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Post by Great on Mar 11, 2019 8:56:35 GMT -5
YMAM fact check: This excerpt is a hoax? Satire? Did this actually happen?
I'll keep a look out for the above quote from another source that can verify. It is on record AOC was fear mongering about having kids and the world is going to end in 12 years ...
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 11, 2019 9:11:07 GMT -5
Great must have skipped my posts above her post.
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Post by Great on Mar 11, 2019 9:18:24 GMT -5
Great must have skipped my posts above her post. not so much that I skipped your post. I think you are quicker than I am at posting.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 11, 2019 11:31:29 GMT -5
YMAM fact check: This excerpt is a hoax? Satire? Did this actually happen?
I'll keep a look out for the above quote from another source that can verify. It is on record AOC was fear mongering about having kids and the world is going to end in 12 years ... Ah. OK. The piece sounded too wacky to be true, but I'd also heard about the "world is going to end in 12 years" claim. Hence it appears the Bee is taking Onion-esque creative license with Rep. Cortez' words. Not sure where to put her actual responses on the [pure satire <======> Babylon Bee speaks the truth!] spectrum. Rep. Cortez clearly does believe the world is facing imminent destruction. And scientists have indeed been mispredicting imminent climate-related destruction for over 70 years now. At the same time, I see nothing in her comments that indicates support for forced population control or ecocentrism. I sincerely hope it stays that way. Many ideologues and despots have migrated from "Is it okay to still have children?" to "It isn't OK to still have children." to "You shan't have children." over the years.
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Post by dondub on Mar 11, 2019 11:52:34 GMT -5
I’d be interested in those despots. Especially any one that said “You shan’t have children”. Would you please provide a link?
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Post by Great on Mar 11, 2019 13:16:04 GMT -5
I’d be interested in those despots. Especially any one that said “You shan’t have children”. Would you please provide a link? China has a history that you may want to research
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 11, 2019 13:21:19 GMT -5
I’d be interested in those despots. Especially any one that said “You shan’t have children”. Would you please provide a link? Where's the fun in that? I'll give you some hints for some examples: Personage 1 contemporary example fairly large country involved; you may know it; name starts with a 'C' state implemented an x-child policy, where x is the only real root of f(x) = x3-1 Personage 2 also contemporary, although not as much as personage 1 fairly well known on the Internet first and last initials make a valid 5-point word in Scrabble
fan of forced sterilization
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 11, 2019 13:22:42 GMT -5
Nooooooooooooo, Great. You're giving it away! He has to guess!
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Post by dondub on Mar 11, 2019 13:34:49 GMT -5
Oh geez you two. I already know about China. I wanted the despot that said you shan't. One child is still a shall be able too.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 11, 2019 14:29:45 GMT -5
Oh geez you two. I already know about China. I wanted the despot that said you shan't. One child is still a shall be able too. I didn't say "You shan't have children unconditionally and regardless of who you are".
But, for certain groups, for certain conditions, if a certain exigent necessity crept up... Consider: given the power wielded by personage #1 and personage #2, I'm sure you'll agree it was a good thing--a great thing--they didn't believe the Earth would literally end in 12 years if not for a drastic reduction in consumption. The kind of reduction that could only be brought about by a severe decline in the average standard of living, or... if people weren't too keen on that idea for some reason... possibly... (just thinking out loud here)... a way of ensuring the number of consumers was severely reduced... that didn't involve shooting people in the head and other such unpleasantness. What do you suppose would happen if an individual or group of individuals with 12 years left to save humanity from extinction might do with political power if given the chance? Would it be reasonable for such a group to say, "I know the world is literally going to end if we don't ______, but we can't force the people we govern to comply with _______."? I certainly wouldn't think so. It would be an indictment of their confidence in their beliefs. Either that, or an admission they're content to let everybody on Earth die horribly. Hence we can all be glad personage #1 and personage #2 had goals less lofty than saving Earth in 12 years. And we can only hope that any leader whose goal is to save Earth in 12 years never transitions from "Should you have children?" to "You shan't have children.", which was my original point.
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Post by dondub on Mar 11, 2019 14:31:27 GMT -5
I won't be reading the lengthy verbiage. I took "shan't have children" to mean shan't have children. Can you find me that despot?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 11, 2019 14:32:05 GMT -5
I won't be reading the lengthy verbiage. I took "shan't have children" to mean shan't have children. Can you find me that despot? Example #2. Figure it out on your own. ETA: sorry answers not simple enough. use short words next time. good for < 10 second attention span. use pictures too. you understand. hopefully
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Post by dondub on Mar 11, 2019 14:34:42 GMT -5
No. You made the claim. Have some netiquette.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 11, 2019 18:15:09 GMT -5
Consider: given the power wielded by personage #1 and personage #2, I'm sure you'll agree it was a good thing--a great thing--they didn't believe the Earth would literally end in 12 years if not for a drastic reduction in consumption. The kind of reduction that could only be brought about by a severe decline in the average standard of living, or... if people weren't too keen on that idea for some reason... possibly... (just thinking out loud here)... a way of ensuring the number of consumers was severely reduced... that didn't involve shooting people in the head and other such unpleasantness.
Some people think that a reduction in easy access to single-use plastic straws constitutes a severe decline in the average standard of living.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 11, 2019 19:38:54 GMT -5
Consider: given the power wielded by personage #1 and personage #2, I'm sure you'll agree it was a good thing--a great thing--they didn't believe the Earth would literally end in 12 years if not for a drastic reduction in consumption. The kind of reduction that could only be brought about by a severe decline in the average standard of living, or... if people weren't too keen on that idea for some reason... possibly... (just thinking out loud here)... a way of ensuring the number of consumers was severely reduced... that didn't involve shooting people in the head and other such unpleasantness.Some people think that a reduction in easy access to single-use plastic straws constitutes a severe decline in the average standard of living. Herein lies the real chaos of the climate change saga. Even among the firm believers in AGW, there's still a general understanding and (muted) acknowledgment in the scientific community that climate modeling has a 70+ -year history of failure, and there's no consensus on how hard man needs to push to combat it. The spectrum is broad. Everything from "We'll be 0.2 °C warmer in 200 years if we don't reduce emissions 30%." to "No cars. No planes. No real meat. No 1,200+ sq. ft. houses. No fossil fuels. No pools. No plastics. No fireplaces. ..." to "We're screwed. The point where we could have fixed things is long passed."
As far as I can tell, every 5 years the IPCC sets stock by the models in the "sweet spot" for that period: the ones that predict imminent doom in the not-too-distant future but still allow a narrow window of hope "if humanity acts decisively right now". Of course, any reasonable scientist (and I do believe many climate scientists are reasonable) can't fail to see the illogic in this process, even if few dare criticize it. While most are (I imagine) comfortable with pushing the "AGW is a problem" consensus as far as banning single-use plastic straws, if it comes to something more serious ("tax meat consumption", for example), we're probably going to witness a fracturing of the consensus and an end to government monopsony on climate change research. Then it's the chaos of pure PR warfare. Governments buy one consensus, the producers buy another. Believe what you want.
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Post by dondub on Mar 11, 2019 20:00:08 GMT -5
I won't be reading the lengthy verbiage. I took "shan't have children" to mean shan't have children. Can you find me that despot? Example #2. Figure it out on your own. ETA: sorry answers not simple enough. use short words next time. good for < 10 second attention span. use pictures too. you understand. hopefully No need to be insulting Virgil. I asked a simple question and didn't need to be bombarded with your usual verbiage ad infinitum. Just wanted the name of the despot that said "shan't have children".
I'm sorry that proved so difficult for you.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 11, 2019 21:09:02 GMT -5
Example #2. Figure it out on your own. ETA: sorry answers not simple enough. use short words next time. good for < 10 second attention span. use pictures too. you understand. hopefully No need to be insulting Virgil. I asked a simple question and didn't need to be bombarded with your usual verbiage ad infinitum. Just wanted the name of the despot that said "shan't have children".
I'm sorry that proved so difficult for you.
For Pete's sake. Hitler. Presided over a government that forcibly sterilized some 400,000 people.
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Post by dondub on Mar 11, 2019 22:23:16 GMT -5
Now that wasn’t too difficult was it. Not even 8-10 paragraphs. But why didn’t you mention the country that did it before Hitler?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 12, 2019 6:43:57 GMT -5
Now that wasn’t too difficult was it. Not even 8-10 paragraphs. But why didn’t you mention the country that did it before Hitler? If you're talking about compulsory sterilization specifically, you asked for despots. The US and Canada weren't under despotic rule when they practiced it.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 12, 2019 9:22:24 GMT -5
I DO know several people who go to Mexico for healthcare. They are happy with the care and can simply pay out of pocket. My half sister flew to Germany a couple of years ago for a complicated neck surgery. Her ins would not cover it (“experimental” ) and she did not have the $30k to pay for it. It isn’t considered “experimental” in Germany. She was happy with the care and is very happy with the results The cost was a third of what it would have been here Anedotal evidence. Remember when Americans flocked to Mexico for cancer treatments with Apricot pits. How did that work out for them?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 12, 2019 9:47:15 GMT -5
I was responding to Great's statement that she did not know anyone who went out of the US for healthcare (implying that no one did)
Some good friends as well as a neighbor go south of the border for all their dental work. It is working out very well for them. Thank you for asking.
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Post by Great on Mar 12, 2019 12:08:47 GMT -5
I was responding to Great's statement that she did not know anyone who went out of the US for healthcare (implying that no one did) Some good friends as well as a neighbor go south of the border for all their dental work. It is working out very well for them. Thank you for asking. seriously, maybe you need to go out of the country and get your eyes checked for better reading glasses of course I have heard of people (I don't know personally) that have gone out of the country for surgeries. I've watched the show Botched where some people have come back with some seriously bad results from surgeries done in Mexico. below is a quotes from my post #119
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 12, 2019 12:09:05 GMT -5
I was responding to Great's statement that she did not know anyone who went out of the US for healthcare (implying that no one did) Some good friends as well as a neighbor go south of the border for all their dental work. It is working out very well for them. Thank you for asking. There are a lot of people who go for dental work - specifically dentures and implants. The border towns are filled with dentists (some trained in the USA) that are offering the same service for a lot less money.
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Post by swamp on Mar 12, 2019 13:16:03 GMT -5
I was responding to Great's statement that she did not know anyone who went out of the US for healthcare (implying that no one did) Some good friends as well as a neighbor go south of the border for all their dental work. It is working out very well for them. Thank you for asking. seriously, maybe you need to go out of the country and get your eyes checked for better reading glasses of course I have heard of people (I don't know personally) that have gone out of the country for surgeries. I've watched the show Botched where some people have come back with some seriously bad results from surgeries done in Mexico. below is a quotes from my post #119 I went to Canada for Lasik eye surgery.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 12, 2019 13:23:58 GMT -5
I was responding to Great's statement that she did not know anyone who went out of the US for healthcare (implying that no one did) Some good friends as well as a neighbor go south of the border for all their dental work. It is working out very well for them. Thank you for asking. seriously, maybe you need to go out of the country and get your eyes checked for better reading glasses of course I have heard of people (I don't know personally) that have gone out of the country for surgeries. I've watched the show Botched where some people have come back with some seriously bad results from surgeries done in Mexico. below is a quotes from my post #119 There is nothing wrong with my eyesight... as your post shows. No need to get all snarky.
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