easily.
FFS we had a poster who consistently claimed Clinton should be marched in front of a firing squad for using a private server. We had EIGHT Bengazi investigations and people want more! But this, well people just need to shut up because Trump and his BFF Barr say there is nothing to see here.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 29, 2019 15:42:01 GMT -5
Couldn't charge him does not mean that is innocent. My favorite Judge Judy saying is "Not guilty does not mean innocent". It means that there wasn't sufficient evidence for that particular investigation to prosecute. Just because the DOJ decided there was not enough evidence to prosecute does not mean that the rules outlined in the constitution do not give Congress the right to prosecute Trump for his misdeeds. This idea that Congress should not do it's duty is mind boggling to me. FFS we had a poster who consistently claimed Clinton should be marched in front of a firing squad for using a private server. We had EIGHT Bengazi investigations and people want more! But this, well people just need to shut up because Trump and his BFF Barr say there is nothing to see here. Both Jared and Ivanka used private servers for official business. LOCK THEM UP! These are people who never should have had security clearance, but Daddy gave it to them, anyway. WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A White House whistleblower has said the Trump administration overruled security experts to give questionable security clearances to more than two dozen people, including the president’s daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared Kushner. www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-clearances/whistleblower-says-ivanka-jared-got-security-clearance-over-experts-advice-idUSKCN1RD2HU
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Post by billisonboard on May 29, 2019 16:06:27 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on May 29, 2019 16:20:47 GMT -5
Pretty much. The investigation was pretty much just a distraction according to him. He thanked A.G. Barr for releasing as much of the original report as Barr possibly could. that tells the democrats to get over it........nothing was hidden from anyone. He admits the Russians interfered with the election process. He indicted the Russian perpetrators He could not charge the President based on Federal law. He knew that from day one. He refuses to say anything more about the investigation. He is retiring or is about to, from government. Do not ask him anything about this in the future. He is not going to go before Congress. He admitted they could not find a chargeable offense by Trump, hence no collusion, no obstruction. A good prosecutor either finds a chargeable offense or closes the investigation. By ommission, he is also admitting no Trump family member or a member of his election staff or Presidential office staff colluded with the Russians because unlike the President, they could be charged for the crime and no one was charged. He sounded like he wanted to find Trump guilty and did his darndest, imo. Here is a good synopsis of today. www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/well-never-be-rid-of-robert-mueller/ar-AAC5Xwc?li=BBnb7KzOne other thing. I do not know how good of a public speaker he is, but he looked and acted very very tired. Hope his health is good.You forgot one tiny teeny tidbit: 'If we had had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so'.
However, there is at least one statement that you made that I whole-heartedly agree with: I too hope that Mueller's health is good. And not for any political reason but just because I have no reason to wish him anything else.
'If we had had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so' The most damning comment from Mueller's speech and valuebuy didn't include it. How typical of him.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 29, 2019 16:25:44 GMT -5
Did that turn out the way you hoped? Pretty much. The investigation was pretty much just a distraction according to him. He thanked A.G. Barr for releasing as much of the original report as Barr possibly could. that tells the democrats to get over it........nothing was hidden from anyone. He admits the Russians interfered with the election process. He indicted the Russian perpetrators He could not charge the President based on Federal law. He knew that from day one. He refuses to say anything more about the investigation. He is retiring or is about to, from government. Do not ask him anything about this in the future. He is not going to go before Congress. He admitted they could not find a chargeable offense by Trumphe said nothing remotely like that.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 29, 2019 16:26:30 GMT -5
on another board, some Trumpeter is crowing on and on about the investigation into the investigation. I told her I WELCOME IT. why? because I have every confidence that the investigation was done properly, that's why.
there was a point in time where the GOP knew that, too. several points in time, actually.
Wait....you're cheating on us.... AGAIN!!! yeah. I am kinda nasty in that way.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 29, 2019 16:38:02 GMT -5
Did that turn out the way you hoped? Pretty much. The investigation was pretty much just a distraction according to him. He thanked A.G. Barr for releasing as much of the original report as Barr possibly could. that tells the democrats to get over it........nothing was hidden from anyone. He admits the Russians interfered with the election process. He indicted the Russian perpetrators He could not charge the President based on Federal law. He knew that from day one. He refuses to say anything more about the investigation. He is retiring or is about to, from government. Do not ask him anything about this in the future. He is not going to go before Congress. He admitted they could not find a chargeable offense by Trump, hence no collusion, no obstruction. A good prosecutor either finds a chargeable offense or closes the investigation. By ommission, he is also admitting no Trump family member or a member of his election staff or Presidential office staff colluded with the Russians because unlike the President, they could be charged for the crime and no one was charged. He sounded like he wanted to find Trump guilty and did his darndest, imo. Here is a good synopsis of today.www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/well-never-be-rid-of-robert-mueller/ar-AAC5Xwc?li=BBnb7KzOne other thing. I do not know how good of a public speaker he is, but he looked and acted very very tired. Hope his health is good. Matthew Walther, the author of the opinion piece on MSN's page, is a conservative hack.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 29, 2019 16:49:52 GMT -5
"He admitted they could not find a chargeable offense by Trump "
He admitted no such thing. Please provide a link, or did you pull that out of your nether regions?
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Post by NastyWoman on May 29, 2019 17:07:02 GMT -5
. However, he was barred by Barr from doing so!
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Post by TheHaitian on May 29, 2019 17:23:49 GMT -5
Value Buy let me help you out: —-> Mueller at 3:10: “WHEN a subject of an investigation, obstructs that investigation, or LIES to investigators it strikes at the core of the governments effort to find the truth and hold wrong doers accountable.” —-> Mueller at 4:28 “…IF we had had confidence that the president clearly DID NOT commit a crime, we would have said so.” —-> Mueller at 4:40: “…under long-standing department policy a present president can not be charged with a federal crime while he is in office." —-> Mueller at 5:15: “Charging the president with a crime was therefore NOT AN OPTION we could consider.” —-> At 6:00: “…the Constitution requires a process OTHER than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting President of wrong doing.” ————> which means to me : HELLO CONGRESS, DO YOUR JOB, I DID MINE!!!
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Post by Tennesseer on May 29, 2019 17:49:15 GMT -5
Honestly, what bothers me most of all, is that in general we agree that Russia interfered and no one is talking about it. Are we going to do anything to discourage their behavior? Can we do anything to educate social media users? Can we do anything to minimize the damage? We won't because Trump might have to admit that he may have been helped by them (even if he didn't have any say in the matter) and doing that would put an asterisk next to the election results. His poor sad ego couldn't handle that. Trump sides with Russia against FBI at Helsinki summit
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Post by thyme4change on May 29, 2019 19:22:54 GMT -5
"He admitted they could not find a chargeable offense by Trump "
He admitted no such thing. Please provide a link, or did you pull that out of your nether regions? Nether Region News!
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Post by Value Buy on May 30, 2019 6:50:26 GMT -5
Pretty much. The investigation was pretty much just a distraction according to him. He thanked A.G. Barr for releasing as much of the original report as Barr possibly could. that tells the democrats to get over it........nothing was hidden from anyone. He admits the Russians interfered with the election process. He indicted the Russian perpetrators He could not charge the President based on Federal law. He knew that from day one. He refuses to say anything more about the investigation. He is retiring or is about to, from government. Do not ask him anything about this in the future. He is not going to go before Congress. He admitted they could not find a chargeable offense by Trumphe said nothing remotely like that. Since he found nothing that he could charge, he absolutly did say that. Silence is golden.
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Post by Value Buy on May 30, 2019 6:53:28 GMT -5
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Post by oped on May 30, 2019 6:57:42 GMT -5
He wasn’t silent. You are acting deaf.
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Post by happyhoix on May 30, 2019 7:19:01 GMT -5
he said nothing remotely like that. Since he found nothing that he could charge, he absolutly did say that. Silence is golden. Since his department determined a sitting president could not be charged, they did not charge him, but Mueller stated, point blank and in basic English, IF THERE WAS CLEAR EVIDENCE THE PRESIDENT DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME, WE WOULD HAVE SAID SO."
And they did not say so - and as you point out, silence is golden.
Not only did the not say so, the went on to list out 10 ways Trump DID obstruct the investigation, including having someone falsify a memo and stick it in a file they knew Mueller would be reviewing, in order to OBSTRUCT THE INVESTIGATION.
I would challenge you to explain what Mueller meant by that statement, if it doesn't mean what it appears to mean.
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Post by happyhoix on May 30, 2019 7:39:54 GMT -5
DH watched Fox - the talking heads (not Fox news, which was actually very critical of Trump after Mueller spoke) and they had spliced together Mueller's comments so that they only showed the 'nice' ones.
So Fox and Friends only viewers (like my MIL and SIL) are likely going to be confused about all the controversy over Mueller's comments, since they will only have seen the unicorn and flowers version of it.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 30, 2019 8:25:50 GMT -5
Since he found nothing that he could charge, he absolutly did say that. Silence is golden. Since his department determined a sitting president could not be charged, they did not charge him, but Mueller stated, point blank and in basic English, IF THERE WAS CLEAR EVIDENCE THE PRESIDENT DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME, WE WOULD HAVE SAID SO."
And they did not say so - and as you point out, silence is golden.
Not only did the not say so, the went on to list out 10 ways Trump DID obstruct the investigation, including having someone falsify a memo and stick it in a file they knew Mueller would be reviewing, in order to OBSTRUCT THE INVESTIGATION.
I would challenge you to explain what Mueller meant by that statement, if it doesn't mean what it appears to mean.
It is the DoJ which states a sitting president cannot be charged with a crime. Therefore Mueller could not charge trump with a crime. I am shocked valuebuy is not aware of this. Shocked I say.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 30, 2019 11:55:33 GMT -5
What most Americans heard and what trump supporters heard.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 30, 2019 12:09:50 GMT -5
he said nothing remotely like that. Since he found nothing that he could charge .....due to department rules.
this is the equivalent of me saying that I can't type certain things on this board without them being autochanged.
you are treating a trivial fact as if it were an acquittal. it was nothing of the kind.
and no, silence is the way Mueller works. and I admire him for it.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 30, 2019 13:22:32 GMT -5
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Post by swamp on May 30, 2019 13:26:11 GMT -5
have we reached 11,000 lies yet?
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Post by justme on May 30, 2019 13:36:13 GMT -5
Since he found nothing that he could charge .....due to department rules.
this is the equivalent of me saying that I can't type certain things on this board without them being autochanged.
you are treating a trivial fact as if it were an acquittal. it was nothing of the kind.
and no, silence is the way Mueller works. and I admire him for it.
I was laughing so hard at the Daily Show clip talking about how this was the first we've heard from Mueller and maybe he talks like the minions. In the day of 24/7 news the ones who aren't always talking are the standouts.
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Post by thyme4change on May 30, 2019 14:23:19 GMT -5
Did Hannity really say that Mueller doesn't understand the law? 🙄
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Post by happyhoix on May 30, 2019 16:25:08 GMT -5
Who would have guessed five years ago that this is how an article in Newsweek about the President of the United States would begin? President Donald Trump rattled off numerous contradictory statements, baseless accusations and falsehoods Thursday morning following former special counsel Robert Mueller’s rare on-camera statement the day prior, in which he reiterated one of his report’s conclusions that he could not exonerate the president of committing any crimes. www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/trump-issues-flurry-of-falsehoods-after-mueller-declined-to-exonerate-him/ar-AAC9Jzj
No one will bat an eye at that Newsweek called the sitting president a liar. No shock and outrage that the president actually lied and contradicted himself - because all Americans know that he lies and contradicts himself on a daily basis. This is just how it is, now. This is just normal presidential behavior now.
I know at some point Trump will no longer be president, but I wonder if the presidency will ever regain the dignity it once had.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 30, 2019 16:44:18 GMT -5
Who would have guessed five years ago that this is how an article in Newsweek about the President of the United States would begin? President Donald Trump rattled off numerous contradictory statements, baseless accusations and falsehoods Thursday morning following former special counsel Robert Mueller’s rare on-camera statement the day prior, in which he reiterated one of his report’s conclusions that he could not exonerate the president of committing any crimes. www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/trump-issues-flurry-of-falsehoods-after-mueller-declined-to-exonerate-him/ar-AAC9Jzj
No one will bat an eye at that Newsweek called the sitting president a liar. No shock and outrage that the president actually lied and contradicted himself - because all Americans know that he lies and contradicts himself on a daily basis. This is just how it is, now. This is just normal presidential behavior now.
I know at some point Trump will no longer be president, but I wonder if the presidency will ever regain the dignity it once had.
What Newsweek mentions along with everything trump promised and didn't deliver should be part of the Democratic position leading up to the 2020 election. Americans have a tendency to forgot what they heard just the day before so reminding them once again is a must. Trump has insulted and sullied the office of the presidency and the American people in all its diversity.
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Post by andi9899 on May 30, 2019 16:50:11 GMT -5
What most Americans heard and what trump supporters heard. Sending this to my dad.
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Post by happyhoix on May 30, 2019 17:49:46 GMT -5
If each of us had ten bucks for every person Trump claimed came and begged him for a job, we'd all be billionaires, too.
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