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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 9, 2020 15:17:17 GMT -5
NOTE: the third tier candidate are not competitive in NH with the possible exception of Klobushar. she is also coming up, but still significantly behind Biden, and probably not doing well enough to make a lasting impression. if it continues going the way it has for those third tier candidates, I expect some or all of them to drop out with the exception of the billionaires.
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Post by pooks on Feb 12, 2020 14:46:32 GMT -5
I am excited about Klobuchar. I have liked her the whole time, but she didn't seem viable. Hopefully she can make something out of the good NH showing and Biden imploding.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 12, 2020 17:59:12 GMT -5
I am excited about Klobuchar. I have liked her the whole time, but she didn't seem viable. Hopefully she can make something out of the good NH showing and Biden imploding. I like her too. and I am also surprised.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 12, 2020 19:12:15 GMT -5
I like Klobachar better than Warren or Biden, purely for having to listen to them talk for 4 years. I also like Klobachar's ideas. She can probably get something done (if Mitch McConnell gets the boot.)
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Post by pooks on Feb 12, 2020 21:41:29 GMT -5
I am excited about Klobuchar. I have liked her the whole time, but she didn't seem viable. Hopefully she can make something out of the good NH showing and Biden imploding. I like her too. and I am also surprised. On a sour note, my daughter comes home from school today and tells me that in the last 50 years, there hasn't been a person who did not place 1st or 2nd in Iowa or NH, who has gotten either nomination.
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Post by kadee79 on Feb 12, 2020 23:20:44 GMT -5
I like her too. and I am also surprised. On a sour note, my daughter comes home from school today and tells me that in the last 50 years, there hasn't been a person who did not place 1st or 2nd in Iowa or NH, who has gotten either nomination. Sounds like it's time to break that tradition. ETA....I don't like her...just something about her that really puts me off.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 13, 2020 2:22:06 GMT -5
I like her too. and I am also surprised. On a sour note, my daughter comes home from school today and tells me that in the last 50 years, there hasn't been a person who did not place 1st or 2nd in Iowa or NH, who has gotten either nomination. that is true, but it has also been 50 years since either party had a brokered convention, and this year looks like it has an above average chance at that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 13, 2020 4:40:46 GMT -5
the polling has shifted dramatically in the last week.
Sanders has come out on top in four of the last five national polls. he now leads the pack narrowly. Biden is still in 2nd, but has lost 10% in the last 2 weeks, and appears to be in a death spiral. Warren is also slipping and is now in 4th.
the real surprise to me is Bloomberg, who I figured had ZERO chance. he is now in 3rd, and rallying quickly, but he still trails Sanders by 9%. it will be tough for him to make up that ground by Super Tuesday, but it is Possible.
Mayor Pete is bringing up the rear with 11% nationally, but the attention he is going to get from his front runner standing (he is leading on the delegate count) might bump him up to the top tier.
my personal feeling is that Warren and Biden are toast. they might recover, but there is no sign of it.
so, this race will probably come down to Sanders, Bloomberg, and POSSIBLY Mayor Pete and Klobuschar, though the latter is only polling at 5% nationally.
we really need new polling to see where things are TODAY, but we will have to wait a few days......
stay tuned.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 13, 2020 8:57:50 GMT -5
My 81 year old dad told me yesterday that he likes "the Senator from Minnesota*" and Mayor Pete. I don't think he's holding out any hope that they will get the nomination though.
*I'm fairly certain he can't pronounce 'Klobuchar' right now.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 13, 2020 12:55:27 GMT -5
I like her too. and I am also surprised. On a sour note, my daughter comes home from school today and tells me that in the last 50 years, there hasn't been a person who did not place 1st or 2nd in Iowa or NH, who has gotten either nomination. Presidential politics is no longer traditional, or normal. So, why should the nominating process show any signs of stagnation.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 18, 2020 13:12:06 GMT -5
this thing may be all but over this weekend.
if Biden doesn't finish second, I think he is done. even if he does, he might be done.
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Post by iono1 on Feb 18, 2020 19:24:41 GMT -5
Bernie logic: You are allowed to run but you shouldn't be able to spend your own money to buy an election. You need to buy an election using OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. Please contribute to me so I can spend your money at BernieSanders.com .
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 18, 2020 19:30:52 GMT -5
My Guess is Bloomberg.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 19, 2020 0:10:40 GMT -5
Bernie logic: You are allowed to run but you shouldn't be able to spend your own money to buy an election. You need to buy an election using OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. Please contribute to me so I can spend your money at BernieSanders.com . all government works that way.
he is running like he will govern.
i am not sure what the problem is with that.
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Post by dondub on Feb 19, 2020 0:31:13 GMT -5
Bernie logic: You are allowed to run but you shouldn't be able to spend your own money to buy an election. You need to buy an election using OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. Please contribute to me so I can spend your money at BernieSanders.com . WHOOSH!
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Post by bean29 on Feb 20, 2020 11:06:28 GMT -5
My 81 year old dad told me yesterday that he likes "the Senator from Minnesota*" and Mayor Pete. I don't think he's holding out any hope that they will get the nomination though.
*I'm fairly certain he can't pronounce 'Klobuchar' right now.
Pete really rattled Amy Klobuchar last night, but I thought she did very well. As far as her not knowing the name of the President of Mexico, I kept thinking I should know it too, but I don't - I didn't say anything to DH but after Warren Defended her, DH said under his breath, I did not know his name either. I was really surprised - my DH can spout Mexican and Mexican American History off the top of his head - I really thought he would know the answer to that off the top of his head.
My favorites are Amy and Pete. I wanted to watch last night b/c I wanted to form an opinion about Bloomburg. He is about last on my list imho.
My list is Amy, Pete, Elizabeth, Bernie, then Mr. B. but I am anybody but Trump. Elizabeth has moved her Healthcare position - I guess I should review where each of them are at right now. The one thing I am certain of is the Status Quo is not a solution, and what we have now is not adequate. We need to put price controls on Medications, and we need to bring our cost of healthcare more in line with what other counties pay.
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 20, 2020 13:40:27 GMT -5
You can all save your breath.
Come Nov. it will be the battle of the New York Billionaires!
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Post by dezii on Feb 20, 2020 16:24:00 GMT -5
You can all save your breath.
Come Nov. it will be the battle of the New York Billionaires!
What I am getting from these debates and arguments of , IMHO, pseudo Intellects who are arguing the meniscuses of their candidates differences over another...which would be fine in a normal election year, which this one isn't ..is that these folks have no clue as to what is really important here...That is the failure of the Donalds campaign for a second term... The only thing that is of importance.Considering his base, the Donalds, which is so solidly behind him...his campaign war chest..his support by the GOP , the strength of being a incumbent..."Air Force One" to unseat him is going to be a uphill fight...All the strength lies with him... All this infighting going on with the Dem candidates is nuts and what is needed is one of those old time cigar smoking party bosses from the past to body slap some sense into those who are causing the divides in the ranks of the candidates.. All I am interested in is who is the strongest one to go against the Donald and has the best chance of defeating him... If it's Bloomberg with his $400 Billion net worth...and his three years of Mayor of the city of NY, and if some programs in those three terms didn't work out, "stop and Frisk", "to large soft drink containers", employees signing non disclosures..{though It seems very well compensated for}, so be it... IMHO, the only important thing is the defeat of Donald Trump for so many reasons and it seems these sudo intellectuals just don't get it...their petty quarrels mean nothing... they need to be taken behind the barn and as said...have their butts wacked...males and females.
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Post by dezii on Feb 20, 2020 16:52:37 GMT -5
Yes it will ! It will be 'No Problem' when it's a Democrat buying the election, lol. Stop and Frisk for the whole country. It seems the Donalds War Chest is over $100 million and counting , so I am sure he will not be at a disadvantage if Bloomberg is his opponent... Personally I can understand the use of "Stop and Frisk" in certain areas..also profiling too..Problem seemed to be that not all officers doing and useing these tools, did so correctly , and abused their implantation of them....It seemed those being set upon by gangs , for the most part , were those of color. The killing too of young people of color were being done by other young men of color..{gangs against other gangs or just other young people , reason to earn their colors} ================================= "WASHINGTON—President Trump’s re-election campaign said Thursday that its war chest stood at more than $100 million headed into the 2020 election year, after raising $46 million in the final three months of 2019." ================================= www.wsj.com/articles/trump-campaignraised-46-million-infourth-quarter-11577970640
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 20, 2020 17:12:20 GMT -5
Yes it will ! It will be 'No Problem' when it's a Democrat buying the election, lol. Stop and Frisk for the whole country. Bloomberg is a 1:6 longshot.
but Bloomer only frisks brown people. you know that.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 20, 2020 17:22:01 GMT -5
Trump calls for nationwide 'stop-and-frisk' policy
By LOUIS NELSON 09/21/2016 Donald Trump on Wednesday called for the controversial “stop-and-frisk” policing practice to be instituted nationwide as a means of combating violent crime in America’s inner cities. In a pre-taped interview on Fox News scheduled to air Wednesday night, Trump was asked by an audience member what he would do to address “violence in the black community” and “black-on-black crime.” Trump responded by proposing that “stop-and-frisk” policing, in which an officer is empowered to stop an individual and frisk them for weapons or any other illegal contraband, be adopted nationwide. “I would do stop-and-frisk. I think you have to. We did it in New York, it worked incredibly well and you have to be proactive and, you know, you really help people sort of change their mind automatically,” Trump told the questioner. “You understand, you have to have, in my opinion, I see what’s going on here, I see what’s going on in Chicago, I think stop-and-frisk. In New York City it was so incredible, the way it worked. Now, we had a very good mayor, but New York City was incredible, the way that worked, so I think that could be one step you could do.” Complete article here: Trump calls for nationwide 'stop-and-frisk' policy
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Post by OldCoyote on Feb 20, 2020 23:15:09 GMT -5
Yes it will ! It will be 'No Problem' when it's a Democrat buying the election, lol. Stop and Frisk for the whole country. Bloomberg is a 1:6 longshot.
but Bloomer only frisks brown people. you know that.
What was Trump at this far along in the primaries 2016?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 20, 2020 23:58:27 GMT -5
Trump calls for nationwide 'stop-and-frisk' policy
By LOUIS NELSON 09/21/2016 Donald Trump on Wednesday called for the controversial “stop-and-frisk” policing practice to be instituted nationwide as a means of combating violent crime in America’s inner cities. In a pre-taped interview on Fox News scheduled to air Wednesday night, Trump was asked by an audience member what he would do to address “violence in the black community” and “black-on-black crime.” Trump responded by proposing that “stop-and-frisk” policing, in which an officer is empowered to stop an individual and frisk them for weapons or any other illegal contraband, be adopted nationwide. “I would do stop-and-frisk. I think you have to. We did it in New York, it worked incredibly well and you have to be proactive and, you know, you really help people sort of change their mind automatically,” Trump told the questioner. “You understand, you have to have, in my opinion, I see what’s going on here, I see what’s going on in Chicago, I think stop-and-frisk. In New York City it was so incredible, the way it worked. Now, we had a very good mayor, but New York City was incredible, the way that worked, so I think that could be one step you could do.” Complete article here: Trump calls for nationwide 'stop-and-frisk' policy it would also work really well to simply put all poor people in prison, without trial, and without any frisking.
clearly, he has no sense of the difference between things that "work" and things that are "right".
fortunately, at least half the population does. we will see if they stupidly vote for him in 2020.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 21, 2020 0:12:58 GMT -5
538 is now saying that a brokered convention is the most likely outcome. no other candidate has a real chance of winning outright as of this date other than Sanders.
Sanders also appears to have a lock in Nevada, and is creeping up on Joe in most simulations in SC.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 21, 2020 9:11:51 GMT -5
I saw a headline this morning that said Wisconsin is likely to go to Trump and Michigan is not. I don't remember where and I didn't read the article, so it may have been at WaPo, since they have a paywall.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 21, 2020 12:46:29 GMT -5
I heard a pundit say "Every election, every party who has a real primary, the party looks foolish until it is over." I thought both parties looked pretty foolish in 2016, and now the Dems look foolish. So, I'm just waiting until it is all sorted out and we can move forward.
We have 2 potential Trumpian influences in the Dem field right now. Bernie is not a democrat, he is extreme and his supporters are fierce. If Bernie gets the nomination, will he rule the Dems with an iron fist like Trump does, or will the party split into factions? Bloomberg is kinda an outsider, but has used his money to force candidates to his positions on pet issues. He is like if one of the Koch's decided to run. He can use his power and wealth to force the Dems to look like whatever he wants them to. He isn't above getting personal and dirty. Bloomberg as a super pac could fight the Republican organizations, but as President, I'm worried. I don't like either of these two, as I believe they will perpetuate the power issues I am having with the current administration. Of course, their positions wouldn't be so offensive to me, so I would rather have either of them v Trump. But, in a perfect world, I'd take pretty much any of the others over these two.
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Post by dezii on Feb 21, 2020 16:03:40 GMT -5
It seems the Donalds War Chest is over $100 million and counting , so I am sure he will not be at a disadvantage if Bloomberg is his opponent... Personally I can understand the use of "Stop and Frisk" in certain areas..also profiling too..Problem seemed to be that not all officers doing and useing these tools, did so correctly , and abused their implantation of them....It seemed those being set upon by gangs , for the most part , were those of color. The killing too of young people of color were being done by other young men of color..{gangs against other gangs or just other young people , reason to earn their colors} ================================= "WASHINGTON—President Trump’s re-election campaign said Thursday that its war chest stood at more than $100 million headed into the 2020 election year, after raising $46 million in the final three months of 2019." ================================= www.wsj.com/articles/trump-campaignraised-46-million-infourth-quarter-11577970640Doesn't sit well with your "illegals are OK" stance. I'm guessing that the profiling you consider "OK" won't be in sanctuary cities ? Have I said illegals are ok? Actually if they are real criminals, real seriouse crimes...ok to incarcerate them and when time served , ok with me to be deported... However, if the crime is their illegality because they are here illegally or they have traffic violations and such, thus should be deported...not ok by me. There have been too many deported , thinking a restaurateurs in Simsbury, Ct...here for years..excellent restaurant, employer, big on charities and volunteering etc...was deported even though hundreds came forth to ask gov't to not deport...those types, to me make no sense... Never been one to get up tite about illegals..As I have said here before, my next door neighbor is here illegally...Here for decades works for a relative...great guy, has my key for emergencies, I have his...no, not telling u all my address..LOL
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 22, 2020 11:34:08 GMT -5
Yes it will ! It will be 'No Problem' when it's a Democrat buying the election, lol. Stop and Frisk for the whole country. It seems the Donalds War Chest is over $100 million and counting , so I am sure he will not be at a disadvantage if Bloomberg is his opponent... If Bloomberg spends 10x that, he still has 50 billion left. If Bloomberg doesn't get the nomination, he will still work to elect whoever goes against Trump.
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