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Post by tallguy on Apr 16, 2019 12:04:45 GMT -5
If he could ever once be right about anything he says, or even make sense with anything he says, we would be a lot more forgiving. You above pretty much all people should understand that. B.S. there is nothing that you would ever approve from Trump. Wrong, again. George W. Bush was, until now, the worst president in at least three generations. I gave him credit when he did well. His first speech after 9/11 was very good, and was his single most presidential moment. It is difficult to think of more, because he was otherwise such an idiot and so bad in so many areas, but he was good in that moment so I give him credit. There has heretofore been NOTHING like that from Trump. He does not have a single "presidential" moment on his resume. If he ever does, I will credit him for it. I will guarantee this, however. I am not going to hold my breath waiting. He has not shown even the merest indication of either the desire or ability to be in any way presidential, and many, many times appears barely literate. He's like a toddler, completely self-absorbed and without even a comprehension that the world does not revolve around his whims and desires. Couple that with a singularly corrupt nature and the complete absence of a moral core and we are left with the worst president in history and the worst person ever elected. Believe me, I WISH he could prove me wrong, but he doesn't have it in him. He is exactly the same inside as he has been his entire adult public life, except now he has the adoration of millions of unthinking people boosting his ego. Extreme narcissism coupled with any kind of state power is a VERY bad combination. Look to history. It is replete with examples.
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Post by azucena on Apr 16, 2019 12:16:57 GMT -5
If he could ever once be right about anything he says, or even make sense with anything he says, we would be a lot more forgiving. You above pretty much all people should understand that. B.S. there is nothing that you would ever approve from Trump. B.S. I would happily approve his resignation letter.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 16, 2019 12:22:01 GMT -5
Why couldn't Trump has just done the presidential thing and said something like 'our nation's thoughts and prayers are with you during this terrible national loss?'
You know, like a real president would?
Guarantee no one would have had a problem with that. We'd be delighted if the man did something presidential for once.
I thought you hated any that resembled religion. this was Frances loss not our's.What an alarmingly stupid thing to say! It's a loss to the entire world. It was a UNESCO World Heritage site. It was a triumph of Gothic architecture. It withstood world wars and revolutions. It inspired paintings by Picasso and Matisse, not to mention great literature. Napoleon was crowned there. It took 200 years to build, from start to finish. Gone in a day. "France's loss not ours" my ass. Typical. If it doesn't happen within the borders of the US of A, it doesn't matter. Such phenomenal ignorance.
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 16, 2019 12:25:28 GMT -5
If trump had said nothing,,, you would have disapproved. If Trump had said they were doing a good job,,, you would have disapproved. If Trump had,,,,, you would have disapproved. If Trump,,,, you would have disapproved. If,,, you would have disapproved. Not unfair. However: If trump had said nothing,,, you would have approved. If Trump had said they were doing a good job,,, you would have approved. If Trump had,,,,, you would have approved. If Trump,,,, you would have approved. If,,, you would have approved. Oh yeah. By the way: i n this case, what he did actually tweet was INCREDIBLY STUPID. It was. Evidently, the fire fighters were trying to fight the blaze from the ground. The fear was that water from water bombers would be too heavy and the already-fragile roof would collapse. But hey! Trump knows best.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 16, 2019 12:32:44 GMT -5
I thought you hated any that resembled religion. this was Frances loss not our's. Oh, so we aren't obligated to offer condolences anymore, in Trumplandia. It's every man for himself, fuck off and stop whining if your kid dies or your wife dies or your national cathedral burns down. Good to know.
And I'm a Christian. Why would I 'hated any that resembled religion?' What does that even mean?
And I'm a Christian.
You are and I apologize.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 16, 2019 12:44:42 GMT -5
I thought you hated any that resembled religion. this was Frances loss not our's.What an alarmingly stupid thing to say! It's a loss to the entire world. It was a UNESCO World Heritage site. It was a triumph of Gothic architecture. It withstood world wars and revolutions. It inspired paintings by Picasso and Matisse, not to mention great literature. Napoleon was crowned there. It took 200 years to build, from start to finish. Gone in a day. "France's loss not ours" my ass. Typical. If it doesn't happen within the borders of the US of A, it doesn't matter. Such phenomenal ignorance. Annnnnnd, I am sure you voiced a heartfelt condemnation when ISIS blew up the ancient temples.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Apr 16, 2019 12:49:59 GMT -5
I think I see a squirrel................
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 16, 2019 13:10:32 GMT -5
What an alarmingly stupid thing to say! It's a loss to the entire world. It was a UNESCO World Heritage site. It was a triumph of Gothic architecture. It withstood world wars and revolutions. It inspired paintings by Picasso and Matisse, not to mention great literature. Napoleon was crowned there. It took 200 years to build, from start to finish. Gone in a day. "France's loss not ours" my ass. Typical. If it doesn't happen within the borders of the US of A, it doesn't matter. Such phenomenal ignorance. Annnnnnd, I am sure you voiced a heartfelt condemnation when ISIS blew up the ancient temples. WTF does that have to do with the subject at hand??
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Post by weltschmerz on Apr 16, 2019 13:11:41 GMT -5
I think I see a squirrel................ You do see a squirrel.
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 16, 2019 13:19:20 GMT -5
Here is the scary part to me. President Trump makes a suggestion to the firefighters he has no operational control over out of total ignorance of appropriate fire fighting techniques. (I confess that I have total ignorance of fire fighting techniques.) What would have been the result if he did have operational control and had ordered it to take place? Those with expertise say it would have been a disaster. I have no expertise when it comes to dealing with North Korea. I don't truly know if the President meeting with Kim is/was a good idea. Previous presidents did not think it was a good idea and many experts did not think it was a good idea. However, President Trump acted differently. I have no expertise when it comes to moving the embassy in Israel nor proper action in regards to the Golan Heights. Good/bad, I don't know. Previous presidents did not think it was a good idea to move the embassy nor recognize Israeli authority over the Golan Heights. Many experts expressed neither being a good move. President Trump acted differently. Etc, etc, etc. President Trump's tweet regarding the fighting of the fire at Notre Dame illustrates in my mind, as I titled the thread, his display of arrogant ignorance in an area he has no expertise. I think it is too likely that the same thing comes into play in other situations where he overrides expert opinion in areas in which he does have operational control. My concern is that it will lead to disaster.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 16, 2019 13:41:57 GMT -5
Here is the scary part to me. President Trump makes a suggestion to the firefighters he has no operational control over out of total ignorance of appropriate fire fighting techniques. (I confess that I have total ignorance of fire fighting techniques.) What would have been the result if he did have operational control and had ordered it to take place? Those with expertise say it would have been a disaster. I have no expertise when it comes to dealing with North Korea. I don't truly know if the President meeting with Kim is/was a good idea. Previous presidents did not think it was a good idea and many experts did not think it was a good idea. However, President Trump acted differently. I have no expertise when it comes to moving the embassy in Israel nor proper action in regards to the Golan Heights. Good/bad, I don't know. Previous presidents did not think it was a good idea to move the embassy nor recognize Israeli authority over the Golan Heights. Many experts expressed neither being a good move. President Trump acted differently. Etc, etc, etc. President Trump's tweet regarding the fighting of the fire at Notre Dame illustrates in my mind, as I titled the thread, his display of arrogant ignorance in an area he has no expertise. I think it is too likely that the same thing comes into play in other situations where he overrides expert opinion in areas in which he does have operational control. My concern is that it will lead to disaster.
Your concern is not misplaced. He is even more intellectually lazy than Bush, and actively thinks himself FAR more intelligent and qualified than he is. We have almost daily examples of him disregarding expert opinion. He has not yet destroyed much that cannot ultimately be fixed, but leaving him to continue on his present path will likely do so in the future. It is almost inevitable. He can't help himself. Arrogance and ignorance are very appropriate descriptors for the man.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 16, 2019 13:46:52 GMT -5
The problem I had with Trump's suggestion is that it only takes a couple of minutes of thought to realize that it's a genuinely stupid suggestion. What is Trump suggesting? Dumping tons of water on a centuries old structure. In the middle of heavily populated area. With large amounts of firefighters in close proximity. Gee... whatever could go wrong? Moreover, the firefighters of Paris are comparable to our firefighters in western states. They are highly trained to fight the fires which are the most challenging in their areas. For our western state firefighters, those are massive forest fires. For the firefighters of Paris, it's fires in ancient buildings. Basically, Trump is the guy on the end bar stool shouting out whatever stupid thought comes to his mind first with no filter.
Wow. There is a thought. Can you imagine if he DID drink? At least there would be an excuse, other than just pure stupidity.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 16, 2019 19:22:13 GMT -5
Here is the scary part to me. President Trump makes a suggestion to the firefighters he has no operational control over out of total ignorance of appropriate fire fighting techniques. (I confess that I have total ignorance of fire fighting techniques.) What would have been the result if he did have operational control and had ordered it to take place? Those with expertise say it would have been a disaster. I have no expertise when it comes to dealing with North Korea. I don't truly know if the President meeting with Kim is/was a good idea. Previous presidents did not think it was a good idea and many experts did not think it was a good idea. However, President Trump acted differently. I have no expertise when it comes to moving the embassy in Israel nor proper action in regards to the Golan Heights. Good/bad, I don't know. Previous presidents did not think it was a good idea to move the embassy nor recognize Israeli authority over the Golan Heights. Many experts expressed neither being a good move. President Trump acted differently. Etc, etc, etc. President Trump's tweet regarding the fighting of the fire at Notre Dame illustrates in my mind, as I titled the thread, his display of arrogant ignorance in an area he has no expertise. I think it is too likely that the same thing comes into play in other situations where he overrides expert opinion in areas in which he does have operational control. My concern is that it will lead to disaster.
Do You think the arrogant French would listen to anything an American, Any American would say, Yes, I had a Fine French Couple buy a business in my field, Ironically, he had been a French firefighter. Since they were new at this, going in the wrong direction I offered guidance, I also point them in the direction of the best owner manager in the business to give them advise,,, They ignored both of us! 2 1/2 years later, $400.000 gone, declared bankruptcy,, oh yea, it was some one else's fault!
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 16, 2019 19:37:45 GMT -5
Here is the scary part to me. President Trump makes a suggestion to the firefighters he has no operational control over out of total ignorance of appropriate fire fighting techniques. (I confess that I have total ignorance of fire fighting techniques.) What would have been the result if he did have operational control and had ordered it to take place? Those with expertise say it would have been a disaster. I have no expertise when it comes to dealing with North Korea. I don't truly know if the President meeting with Kim is/was a good idea. Previous presidents did not think it was a good idea and many experts did not think it was a good idea. However, President Trump acted differently. I have no expertise when it comes to moving the embassy in Israel nor proper action in regards to the Golan Heights. Good/bad, I don't know. Previous presidents did not think it was a good idea to move the embassy nor recognize Israeli authority over the Golan Heights. Many experts expressed neither being a good move. President Trump acted differently. Etc, etc, etc. President Trump's tweet regarding the fighting of the fire at Notre Dame illustrates in my mind, as I titled the thread, his display of arrogant ignorance in an area he has no expertise. I think it is too likely that the same thing comes into play in other situations where he overrides expert opinion in areas in which he does have operational control. My concern is that it will lead to disaster.
Do You think the arrogant French would listen to anything an American, Any American would say, Yes, I had a Fine French Couple buy a business in my field, Ironically, he had been a French firefighter. Since they were new at this, going in the wrong direction I offered guidance, I also point them in the direction of the best owner manager in the business to give them advise,,, They ignored both of us! 2 1/2 years later, $400.000 gone, declared bankruptcy,, oh yea, it was some one else's fault!
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 16, 2019 20:30:32 GMT -5
Here is the scary part to me. President Trump makes a suggestion to the firefighters he has no operational control over out of total ignorance of appropriate fire fighting techniques. (I confess that I have total ignorance of fire fighting techniques.) What would have been the result if he did have operational control and had ordered it to take place? Those with expertise say it would have been a disaster. I have no expertise when it comes to dealing with North Korea. I don't truly know if the President meeting with Kim is/was a good idea. Previous presidents did not think it was a good idea and many experts did not think it was a good idea. However, President Trump acted differently. I have no expertise when it comes to moving the embassy in Israel nor proper action in regards to the Golan Heights. Good/bad, I don't know. Previous presidents did not think it was a good idea to move the embassy nor recognize Israeli authority over the Golan Heights. Many experts expressed neither being a good move. President Trump acted differently. Etc, etc, etc. President Trump's tweet regarding the fighting of the fire at Notre Dame illustrates in my mind, as I titled the thread, his display of arrogant ignorance in an area he has no expertise. I think it is too likely that the same thing comes into play in other situations where he overrides expert opinion in areas in which he does have operational control. My concern is that it will lead to disaster.
Your concern is not misplaced. He is even more intellectually lazy than Bush, and actively thinks himself FAR more intelligent and qualified than he is. We have almost daily examples of him disregarding expert opinion. He has not yet destroyed much that cannot ultimately be fixed, but leaving him to continue on his present path will likely do so in the future. It is almost inevitable. He can't help himself. Arrogance and ignorance are very appropriate descriptors for the man. they are probably the kindest, in a long list of descriptors. but yes, those two cut to the heart of the problem.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 16, 2019 21:08:30 GMT -5
Your concern is not misplaced. He is even more intellectually lazy than Bush, and actively thinks himself FAR more intelligent and qualified than he is. We have almost daily examples of him disregarding expert opinion. He has not yet destroyed much that cannot ultimately be fixed, but leaving him to continue on his present path will likely do so in the future. It is almost inevitable. He can't help himself. Arrogance and ignorance are very appropriate descriptors for the man. they are probably the kindest, in a long list of descriptors. but yes, those two cut to the heart of the problem. You know that I can, and have, come up with a lot more....
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Post by Opti on Apr 17, 2019 13:31:00 GMT -5
President Donald Trump encourages France to use “flying water tankers” to put out a raging fire at the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris as firefighters rushed to save one of the country’s most visited landmarks. link Why on Earth do you think you have the expertise to advise on this situation? Ever heard of " Better to keep your mouth shut ..." And he added "... Must act quickly!” No fucking shit Sherlock! I haven't had time to read much on this yet, too busy at work, but what I did read was more info on Trump's thought processes. The fire had to be the biggest fire ever seen or something like that, versus a tragic fire that no one expected. I'm glad to know it was mainly the roof and not the entire structure that was lost. I hope what gets rebuilt lasts hundreds of years without incident in the future. I am glad I visited it when I was in HS, pre its current condition.
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Post by Opti on Apr 17, 2019 13:35:57 GMT -5
Why couldn't Trump has just done the presidential thing and said something like 'our nation's thoughts and prayers are with you during this terrible national loss?'
You know, like a real president would?
Guarantee no one would have had a problem with that. We'd be delighted if the man did something presidential for once.
I thought you hated any that resembled religion. this was Frances loss not our's.I totally disagree. This is a loss to many around the globe just like the Towers in NYC was a global loss. One of my co-workers was so distraught that he actually said something like Notre Dame was the site of the "head" of the Catholic religion. There are priceless irreplaceable objects there and the building is ancient. Personally I grieve with France and all those who mourn the damage. I am not Catholic, I was raised Lutheran and much prefer it ... but the roots of the Lutheran faith come from the base of uncorrupted Catholicism.
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Post by Opti on Apr 17, 2019 13:41:37 GMT -5
Here is the scary part to me. President Trump makes a suggestion to the firefighters he has no operational control over out of total ignorance of appropriate fire fighting techniques. (I confess that I have total ignorance of fire fighting techniques.) What would have been the result if he did have operational control and had ordered it to take place? Those with expertise say it would have been a disaster. I have no expertise when it comes to dealing with North Korea. I don't truly know if the President meeting with Kim is/was a good idea. Previous presidents did not think it was a good idea and many experts did not think it was a good idea. However, President Trump acted differently. I have no expertise when it comes to moving the embassy in Israel nor proper action in regards to the Golan Heights. Good/bad, I don't know. Previous presidents did not think it was a good idea to move the embassy nor recognize Israeli authority over the Golan Heights. Many experts expressed neither being a good move. President Trump acted differently. Etc, etc, etc. President Trump's tweet regarding the fighting of the fire at Notre Dame illustrates in my mind, as I titled the thread, his display of arrogant ignorance in an area he has no expertise. I think it is too likely that the same thing comes into play in other situations where he overrides expert opinion in areas in which he does have operational control. My concern is that it will lead to disaster.
Do You think the arrogant French would listen to anything an American, Any American would say, Yes, I had a Fine French Couple buy a business in my field, Ironically, he had been a French firefighter. Since they were new at this, going in the wrong direction I offered guidance, I also point them in the direction of the best owner manager in the business to give them advise,,, They ignored both of us! 2 1/2 years later, $400.000 gone, declared bankruptcy,, oh yea, it was some one else's fault!
Its one example in your life, only indictative of one couple who may have had good reasons for ignoring your advice that you aren't aware of. I think current America is far more arrogant than France. France is far older than America, so maybe part of the "arrogance" is the fact that some young Americans don't appreciate a much older culture and history. Unlike you it seems, I've met many French people which includes some Americans who moved to France. One on one in this country, I've had mixed results being listened to, but that's true of anyone including you listening to me on this message board. (Movie homework, Uncle Drew, showing the value of the old versus young bloods who think they know it all ... and don;'t)
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Post by engineerdoe on Apr 17, 2019 14:56:51 GMT -5
What an alarmingly stupid thing to say! It's a loss to the entire world. It was a UNESCO World Heritage site. It was a triumph of Gothic architecture. It withstood world wars and revolutions. It inspired paintings by Picasso and Matisse, not to mention great literature. Napoleon was crowned there. It took 200 years to build, from start to finish. Gone in a day. "France's loss not ours" my ass. Typical. If it doesn't happen within the borders of the US of A, it doesn't matter. Such phenomenal ignorance. Annnnnnd, I am sure you voiced a heartfelt condemnation when ISIS blew up the ancient temples. I know I personally did. Seeing those Buddhas torn down was as heartbreaking as seeing the Notre Dame spire fall. Just as heartbreaking as the fires at the three Louisiana churches that were set by a white-nationalist. Where is your heartfelt condemnation of that?
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 17, 2019 23:58:55 GMT -5
The response was to Welts who is about the most anti religious poster here,
When ISIS blew up the temples , My thought was "What a waste of history"
I also think that it is terrible that the Churches were burned. And Notre Dame is indeed heartbreaking,, It is France's problem, Not ours.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 18, 2019 0:21:15 GMT -5
The response was to Welts who is about the most anti religious poster here,
When ISIS blew up the temples , My thought was "What a waste of history"
I also think that it is terrible that the Churches were burned. And Notre Dame is indeed heartbreaking,, It is France's problem, Not ours.
when the libraries and museums were burned and looted in Iraq, that was our problem, not theirs.
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