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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2019 18:02:05 GMT -5
Certainly not the Global Warming Theory,
Which is behind the Government bid / Estimate, Accuracy Theory! Like in the accuracy of the Cali high speed transit system bid/estimate!! Where they were working off tangible product!! A couple of years out.
Not 50, 75, or 100 years out, with an intangible product.
So tell me, are you costs estimates running your business as accurate as the Government costs estimates??
not sure what you are referring to.
I don't generally do cost estimates.
I bill on the basis of time and materiels.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 27, 2019 21:18:36 GMT -5
If you don't do cost estimates, how do you know what your cost is?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 28, 2019 19:51:12 GMT -5
If you don't do cost estimates, how do you know what your cost is? I don't really. I am making so much money that I would guess that my costs are less than what I charge.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 28, 2019 21:21:33 GMT -5
Well I keep pretty close watch on my costs anyway.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 28, 2019 23:43:08 GMT -5
NASA, Is the Scientific group that is the leading authority on Climate Change!! Agreed? NASA Scientific Projects. The are a bunch more but this will work for now,
Hmmmm, given the accuracy of their costs on a Tangible product,,,,short term,,,,, Why would I have questions on the Accuracy of their Climate Change long range forecast on an intangible product? Same agency!!
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 29, 2019 1:35:59 GMT -5
NASA, Is the Scientific group that is the leading authority on Climate Change!! Agreed?
actually, i would think that NOAA is way better equipped for that work, but i honestly don't pay that much attention to it any longer.
i have done enough research on this subject to not feel the need to study it any further.
but if you are not there yet, by all means, have at it.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 29, 2019 10:34:56 GMT -5
NOAA, and NASA, You are confusing weather with Global Warming.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 29, 2019 10:36:20 GMT -5
OH MY GOD,, It is happening there too!! Neptune Global Warming,,, I am surprised you have not see this yet!
It is so hot there it is burning a hole!!!
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 29, 2019 20:04:22 GMT -5
NOAA, and NASA, You are confusing weather with Global Warming. am I?
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 29, 2019 20:09:18 GMT -5
NOAA, and NASA, You are confusing weather with Global Warming. am I? That's what they tell me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 29, 2019 20:15:29 GMT -5
That's what they tell me. well, if you are talking to them, then I guess I should believe you.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 30, 2019 10:53:11 GMT -5
That's what they tell me. well, if you are talking to them, then I guess I should believe you. Here, Welts can help you with that!!
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 30, 2019 11:18:02 GMT -5
well, if you are talking to them, then I guess I should believe you. Here, Welts can help you with that!! I gave you dozens of reasonable answers, with links, and yet, you STILL don't know the difference between weather and climate.
we were not discussing the difference between weather and climate, but between NASA and NOAA.
you can feel free to have the other discussion with weltz, if you like. it doesn't interest me.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 18, 2019 0:15:17 GMT -5
Wow, they studied Hurricane way back to 1956 to determine that Maria was powered by Climate Change,,, Wonder if they studied the size of the pebbles left by Maria?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 18, 2019 11:01:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 11:05:19 GMT -5
I looked at one of the links. www.c2es.org/content/climate-basics-for-kids/And it said this... Quote; The Science . Scientific evidence paints a clear picture: Climate change is happening, it is caused in large part by human activity, and it will have many serious and potentially damaging effects in the decades ahead. Greenhouse gas emissions from cars, power plants and other man-made sources—rather than natural variations in climate—are the primary cause. These emissions include carbon dioxide — the main greenhouse gas — which has reached a concentration level in our atmosphere that the Earth hasn’t seen for more than 400,000 years. These greenhouse gases act like a blanket, trapping the sun’s warmth near the earth’s surface, and affecting the planet’s climate system.
I have a question.
I'll disregard the logical fallacy/premise of the first parts of the paragraph, that seems to be an attempt to indoctrinate children, and zero in on the last bolded sentence. The actual attempt at science part. If the greenhouse gases act like a blanket (insulating layer), Wouldn't that very same insulating property, prevent an equal amount of energy to reach the surface, on the energy acquisition side of the planet ?
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 18, 2019 13:17:29 GMT -5
totally uninterested in science for kids. I'm an adult. i can deal with the facts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 8:29:08 GMT -5
totally uninterested in science for kids. I'm an adult. i can deal with the facts. You didn't reply to post #9 And the resultant #23. .
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Post by tallguy on Apr 20, 2019 19:02:00 GMT -5
I looked at one of the links. www.c2es.org/content/climate-basics-for-kids/And it said this... Quote; The Science . Scientific evidence paints a clear picture: Climate change is happening, it is caused in large part by human activity, and it will have many serious and potentially damaging effects in the decades ahead. Greenhouse gas emissions from cars, power plants and other man-made sources—rather than natural variations in climate—are the primary cause. These emissions include carbon dioxide — the main greenhouse gas — which has reached a concentration level in our atmosphere that the Earth hasn’t seen for more than 400,000 years. These greenhouse gases act like a blanket, trapping the sun’s warmth near the earth’s surface, and affecting the planet’s climate system.
I have a question.
I'll disregard the logical fallacy/premise of the first parts of the paragraph, that seems to be an attempt to indoctrinate children, and zero in on the last bolded sentence. The actual attempt at science part. If the greenhouse gases act like a blanket (insulating layer), Wouldn't that very same insulating property, prevent an equal amount of energy to reach the surface, on the energy acquisition side of the planet ?
As I recall, that is not exactly how it works. The "blanket" analogy is somewhat of a misnomer or oversimplification. There is no "barrier." What actually happens is that the greenhouse gas molecules absorb the sun's energy, whether it is coming from the sun or being reflected back from Earth. Those molecules vibrate, releasing heat that causes the air to warm around them. The more greenhouse gases present in the atmosphere the more energy is absorbed and the more heat radiated. The atmosphere becomes warmer. So no, your supposition is incorrect.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 21, 2019 11:51:44 GMT -5
I looked at one of the links. www.c2es.org/content/climate-basics-for-kids/And it said this... Quote; The Science . Scientific evidence paints a clear picture: Climate change is happening, it is caused in large part by human activity, and it will have many serious and potentially damaging effects in the decades ahead. Greenhouse gas emissions from cars, power plants and other man-made sources—rather than natural variations in climate—are the primary cause. These emissions include carbon dioxide — the main greenhouse gas — which has reached a concentration level in our atmosphere that the Earth hasn’t seen for more than 400,000 years. These greenhouse gases act like a blanket, trapping the sun’s warmth near the earth’s surface, and affecting the planet’s climate system.
I have a question.
I'll disregard the logical fallacy/premise of the first parts of the paragraph, that seems to be an attempt to indoctrinate children, and zero in on the last bolded sentence. The actual attempt at science part. If the greenhouse gases act like a blanket (insulating layer), Wouldn't that very same insulating property, prevent an equal amount of energy to reach the surface, on the energy acquisition side of the planet ?
As I recall, that is not exactly how it works. The "blanket" analogy is somewhat of a misnomer or oversimplification. There is no "barrier." What actually happens is that the greenhouse gas molecules absorb the sun's energy, whether it is coming from the sun or being reflected back from Earth. Those molecules vibrate, releasing heat that causes the air to warm around them. The more greenhouse gases present in the atmosphere the more energy is absorbed and the more heat radiated. The atmosphere becomes warmer. So no, your supposition is incorrect. A nice well thought out presentation brought into this debate!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 12:21:31 GMT -5
I looked at one of the links. www.c2es.org/content/climate-basics-for-kids/And it said this... Quote; The Science . Scientific evidence paints a clear picture: Climate change is happening, it is caused in large part by human activity, and it will have many serious and potentially damaging effects in the decades ahead. Greenhouse gas emissions from cars, power plants and other man-made sources—rather than natural variations in climate—are the primary cause. These emissions include carbon dioxide — the main greenhouse gas — which has reached a concentration level in our atmosphere that the Earth hasn’t seen for more than 400,000 years. These greenhouse gases act like a blanket, trapping the sun’s warmth near the earth’s surface, and affecting the planet’s climate system.
I have a question.
I'll disregard the logical fallacy/premise of the first parts of the paragraph, that seems to be an attempt to indoctrinate children, and zero in on the last bolded sentence. The actual attempt at science part. If the greenhouse gases act like a blanket (insulating layer), Wouldn't that very same insulating property, prevent an equal amount of energy to reach the surface, on the energy acquisition side of the planet ?
As I recall, that is not exactly how it works. The "blanket" analogy is somewhat of a misnomer or oversimplification. There is no "barrier." What actually happens is that the greenhouse gas molecules absorb the sun's energy, whether it is coming from the sun or being reflected back from Earth. Those molecules vibrate, releasing heat that causes the air to warm around them. The more greenhouse gases present in the atmosphere the more energy is absorbed and the more heat radiated. The atmosphere becomes warmer. So no, your supposition is incorrect. Yet that is what is being taught to our children... (bolded) very good, time to move on, on my incorrectness. The green house gasses aren't displacing. They are adding volume to the atmosphere. They are also energy saturated and transfer of energy at saturation, happens at speed of light, including out bound on the dark side, at all frequencies. With non displacement happening, the outer arc of the atmosphere is growing while the inner arc at ground level remain the same. This increases the exchange area, to help negate the additional atmosphere energy containment. This provides a balancing effect to temperature rise. Could be one reason why most climate models were wrong to the low side. There are a lot of reasons actually, but we'll be moving out of the logical fallacy, 'carbon comfort zone', that's been the norm for so long, if this conversation continues. ymam.proboards.com/post/2983440
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 12:50:43 GMT -5
As I recall, that is not exactly how it works. The "blanket" analogy is somewhat of a misnomer or oversimplification. There is no "barrier." What actually happens is that the greenhouse gas molecules absorb the sun's energy, whether it is coming from the sun or being reflected back from Earth. Those molecules vibrate, releasing heat that causes the air to warm around them. The more greenhouse gases present in the atmosphere the more energy is absorbed and the more heat radiated. The atmosphere becomes warmer. So no, your supposition is incorrect. A nice well thought out presentation brought into this debate! To bad tallguy didn't know the difference between a question and a statement. (supposition) Questions are usually followed by one of these > ?
Sometimes they are even prefaced with "I have a question". I can see some limits on the horizon, for a continuing discussion on this subject.
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Post by OldCoyote on Apr 25, 2019 23:07:57 GMT -5
Here is an interesting You Tube video. Maybe you could explain it to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 9:10:05 GMT -5
Here is an interesting You Tube video. Maybe you could explain it to me.
I would guess that if the people on the supposed 'front line' of AGW disaster, don't care or believe the propoganda. How are you going to convince the rest of the highlanders planet wide, that don't believe either. There is always a select audience for every cause. Being vocal doesn't increase the numbers. Most of the world's population indifferently say "why not" until it affects them personally.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 10, 2019 7:50:01 GMT -5
These extreme weather events, could not have happened ,, Cause every one know Global Warming had not been invented yet!
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Post by OldCoyote on May 10, 2019 7:54:48 GMT -5
99.99% of scientist say that because of Global warming the Climate is going to be more extreme than ever,,,
Worser and worser!! How do these same scientist explain one hundred,,, one thousand flood plains, if the weather has never been this extreme?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 18, 2019 10:31:17 GMT -5
I have some questions,
" Increasing strong winds in the region are causing turbulance deep within the sea and as the resulting mixing warn waters from the middle levels with colder waters in the abyss." Causing the the sea temperature to rise, which in turnis a significant contributor to rising sea levels. First question, how does the wind affect the middle an bottom turbulance, without effecting the top levels? Second question, how do you mix colder water with warmer water to get warm water?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 11:24:44 GMT -5
I have some questions,
" Increasing strong winds in the region are causing turbulance deep within the sea and as the resulting mixing warn waters from the middle levels with colder waters in the abyss." Causing the the sea temperature to rise, which in turnis a significant contributor to rising sea levels. First question, how does the wind affect the middle an bottom turbulance, without effecting the top levels? Second question, how do you mix colder water with warmer water to get warm water?
Exactly, the energy level contained remains the same. Even if it is happening to a climate affecting amount, by the surface being warmer. (atmosphere) Warmer surface water will self regulate the total acquisition of energy by the fact it is warmer. Second law of thermodynamics applied. This negates the 'tipping point' argument.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2019 13:18:23 GMT -5
99.99% of scientist say that because of Global warming the Climate is going to be more extreme than ever,,,
Worser and worser!! How do these same scientist explain one hundred,,, one thousand flood plains, if the weather has never been this extreme?
weather can be bad too.
if you think the earth is 6000 years old, much of this stuff can't be explained.
do you?
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 20, 2019 9:59:57 GMT -5
Where can I find that mark on the wall or whatever that shows where the Sea Level was 100 years ago, where it is now?
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