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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 13, 2020 2:27:42 GMT -5
I have been a long time lurker, but I have had enough of OCs troll like behavior on this subject. So I have some serious questions for him. If he can answer them seriously, I would appreciate it. If not, I believe he should get a time out as he adds nothing to this subject. Do you believe in oxygen, as you can’t see that? How about carbon monoxide, odorless and colorless? Ionizing radiation and x rays, as you can’t see it. The germ theory and antibiotics? In fact, any major advance in medicine in the past 50 years, or do you just pray? If you use anything in modern medicine, then you are a hypocrite, as the science on climate change is robust. How about it? when viruses were first postulated, this is precisely what made people skeptical about them.
that was over 100 years ago. I think it is quite disturbing that (some of us) have regressed that far along the time continuum.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2020 10:13:38 GMT -5
Thank you, o feel like I know you all after all these years Welcome. Glad you decided to step from behind the curtain. We look forward to coming to know you.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 13, 2020 10:55:16 GMT -5
I agree DJ. We have a long history of anti- intellectualism in this country. It is rearing its ugly head again. We are also devaluing expertise. The long term consequences are potentially catastrophic, but we appear to be ok with driving over the cliff
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 13, 2020 12:56:47 GMT -5
I agree DJ. We have a long history of anti- intellectualism in this country. It is rearing its ugly head again. We are also devaluing expertise. The long term consequences are potentially catastrophic, but we appear to be ok with driving over the cliff arguably, our faith in science is what Made America Great.
what is MAGA doing?
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 13, 2020 13:08:57 GMT -5
I agree DJ. We have a long history of anti- intellectualism in this country. It is rearing its ugly head again. We are also devaluing expertise. The long term consequences are potentially catastrophic, but we appear to be ok with driving over the cliff arguably, our faith in science is what Made America Great.
what is MAGA doing?
Turning your American Dream into American Night Terrors.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 13, 2020 13:50:43 GMT -5
I agree DJ. We have a long history of anti- intellectualism in this country. It is rearing its ugly head again. We are also devaluing expertise. The long term consequences are potentially catastrophic, but we appear to be ok with driving over the cliff Woke capitalism has a lot to do with this. When supposed science articles end with 'send money', people get skeptical. You mean like tobacco companies funding bogus studies to prove that smoking wasn’t harmful
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 13, 2020 14:07:18 GMT -5
I agree DJ. We have a long history of anti- intellectualism in this country. It is rearing its ugly head again. We are also devaluing expertise. The long term consequences are potentially catastrophic, but we appear to be ok with driving over the cliff Woke capitalism has a lot to do with this. When supposed science articles end with 'send money', people get skeptical. When the ignoramus in chief slashes the science budget again and again, where are the researchers supposed to get their funding?
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Post by tallguy on Feb 13, 2020 14:07:27 GMT -5
Looks like another conspiracy-theorist rag. It can look like anything to the uninformed. Yes, which is why it appears legitimate to you.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 13, 2020 14:12:52 GMT -5
Yes, which is why it appears legitimate to you. Expected response from a trolling twit. Having fun down there ? Much more your milieu than mine. And no, I can't even get that far down. Seriously, though, all you have to do is look at the rest of their articles and links. You don't even have to delve into the findings.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 13, 2020 14:13:39 GMT -5
You mean like tobacco companies funding bogus studies to prove that smoking wasn’t harmful Not at all. Tobacco companies are already quite the lucrative business model. They can legally kill people by addicting their customer base with nicotine. They are well established. Woke capitalism is a bit different, using more recently established climate hysteria, to make a profit I take it you're a degreed pulmonologist ? Welcome ! Yes, triple board certified. You seem like an intelligent person. Given the potential catastrophic possibilities if climate change is real, how can it not make sense to at least start to try to mitigate the damage. Would you tell a smoker with mild COPD to continue smoking because it’s not so bad now and we can’t be sure how bad it will get in the future
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 13, 2020 14:33:26 GMT -5
Yes, triple board certified. You seem like an intelligent person. Given the potential catastrophic possibilities if climate change is real, how can it not make sense to at least start to try to mitigate the damage. Would you tell a smoker with mild COPD to continue smoking because it’s not so bad now and we can’t be sure how bad it will get in the future Climate change is always real. I see nothing wrong with attempting to control emissions, in regards to energy retaining gases in our atmosphere. Even more so for carcinogens. I actually try to tell all smokers, that are in my acquaintance, that it's bad for their general health to continue smoking. My opinion mostly loses out to the strength of nicotine addiction. I do that all day long, you win sometimes. The evidence that we have affected climate is strong. Climate may always change, but we should do our part to minimize our contributions. Just as there are risk factors for heart disease. Some are not changeable such as age, sex, and family history. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t attempt to adjust the ones we can to decrease risk. Same idea for climate change. BTW minimizing risk also means we avoid doing things to put ourselves in harms way such as rebuilding structures that had flooded repeatedly
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 13, 2020 14:34:19 GMT -5
Quote; B ut if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change.
Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but “a colossal scare story.”
Despite fluctuations down as well as up, “the sea is not rising,” he says. “It hasn’t risen in 50 years.” If there is any rise this century it will “not be more than 10cm (four inches), with an uncertainty of plus or minus 10cm”.
And quite apart from examining the hard evidence, he says, the elementary laws of physics (latent heat needed to melt ice) tell us that the apocalypse conjured up by Al Gore and Co “could not possibly come about”.cairnsnews.org/2016/12/30/scary-sea-level-rise-on-sydney-harbour/ " It can look like anything to the uninformed."
Nils Axel Morner can look like an expert to the uninformed.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 13, 2020 16:50:30 GMT -5
The Spectator runs false sea-level claims on its coverThe celebrated debunker of cobblers James Randi challenged Mörner to demonstrate his expertise with a dowsing rod, but he "consistently refused to be tested". He did however, allow his paranormal abilities to be examined on Swedish television, using a test that Mörner himself devised: dowsing for a packet of sugar concealed under one of 10 cups. Needless to say, he failed, blaming, as such people so often do, "interference" and "influences". The Spectator runs false sea-level claims on its cover
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 13, 2020 17:11:19 GMT -5
The Spectator runs false sea-level claims on its coverThe celebrated debunker of cobblers James Randi challenged Mörner to demonstrate his expertise with a dowsing rod, but he "consistently refused to be tested". He did however, allow his paranormal abilities to be examined on Swedish television, using a test that Mörner himself devised: dowsing for a packet of sugar concealed under one of 10 cups. Needless to say, he failed, blaming, as such people so often do, "interference" and "influences". The Spectator runs false sea-level claims on its cover Mörner has been exposed as a charlatan in more ways than one. However, it seems the uninformed didn't get the memo.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 14, 2020 10:04:17 GMT -5
The Spectator runs false sea-level claims on its coverThe celebrated debunker of cobblers James Randi challenged Mörner to demonstrate his expertise with a dowsing rod, but he "consistently refused to be tested". He did however, allow his paranormal abilities to be examined on Swedish television, using a test that Mörner himself devised: dowsing for a packet of sugar concealed under one of 10 cups. Needless to say, he failed, blaming, as such people so often do, "interference" and "influences". The Spectator runs false sea-level claims on its cover You seem to be omitting the other link in your attacks on the first link. NOAA 's near matching sea level measurements. That's why it's there. I'm not really following all this. Did the NOAA say that sea level is not rising? That would be a reversal of their position.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 5, 2020 13:44:52 GMT -5
This winter in Europe was hottest on record by far, say scientists This winter has been by far the hottest recorded in Europe, scientists have announced, with the climate crisis likely to have supercharged the heat. The EU’s Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S) data dates back to 1855. It said the average temperature for December, January and February was 1.4C above the previous winter record, which was set in 2015-16. New regional climate records are usually passed by only a fraction of a degree. Europe’s winter was 3.4C hotter than the average from 1981-2010. The unseasonal heat has led to the failure of the ice-wine harvest in Germany and snow having to be imported for sporting events in Sweden and Russia. In Helsinki, Finland, the average temperature for January and February was more than 6C higher than the 1981-2010 average. In the UK, serious flooding is likely to have been made worse by higher temperatures, as in 2015. www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/05/truly-extreme-winter-2019-20-in-europe-by-far-hottest-on-record
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 18, 2020 18:41:50 GMT -5
Here we are on the 95th anniversary of the biggest, longest, most dangerous tornado in the U.S. history. Which we all know could not have happened ,,, Cause Global Warming had not been invented yet!!
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Post by oped on Mar 18, 2020 18:46:49 GMT -5
Anyone ever see M. Night Shyamalan's The Happening?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 9:31:37 GMT -5
Here we are on the 95th anniversary of the biggest, longest, most dangerous tornado in the U.S. history. Which we all know could not have happened ,,, Cause Global Warming had not been invented yet!! That was just weather/nature. Tornados happen all the time.
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