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Post by pappyjohn99 on Apr 5, 2011 1:14:30 GMT -5
A wise man used to say: "G--s and plenty of A--o."
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Post by straydog on Apr 5, 2011 2:00:57 GMT -5
So have we reached the tipping point where there are more takers than makers? What happens now? The house of cards falls? Hopefully not. The GOP taking congress was a LITTLE step toward putting on the brakes to the progressive rocket sled to hell that Obama is taking us on. Educating the public is the key, and message boards like this along with blogs are the best way to educate those whose eyes are not quite yet open to the great danger that we are headed for. lets just hope that we can get many more people on our side so we can delay this countries ride on the fast track to hell as much as possible.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Apr 5, 2011 6:59:20 GMT -5
A wise man used to say: "G--s and plenty of A--o."
Mr. pappyjohn99, I will pass on your kind words to the immortal Mr. fiscan. /Dalton
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Apr 5, 2011 7:09:51 GMT -5
So have we reached the tipping point where there are more takers than makers? What happens now? The house of cards falls? You're forgetting that the people in the article, while working for the government, are WORKING. They are by definition "Makers". Cloward/Piven is in reference to welfare. It's amazing how someone can compare a government worker with a welfare recipient.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Apr 5, 2011 7:10:43 GMT -5
How can the GOP expect to educate the public when Education is on the top of their list of budget cuts.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Apr 5, 2011 7:30:43 GMT -5
How can the GOP expect to educate the public when Education is on the top of their list of budget cuts. I don't believe that blindly throwing more money at a failing educational system is a good thing. I spoke to a soon-to-graduate high school Senior yesterday and he wasn't even aware that our country was having any financial problems nor what a Democrat was. So keep the funding at the level it is current at and reform the system. Blinding slashing it will not help.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Apr 5, 2011 7:36:34 GMT -5
<<< So keep the funding at the level it is current at >>> ...no... we need to ratchet back to previous funding levels... like in 1850...
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Apr 5, 2011 7:56:42 GMT -5
So keep the funding at the level it is current at and reform the system. Blinding slashing it will not help. The system can't be reformed. This termite infested house needs to be torn down and rebuilt. The tenants are quickly walking away. Torn down and replaced? Then send all the kids home and when you are ready let us know so that we can send them back to school. Or we can come up with a plan to reform (or replace) and then implement that plan. There is no plan in just slashing the budget, it's a reaction that has not been thought out and a gamble with kids lives.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Apr 5, 2011 8:02:18 GMT -5
<<< a gamble with kids lives. >>> ...gasp... are you suggesting that parents across the land will kill their kids rather than keep them alive while they're home?
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 5, 2011 9:15:35 GMT -5
Sorry, I don't know why my last post was put in a quote. Still trying to figure out this board. We won't have to send the kids home, they are leaving in droves, headed to private, charter and home schools. This will be the new wave of education, the new reform. Let it happen, put the money here, back in the hands of the parents. Give them the means to make the choices in their children's education. If the decision is to end public schools, so be it. Just don't take my money and hand it to parents to use any way they see fit. I am taxed for schools and I am represented in the running of those schools by a duly elected school board.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 5, 2011 9:17:18 GMT -5
The system can't be reformed. This termite infested house needs to be torn down and rebuilt. The tenants are quickly walking away. Torn down and replaced? Then send all the kids home and when you are ready let us know so that we can send them back to school. Or we can come up with a plan to reform (or replace) and then implement that plan. There is no plan in just slashing the budget, it's a reaction that has not been thought out and a gamble with kids lives. There's no plan to "slash" the budget. It's actually a comprehensive plan, the cuts are very modest- there's nothing spectacular about decreasing government spending by $6 trillion over 10 years when the President's proposal is to borrow $1.67 trillion in 2012 alone- on top of his previous spending which is up 84% since 2009. The people gambling with children's lives right now are Democrats and their supporters like you who would rather demagogue the issue and avoid the rather easy decisions now in favor of much harder, much more harsh decisions later.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Apr 5, 2011 9:36:03 GMT -5
Tell me about this comprehensive plan for education, and how it is going to help educate children, or at least keep them at the levels they are now?
The rest of your post is just rhetoric.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Apr 5, 2011 9:37:26 GMT -5
<<< a gamble with kids lives. >>> ...gasp... are you suggesting that parents across the land will kill their kids rather than keep them alive while they're home? a gamble with their education is a gamble with their productive lives. If you want less people on welfare, you don't undereducated them. Not everything is a life or death situation.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 5, 2011 9:47:45 GMT -5
<<< a gamble with kids lives. >>> ...gasp... are you suggesting that parents across the land will kill their kids rather than keep them alive while they're home? a gamble with their education is a gamble with their productive lives. If you want less people on welfare, you don't undereducated them. Not everything is a life or death situation. Premise rejected.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Apr 5, 2011 9:53:04 GMT -5
a gamble with their education is a gamble with their productive lives. If you want less people on welfare, you don't undereducated them. Not everything is a life or death situation. Premise rejected. uh, ok! Sounds like a typical response when you have no argument.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Apr 5, 2011 9:59:45 GMT -5
There is no plan to dismantle or shut down public education, education can be handled at the state level.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 5, 2011 10:12:19 GMT -5
uh, ok! Sounds like a typical response when you have no argument. I have a response. And you just read it. The premise of your argument is false because in reality it is YOU that has no argument. There's no plan to close schools and let kids run wild. So, I repeat: premise rejected. If you have something of substance, grounded in reality, and containing at least a grain of truth- fine. But so far you do not.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 5, 2011 10:15:36 GMT -5
Kids dying, kids not being educated, kids starving, kids working in sweat shops-- none of that bullsh** is gonna work this time. Your party had best come to the adult table and prepare for a battle, or shellacking won't even begin to describe what happens to them in 2012. Eviscerated will be more like it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 5, 2011 10:16:32 GMT -5
I knew a whole bunch of people were going to have to find honest work, but I had no idea it's as bad as Stephen Moore lays out in this article.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2011 10:21:25 GMT -5
I notice his proposal doesn't even touch defense? Am i missing it?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 5, 2011 10:45:21 GMT -5
I think they were smart about this proposal. I think they left defense spending in place for two reasons: first, we are actually at war- in three countries now instead of two- and there's a certain amount of spending that's simply required to keep those operations going, and actually a slight bump will probably be required for the logistics of getting out. Men and materiel of that nature aren't free, or even cheap to move. Second, I think they want something they can negotiate on when Democrats say let's spend more here, they can say find a place to cut- Dems will go for their traditional target: national defense, and they can compromise.
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Post by ed1066 on Apr 5, 2011 10:55:01 GMT -5
Kids dying, kids not being educated, kids starving, kids working in sweat shops-- none of that bullsh** is gonna work this time. Your party had best come to the adult table and prepare for a battle, or shellacking won't even begin to describe what happens to them in 2012. Eviscerated will be more like it. Indeed, the histrionics and drama queen antics Pelosi, Reid, Obama and the rest of the Democrats used to shove Obamacare, the bogus "stimulus" and the power grab "bailouts" down our throats have been exposed for exactly what they are, bulls*^t dissimulation and lies. It most certainly won't work again, not since the balls have been put back into the GOP and it's looking like they will not roll over again like they did for those issues. Real, painful, legitimate and necessary cuts will need to be made. And in order for that to happen, the country needs to take a good, hard, long look at the policy failures of the last 40 years. The Democrats shrieking that "kids will die!" "teachers will starve!" "workers will shrivel up" is all dead. It won't work. No one's buying it this time. It's time for all the politicians to pull up their pants and do what needs to be done. Otherwise I have no doubt the people will take it upon themselves...
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Post by workpublic on Apr 5, 2011 11:24:05 GMT -5
You're forgetting that the people in the article, while working for the government, are WORKING. They are by definition "Makers".
what product or service do they "make" that is funded by the profits of the selling of the product or service they "make"?
taxpayer funded jobs are not "makers" of anything.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Apr 5, 2011 11:49:18 GMT -5
This isn't really a reflection on the increase of government jobs, but the decrease in manufacturing, etc jobs. "Between 1995 and 2005, the United States lost more than 3 million manufacturing jobs." www.brookings.edu/reports/2006/07useconomics_wial.aspx"There are a total of 21,292,000 government employees in the United States as of February 2010. This is according to the Employment Situation Summary published by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics on March 5, 2010. This number shows an 0.6% increase in the number of US government employees compared to February 2009." www.numberof.net/number-of-government-employees-in-the-us-2/Too bad the korporate tools can't figure that out. Out of one side of their mouths they spout how shipping jobs overseas and massive layoffs are good for profits, then out of the other side complain when those sectors are being beat out by other ones or how we have high unemployment. BTW, with that mouth action you guys got going, you should start a ventriloquist act, except you're not the ventriloquists (that's the korporations' job, and we all know where they're hands are ) Someone has put a lot of stock in the tin foil industry. The Koch brothers would be proud and really glad you do it for free. LOL at thinking a bunch of anti-intellectual malcontent and sometimes sociopathic Conservatives are going to do anything except "teach" each other what they already "know." Sorry, but circle jerkin' and self congratulatin' aren't going to teach anyone anything. Class dismissed. How about leaving us a link? LOL at anybody thinking people who make responses like these are supposed to educate anyone. Except for working in the Republican party, can anyone tell me where empty rhetoric, making shit up as you go along, and self declared victories would come in handy? Let's see first of all, he wanted an argument, not just a "response" (typing in djgfdghdgh is a response too, is that going to win any "arguments" or lack thereof?). And your response was "I have a response." Wow, you're the first person I can recall that defeated his own response, rather than argument. "You're Winner!" IT is YOU WHO LOST because all YOU have IS A SELF-declared VICTORY!!!!1! Note how I capitalized more words, bolded it, and put in lots of exclamation points, so I winz! Conservative playbook rule #138: TO win an ARGUMENT, CAPITALIZE random WORDS, etc. Coincidentally, that's also in the Twelve Year Old Troll Handbook too. Making up things never works. I suggest if you're just going to pull a strawman and make things up, go all the way. Since you're just going for the dramatic and have given up anything resembling an argument a long time ago, I suggest adding "kids exploding" next time. That'll really drive your lack of a point home. We're still waiting for your plan on education, so sorry, that deflection of yours didn't work, Mr. Pot. Poster rejected.
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Post by ed1066 on Apr 5, 2011 12:07:54 GMT -5
Barack Obama's administration. And shockingly, his worshipers buy it every time. You're welcome...
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 5, 2011 12:09:31 GMT -5
Manufacturing, farming, fishing, forestry, and mining have been shedding jobs for decades. Automation means fewer people can produce more with less resources. As a result workers are going to industries that are hiring. I'm not sure what you're suggesting. People leave the government (which has jobs) and goes to industries like mining and farming that doesn't have jobs? I thought the free market was to decide where the jobs are, and that's not in "old school" industry.
Workers are going where the jobs are, simple as that. If government is hiring, that’s where people will go to get jobs. Hate the game and not the players. I also dislike this comparison of government employees to welfare recipients, criminals, and “takers”. Being a civil servant is (or at least used to be) considered a noble profession.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Apr 5, 2011 12:12:06 GMT -5
Cloward/Piven is in reference to welfare. It's amazing how someone can compare a government worker with a welfare recipient.
Actually, it is pretty easy to do. About 80% of the federal government is made up as you go, bs, pc policy, patronage appointment garbage and outside of the original government mandate as outlined in your Constitution. So the people working in that 80% could easily be compared to welfare recipients. They are worse as a matter of fact since they draw much more tax dollars from good honest hardworking real American citizens in private industry, the only real producers.
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 5, 2011 12:18:14 GMT -5
You can't handle the truth! Ma'am, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Ms mkitty? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Obama and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Obama's soon to be expected demise, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. And remember excessive obscenity by a woman is a big turn off even to a hardened old Jarhead. Have A Nice Day, P.I. (USMCret)
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