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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 2, 2020 21:45:28 GMT -5
I think Mike is in it for the long run, boy is he plastering the air ways with ads or what!!! Well written ads, Going to hook a lot of people!!
So I'm curious, OC, if Bloomberg ran against Trump, who would you pick? Both are billionaires, but Bloomberg is way more of a billionaire, Trump is maybe only a millionaire. Bloomberg was a GOPer before he became a Dem, Trump was a Dem for years before he became a GOPer. Trump ran a smallish real estate development company, when he wasn't a TV reality show star, Bloomberg ran one of the largest cities in the US, in addition to running his various businesses. They're really similar in a lot of ways. He would you vote for? That's easy, Trump! If Mike was not going to take all my guns, then it would be a lot more difficult to pick.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 2, 2020 22:07:59 GMT -5
So I'm curious, OC, if Bloomberg ran against Trump, who would you pick? Both are billionaires, but Bloomberg is way more of a billionaire, Trump is maybe only a millionaire. Bloomberg was a GOPer before he became a Dem, Trump was a Dem for years before he became a GOPer. Trump ran a smallish real estate development company, when he wasn't a TV reality show star, Bloomberg ran one of the largest cities in the US, in addition to running his various businesses. They're really similar in a lot of ways. He would you vote for? That's easy, Trump! If Mike was not going to take all my guns, then it would be a lot more difficult to pick.
Not seeing where Bloomberg wants to take all your firearms unless all your firearms were illegally bought. Were all your firearms illegally bought? Bloomberg unveils sweeping gun control plan
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Post by dondub on Mar 2, 2020 23:26:47 GMT -5
That’s just OC’s way of reiterating he has been pro-Trump all along. No surprise to me.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 3, 2020 9:58:31 GMT -5
That's easy, Trump! If Mike was not going to take all my guns, then it would be a lot more difficult to pick.
Not seeing where Bloomberg wants to take all your firearms unless all your firearms were illegally bought. Were all your firearms illegally bought? Bloomberg unveils sweeping gun control planAny gun that holds more than three rounds.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 3, 2020 11:26:34 GMT -5
Any gun that holds more than three rounds. Flashback 2012: Bloomberg Pushed Ban on Guns Holding More Than 3 RoundsMcFadden tried to take the hunter’s point of view and Bloomberg interrupted, saying, “So we’re going to argue what ‘a lot’ is? Okay, let’s pick it. Let’s say three. If you haven’t hit the deer with three shots you’re a pretty lousy shot, that deer deserves to get away.” McFadden countered Bloomberg by pointing out that his three shot definition for an “assault weapon” would also include most pistols. Bloomberg responded by arguing that pistols are different because “you have to pull the trigger each time…[but] an “assault weapon” you basically hold it and it goes brr-brr-brr.” McFadden realized that Bloomberg was confusing semiautomatic firearms with machine guns and she interjected, “Those are fully automatic weapons.” Bloomberg paused and said, “Okay.” Bloomberg then transitioned from number of shots to ammunition capacity, suggesting a “big magazine” as the defining characteristic of an “assault weapon.” He said, “If it’s 30 bullets or 20 bullets or 10 bullets before you run out, I would suggest God wants that deer to live.” Flashback 2012: Bloomberg Pushed Ban on Guns Holding More Than 3 Rounds
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Post by Opti on Mar 3, 2020 11:31:08 GMT -5
Buttigieg has suspended his campaign as of tonight. We will be seeing more of him in the future. I agree. I think he dropped out in a timely fashion to stay viable for future opportunities.
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Post by Opti on Mar 3, 2020 11:34:11 GMT -5
There are at least 3 others that need to get out NOW....Mike, Amy & Liz. I want Mike to stay in. He's showing us both how Trump manged to get the nomination in 2016 and also a potential path to defeat Trump. Maybe I should ask him if he needs a VP?
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Post by Opti on Mar 3, 2020 11:41:06 GMT -5
thanks to South Carolina, the odds of a brokered convention have risen to 60% so, as of today, neither Sanders nor Biden will have enough pledged delegates to win outright. this is shaping up a lot like 2016. this really was a gamechanger for Biden, although, truth be told, his numbers started moving shortly after Nevada. Sanders is the most likely to win Super Tuesday, but if Biden can make a better than expected showing, he may challenge him for first place, yet. Very interesting race and probably one to be studied. Sanders always has great support in the primaries, but less so on election day which is in November which seems to be less likely for students and young adults to show up and vote for the win. Voting in primaries is good, but if you don't vote in all of the elections for President, you aren't fully making your voice known in the ballot box. *Pretend whining on* It's rainy I have a big final Uggh we have to plan Thanksgiving My employer won't let me off Compared to crappy weather Feb and beginning of March where we have little to look forward to except surviving until Spring. I'm not surprised its rolling out the way it is, but the Democrats might want to consider how to set up the primaries so they accurately reflect who is going to be there and vote in November. JMO.
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Post by hoops902 on Mar 3, 2020 11:47:12 GMT -5
There are at least 3 others that need to get out NOW....Mike, Amy & Liz. I want Mike to stay in. He's showing us both how Trump manged to get the nomination in 2016 and also a potential path to defeat Trump. Maybe I should ask him if he needs a VP? Bloomberg's problem (as i see it) is that he's a little too Trump-like. You're not going to out-Trump the President at what he does. That's actually what I liked about Klobuchar & Buttegieg, neither seemed interested in having an old-man wrinkled ****-measuring contest with Trump. They were just smart well-spoken moderates. It's a BIT of the problem with Biden when he gets into that mode...he's better than both Trump and Bloomberg, but he often doesn't inspire confidence that he's not just a crazy old man himself (my concern with him is that people will simply stay home, as opposed to specifically voting for Trump over Biden). I look back at Hillary's campaign and note how well she did when she was just a reasonable person...and then she started getting into the mud with Trump and nosedived. You wrestle with a pig and you both get dirty but the pig likes it. We need someone who carries themselves as if they're a mature human being...but they keep dropping out.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 3, 2020 12:01:25 GMT -5
really? it seems like the least mature candidates are already gone.
or are you calling Sanders immature?
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Post by Opti on Mar 3, 2020 12:03:04 GMT -5
I want Mike to stay in. He's showing us both how Trump manged to get the nomination in 2016 and also a potential path to defeat Trump. Maybe I should ask him if he needs a VP? Bloomberg's problem (as i see it) is that he's a little too Trump-like. You're not going to out-Trump the President at what he does. That's actually what I liked about Klobuchar & Buttegieg, neither seemed interested in having an old-man wrinkled ****-measuring contest with Trump. They were just smart well-spoken moderates. It's a BIT of the problem with Biden when he gets into that mode...he's better than both Trump and Bloomberg, but he often doesn't inspire confidence that he's not just a crazy old man himself (my concern with him is that people will simply stay home, as opposed to specifically voting for Trump over Biden). I look back at Hillary's campaign and note how well she did when she was just a reasonable person...and then she started getting into the mud with Trump and nosedived. You wrestle with a pig and you both get dirty but the pig likes it. We need someone who carries themselves as if they're a mature human being...but they keep dropping out. I don't think he's Trump like, but I live here in NJ and in specific the NJ/NYC/CT metro area. Both Trump and Bloomberg are known quantities here. Trump is a toddler, Bloomberg is a man. That said, Bloomberg has risen so high, he doesn't realize that the rest of the country is not NYC or Washington DC centric. On that Chris Christie and I probably agree. NJ is in a unique position here, being between NYC and Philly, powerhouses of the early federal govt. But times have changed and I think NJ and Chicago/Illinois are far more important than someone NYC or DC centric might guess. And there are many important and wonderful parts of the country that sometimes only get remembered during primary season. Its a shame. Its hard striking a balance, because you need to be you, not what some fool voter thinks you should be. In any event, interesting take Hoops. He's not trying to out Trump Trump. He's being Mike. Just like I am being Opti.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 3, 2020 12:15:30 GMT -5
this will likely be a brokered convention, and as of right now, Biden and Sanders have about an equal chance of prevailing.
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Post by hoops902 on Mar 3, 2020 12:20:31 GMT -5
Bloomberg's problem (as i see it) is that he's a little too Trump-like. You're not going to out-Trump the President at what he does. That's actually what I liked about Klobuchar & Buttegieg, neither seemed interested in having an old-man wrinkled ****-measuring contest with Trump. They were just smart well-spoken moderates. It's a BIT of the problem with Biden when he gets into that mode...he's better than both Trump and Bloomberg, but he often doesn't inspire confidence that he's not just a crazy old man himself (my concern with him is that people will simply stay home, as opposed to specifically voting for Trump over Biden). I look back at Hillary's campaign and note how well she did when she was just a reasonable person...and then she started getting into the mud with Trump and nosedived. You wrestle with a pig and you both get dirty but the pig likes it. We need someone who carries themselves as if they're a mature human being...but they keep dropping out. I don't think he's Trump like, but I live here in NJ and in specific the NJ/NYC/CT metro area. Both Trump and Bloomberg are known quantities here. Trump is a toddler, Bloomberg is a man. That said, Bloomberg has risen so high, he doesn't realize that the rest of the country is not NYC or Washington DC centric. On that Chris Christie and I probably agree. NJ is in a unique position here, being between NYC and Philly, powerhouses of the early federal govt. But times have changed and I think NJ and Chicago/Illinois are far more important than someone NYC or DC centric might guess. And there are many important and wonderful parts of the country that sometimes only get remembered during primary season. Its a shame. Its hard striking a balance, because you need to be you, not what some fool voter thinks you should be. In any event, interesting take Hoops. He's not trying to out Trump Trump. He's being Mike. Just like I am being Opti. Honestly, that's scarier to me. If he was just trying to out-Trump Trump, I could chalk that up to a bad political move. If this is who he just actually is...then it's hard to imagine a pivot away. My perception has definitely not been that Bloomberg is a man, that's been my problem with him. He has come off as a 2nd toddler in the sandbox with Trump (I'm most definitely not in the NY metro area, so my exposure to him has been primarily with this primary). That's where the comparison to Biden comes in. Biden seems like a creepy uncle, not all that likeable, and maybe even getting a little senile...but if someone has to drive the car I'm at least wanting to give the keys to an adult...even if he's not the adult I'd prefer. I agree you need to be "you", what I'm hoping for is someone who sees a toddler and says "I'm an adult, it doesn't matter if they throw a tantrum, they're a child" and not screaming at the toddler calling them names back. To this point, Bloomberg moreso than any other Democratic candidate, seems to be the one most interested in engaging the toddler in their tantrum. He's kind of right in my wheelhouse as a moderate Democrat...it's his personality moreso than his politics that give me pause (as opposed to someone like Warren who I think has a good personality/maturity but who I can't vote for due to the politics).
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 3, 2020 13:57:10 GMT -5
We will be seeing more of him in the future. I agree. I think he dropped out in a timely fashion to stay viable for future opportunities. Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Beto all showing up to throw their weight behind Biden looked like an organized effort by the non- Bernie candidates to make sure the don’t fuck around like the GOP did and allow a reality show huckster to walk over the dead bodies to the presidency. Only this time it’s a democratic socialist who might be the unlikely candidate for one of the major parties. We will have to see if it works. Certainly Bloomberg is behaving like a monkey wrench.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 3, 2020 14:04:12 GMT -5
Behind the scenes, the DNC is still calling the shots? looks like it. Poor Bernie.. the DNC is going to go around you again.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 3, 2020 14:13:01 GMT -5
Behind the scenes, the DNC is still calling the shots? looks like it. Poor Bernie.. the DNC is going to go around you again.
Sanders goes around the Democratic Party in his runs for the Senate.
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Post by thyme4change on Mar 3, 2020 14:17:05 GMT -5
Behind the scenes, the DNC is still calling the shots? looks like it. Poor Bernie.. the DNC is going to go around you again.
Maybe he should join the party instead of being an independent who is hijacking the party.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 3, 2020 19:48:08 GMT -5
Behind the scenes, the DNC is still calling the shots? looks like it. Poor Bernie.. the DNC is going to go around you again.
Bernie's far left and the centrists are coordinating in order to funnel the voters to one moderate candidate because they think that's the best chance the party has to win. Too bad the GOPers couldn't get over their infighting in 2016 and come together to funnel their moderate voters to a single normal candidate, so we wouldn't be stuck with the clown car candidate.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 3, 2020 20:59:50 GMT -5
Biden is performing very well in the South.
the early vote from Texas looks quite favorable to Sanders.
it seems like black folks are going for Biden, and Latinos are going for Bernie.
but that is a very superficial analysis.
stay tuned......
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Post by hoops902 on Mar 3, 2020 21:19:58 GMT -5
really? it seems like the least mature candidates are already gone. or are you calling Sanders immature? I think he is super smart, but not necessarily mature. I think his fanaticism precludes a fair bit of maturity. I think his interactions with Trump might be fine...but I think where Biden plays creepy uncle, sanders plays the eccentric uncle a bit. Neither of which I stills the quiet confidence of maturity (imo).
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 3, 2020 21:26:03 GMT -5
Behind the scenes, the DNC is still calling the shots? looks like it. Poor Bernie.. the DNC is going to go around you again.
Maybe he should join the party instead of being an independent who is hijacking the party. ^POTD
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Post by dezii on Mar 3, 2020 21:58:01 GMT -5
Behind the scenes, the DNC is still calling the shots? looks like it. Poor Bernie.. the DNC is going to go around you again.
Bernie's far left and the centrists are coordinating in order to funnel the voters to one moderate candidate because they think that's the best chance the party has to win. Too bad the GOPers couldn't get over their infighting in 2016 and come together to funnel their moderate voters to a single normal candidate, so we wouldn't be stuck with the clown car candidate.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 4, 2020 9:12:34 GMT -5
Biden is performing very well in the South. the early vote from Texas looks quite favorable to Sanders. it seems like black folks are going for Biden, and Latinos are going for Bernie. but that is a very superficial analysis. stay tuned...... The talking heads were all excited about Biden picking up the southern states, but what were the other options? A woman, a Jewish yankee? A socialist Jewish yankee? Keep in mind most of the south dwells in the 1950. Add in that black voters like him due to the Obama connection and he was pretty much the only option.
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Post by spartyparty on Mar 4, 2020 9:32:44 GMT -5
Biden is performing very well in the South. the early vote from Texas looks quite favorable to Sanders. it seems like black folks are going for Biden, and Latinos are going for Bernie. but that is a very superficial analysis. stay tuned...... The talking heads were all excited about Biden picking up the southern states, but what were the other options? A woman, a Jewish yankee? A socialist Jewish yankee? Keep in mind most of the south dwells in the 1950. Add in that black voters like him due to the Obama connection and he was pretty much the only option. That (Obama connection)...and this as well: www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/03/opinion/why-black-voters-support-joe-biden/“I like [Warren and Sanders], but I don’t see them winning, because I think they’re too progressive for a lot of white people in his country,” said Marsha, a jewelry maker who offered political analysis along with her deft recommendations for good barbecue joints in Charleston. “I don’t think white people generally vote in a way that will benefit them if it also benefits Black people.” Think of all the white people covered by Obama’s Affordable Care Act who still voted for the man trying to dismantle it. And they’ll likely do it again. Biden, Marsha believed, could move the country forward, but at a rate that wouldn’t make white people feel as if their privilege was being threatened. “They’re used to being the top rail,” Marsha said. “White people who say they’re progressive are usually more invested in keeping things exactly the way they are.”
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Post by cktc on Mar 4, 2020 11:07:35 GMT -5
At this point I'd love to see a Biden-Sanders, or Sanders-Biden ticket. I know they are not ideologically aligned, but both draw different voters and it would show a united party that is open to change.
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Post by spartyparty on Mar 4, 2020 11:10:37 GMT -5
At this point I'd love to see a Biden-Sanders, or Sanders-Biden ticket. I know they are not ideologically aligned, but both draw different voters and it would show a united party that is open to change. Too bad Sanders wasn't 5-10 years younger...a Biden-Sanders ticket would be a guaranteed victory.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 4, 2020 11:25:58 GMT -5
Doesn't it bother you about the contant gaffs that Biden does?? Last week he was running for the Senate!! Now he has to hide behind a woman's skirt!!
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 4, 2020 11:28:07 GMT -5
Doesn't it bother you about the contant gaffs that Biden does?? Last week he was running for the Senate!! Now he has to hide behind a woman's skirt!!
Doesn't it bother you about the contant [SIC] gaffs that trump does??
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Post by souldoubt on Mar 4, 2020 11:31:29 GMT -5
I'd rather see a younger VP candidate that can hopefully take the reigns of the party going forward and unite it while putting forth a message that appeals to moderates. Bernie and his ilk can form their own party instead of trying to latch on to the D ticket to get elected which backfired in 2016 and could again in 2020 if Sanders supporters don't vote or vote against Biden.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 4, 2020 11:34:20 GMT -5
Doesn't it bother you about the contant gaffs that Biden does?? Last week he was running for the Senate!! Now he has to hide behind a woman's skirt!!
A man who is surrounded by strong women willing to jump into action does not bother me. And yes, his verbal gaffes is a concern to me.
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