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Post by thyme4change on Feb 14, 2019 9:29:29 GMT -5
Woo hoo. I can minimally retire.
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Post by swamp on Feb 14, 2019 10:51:38 GMT -5
It appears that NYS consists solely of NYC.
I need 1.6 million. If you count my house, we're already there.
I'm quitting now.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 14, 2019 17:48:56 GMT -5
I didn't address how much I needed to have saved earlier: $1,746,356 and I'll have an annual COL of $69,834? I will have to adjust my after retirement life to get there I guess since I currently spend just under $30k/yr (paid off home and Prop 13 help a lot since they put in ~$34.6k/yr on housing alone).
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Post by dancinmama on Feb 14, 2019 22:37:12 GMT -5
In NV we will need to save $1,366,121 @ an estimated cost of $55K/yr. We surpass that with DH's pension and our SS. We also have more than the required amount needed saved in DH's 401k. They say housing costs $18,551/yr. in NV; I actually think it is more than that in our area if you're renting or carrying a mortgage.
At the very least, articles like this give you a WAG ballpark which is better than no info at all.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Feb 15, 2019 0:05:47 GMT -5
According to the estimate, we need $1.7 million to retire. We're in California. We don't have anywhere near that in retirement savings. Not even close. But our house is paid for. Our cars are paid for. We have no debt. We have no kids. My wonderful DH and I will both be on Tricare for retirees, so health insurance will be covered for a reasonable cost. His military pension should start at about $6,500 per month. We've both qualified for social security and Medicare. He's had all the traveling he's ever wanted to do. We're 10+ years out from him stopping to work, and we do have more time to build up our savings for retirement. I don't think I'll panic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 8:38:12 GMT -5
According to the estimate, we need $1.7 million to retire. We're in California. We don't have anywhere near that in retirement savings. Not even close. But our house is paid for. Our cars are paid for. We have no debt. We have no kids. My wonderful DH and I will both be on Tricare for retirees, so health insurance will be covered for a reasonable cost. His military pension should start at about $6,500 per month. We've both qualified for social security and Medicare. He's had all the traveling he's ever wanted to do. We're 10+ years out from him stopping to work, and we do have more time to build up our savings for retirement. I don't think I'll panic. A $6500/month pension is equivalent to 2.6 Million in savings.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Feb 15, 2019 12:14:59 GMT -5
I was going to say, if you have good pensions you can save way less. That's what happened with us no pensions, well unless you consider $300 a month hubs has. We knew what we needed or pretty close. But hubs under estimated expenses. I still laugh, he said oh I will save the RMD's when we get them, we aren't spending those. I told him before retirement, you are kidding yourself, we are going to need those and more to maintain the standard of living we have. It took him 3 years to see it. I finally got his attention after we spent so much on sons house. We are fine but would have been better, LOL!
And I'm just now 3 years later getting our budget sorted out. But the poor folks that are saving nothing and living paycheck to paycheck. We are either going to have to provide massive amounts of free or subsidized housing, cut their medicare premiums or something, or we are going to have ghettos of old people all over.
When you read over 40% of the people can't come up with $400, that is amazing to me. But I do understand they are making no money.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 20, 2019 23:14:50 GMT -5
So, basically they're telling us that most of us will never retire. Nice. Why worry. The democrats got you covered! neither party is even TRYING to work on this issue.
least of all Republicans.
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Post by hurley1980 on Feb 21, 2019 18:08:28 GMT -5
I'm 38, and on a pretty good track to retiring at 67 with $1-2 mil. But I know so many people my age that have nothing at all saved for retirement, own nothing of value, have no assets, etc. These people are going to be so screwed when they are old. I feel like I am really behind in savings when I read about others in here my age and what they have saved, but then I worry less when I talk to some of my friends....like my buddy that has cashed all the equity out of his house, has no retirement, and is 10k in cc debt at almost 40. He's planning on an inheritance....hope that goes well for him!
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 22, 2019 5:33:58 GMT -5
Of course you realize that being ants will force you to pay for the grasshoppers.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 22, 2019 8:39:18 GMT -5
Uh huh, because everywhere in NYS is as expensive as NYC. And nobody has any other sources of income, like SS, or pensions. or everyone in CA spends ~$34k for housing every year. For home owners Prop 13 takes care of that. Heck I don't even spend anything close to that amount in total annually and I live in the most expensive area of CA It's also assuming you'll have to pay a monthly mortgage/rent in retirement.
Our house is paid off, and we're wanting to move to downsize the yard work, but we'll make sure we don't have to pay a mortgage or rent in retirement, just taxes and upkeep, so that impacts the total amount we'll need.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 22, 2019 8:46:55 GMT -5
I'm 42 and SS is telling me to expect 70% of expected benefit. I'm imagining when I actually qualify, it will be 50%. I don't know that 12K/year is enough to make a huge difference in a standard of living, given what inflation will be 20-40 years down the road. That won't even be enough to cover my retiree health insurance through work, actually.
I'm also still holding my breath with my pensions. Republican lawmakers have been toying with getting rid of our pensions for the last 6 years. Paying for studies to be done and what not. The *only* reason why I'm feeling more secure about that is we have a democrat in office, and he can't be voted out for 4 years. That will put me at close to 10 years before qualifying for my pension. When lawmakers decide that our state really needs good roads, and they cant fund pensions and roads, I'm hoping by then I'll be close/old enough to be grandfathered into any new system. Private sector pensions aren't always a sure thing, either. Even without the kids, I'm betting that our retirement spending will likely go up..at least for the first years.. We've been putting off work on the house except for needs like replacing leaking water heaters, new window treatments (ours will be 40ish years old by the time we replace), new furniture (though, I'll admit it's not a need to replace some of our college furniture when we are 60). I'm also spending like $50 a year on my hobbies. I anticipate that will also go back up. DH's hobby spending is the same. We aren't traveling as much now, because of the kids' schedule. I'm sure that will go up. And we'll still have a minimally a 12K/year health insurance bill. This also doesn't take into account what we'll need to spend on health care. If I need longer term care, I want one of those nice facilities, not a gov't run nursing home. Unfortunately, neither DH nor I come from good stock where everyone is completely healthy until their 90s and then they just die nicely in their sleep. There's histories of heart issues, cancer, etc.
See, and I don't want all my money spent on Nursing home care. I'd rather they kill me off and take whatever $$ I have left.
I guess they have no way to know how much SS people will qualify for, so they can't add it to the projections. I think we will make it even if I don't add any $$, but I will be adding to my investments every year. We also have two "investment" properties, and the business which should generate about $200,000 or more...but I don't like to add that to my numbers b/c if my kids want to take over it makes getting access to the $$ difficult.
Same here. Both my mom and dad had memory issues. Mom was able to keep dad at home, but when she could no longer live on her own, we found a nice assisted living facility for her. Five years later, when she passed away, she had almost nothing left, and I can remember, all through childhood, how she kept talking about how she wanted to leave something for for her kids, so I know that would have bothered her.
Worse than that, she became angry, incontinent, unable to walk, barely able to stand, and unable to do any of the hobbies she loved to do throughout her life, like knit or do crosswords. She didn't recognize anyone, at the end (or rather, she thought she was living with her sisters and parents - all dead at that point). Mom would have been mortified at having someone have to wipe her ass for her, when she made a mess, or pick her up to move her from her bed to her wheelchair.
Watching both my parents go through that caused me to create my own retirement plan - a bullet through the brain before all my mental functions fail, and let my DS and his family inherit what's left of my nest egg.
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Post by resolution on Feb 22, 2019 9:10:54 GMT -5
There is an assisted suicide bill up before the Maryland legislature, that I am hoping will pass this year. My church sent a busload of people there to protest the bill, but that is one area where I am at odds with my church. If something like this passes I won't have to make a trip to Oregon someday (hopefully a long time from now), which is my current plan.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 22, 2019 10:55:26 GMT -5
Of course you realize that being ants will force you to pay for the grasshoppers. Yes. And my life and standard of living will still be way better than theirs. And it's quite possible that having the grasshoppers have a slightly better standard of living than they would without any help - will actually impact my standard of living by keeping it higher and nicer.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 22, 2019 11:07:11 GMT -5
See, and I don't want all my money spent on Nursing home care. I'd rather they kill me off and take whatever $$ I have left.
I guess they have no way to know how much SS people will qualify for, so they can't add it to the projections. I think we will make it even if I don't add any $$, but I will be adding to my investments every year. We also have two "investment" properties, and the business which should generate about $200,000 or more...but I don't like to add that to my numbers b/c if my kids want to take over it makes getting access to the $$ difficult.
Same here. Both my mom and dad had memory issues. Mom was able to keep dad at home, but when she could no longer live on her own, we found a nice assisted living facility for her. Five years later, when she passed away, she had almost nothing left, and I can remember, all through childhood, how she kept talking about how she wanted to leave something for for her kids, so I know that would have bothered her.
Worse than that, she became angry, incontinent, unable to walk, barely able to stand, and unable to do any of the hobbies she loved to do throughout her life, like knit or do crosswords. She didn't recognize anyone, at the end (or rather, she thought she was living with her sisters and parents - all dead at that point). Mom would have been mortified at having someone have to wipe her ass for her, when she made a mess, or pick her up to move her from her bed to her wheelchair.
Watching both my parents go through that caused me to create my own retirement plan - a bullet through the brain before all my mental functions fail, and let my DS and his family inherit what's left of my nest egg.
I would imagine the trick will be how to know when your mental functions are starting to fail. I think it's often a slow creep - what if you don't notice? Will you hand off the responsibility to someone else?
I suspect Maude (as in the movie Harold and Maude) had the right idea by picking an age (down to the date) when she would end her life. Or for a more current reference - I'm pretty sure one of the Star Trek shows (NG?) had an episode dealing with a culture where a person's last "milestone" was to die (assisted suicide) at a set age (I wanna say something like 80yo...) if they hadn't died naturally by that time. It was a celebrated event for the person (and their family/friends). The Star Trek crew were distressed (and of course tried to change the outcome) by this custom as a spry, happy, socially active, healthy 80yo was going thru the prep and pomp and circumstance leading up to their Death Day. I wish I could find the episode.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 22, 2019 11:10:18 GMT -5
I remember that episode.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 22, 2019 11:40:42 GMT -5
Same here. Both my mom and dad had memory issues. Mom was able to keep dad at home, but when she could no longer live on her own, we found a nice assisted living facility for her. Five years later, when she passed away, she had almost nothing left, and I can remember, all through childhood, how she kept talking about how she wanted to leave something for for her kids, so I know that would have bothered her.
Worse than that, she became angry, incontinent, unable to walk, barely able to stand, and unable to do any of the hobbies she loved to do throughout her life, like knit or do crosswords. She didn't recognize anyone, at the end (or rather, she thought she was living with her sisters and parents - all dead at that point). Mom would have been mortified at having someone have to wipe her ass for her, when she made a mess, or pick her up to move her from her bed to her wheelchair.
Watching both my parents go through that caused me to create my own retirement plan - a bullet through the brain before all my mental functions fail, and let my DS and his family inherit what's left of my nest egg.
I would imagine the trick will be how to know when your mental functions are starting to fail. I think it's often a slow creep - what if you don't notice? Will you hand off the responsibility to someone else?
I suspect Maude (as in the movie Harold and Maude) had the right idea by picking an age (down to the date) when she would end her life. Or for a more current reference - I'm pretty sure one of the Star Trek shows (NG?) had an episode dealing with a culture where a person's last "milestone" was to die (assisted suicide) at a set age (I wanna say something like 80yo...) if they hadn't died naturally by that time. It was a celebrated event for the person (and their family/friends). The Star Trek crew were distressed (and of course tried to change the outcome) by this custom as a spry, happy, socially active, healthy 80yo was going thru the prep and pomp and circumstance leading up to their Death Day. I wish I could find the episode.
That's the key - would I notice in time. When my mom was deep in the throws of dementia, she insisted that there was nothing at all wrong with her memory, and would get furious if someone said contradicted her when she claimed it was breakfast time (at dinner time) or July (when it was March). I haven't completely figured out how to judge this.
I've made my DH promise, if I stop making sense, (or if there is a zombie apocalypse) to hit me in the back of the head with a shovel, then shove me onto a tarp and drag my corpse down the road to a little pond, where he will weight my corpse down with rocks and shove me in, where I can be food for the turtles. I made DS promise this, as well - but I suspect both would weenie out, if it came to it.
I've considered a 'due by date' - 80 seems to be the mental expiration date in my family.
DH is fortunate, both his parents remained very sharp. His mom is 87, still lives by herself, looks to be about 70, and just had a doctor tell her she can easily live to her 90's. His dad passed away around 80 from emphysema, but was mentally clear until that happened (smoker). So genetically, DH has better odds than I do. All my mom's brothers and sisters had some degree of dementia before they passed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 11:58:41 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Basically, with the caveat that I need to launch the kids first, I'm pretty much ready to check out already, so I'm wondering why I'm killing myself to make sure I have enough money to last me until 100 or more? Maybe it would be smarter to figure out how long I could make it on what I have and when it's gone, I'm done.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 22, 2019 12:05:42 GMT -5
Same here. Both my mom and dad had memory issues. Mom was able to keep dad at home, but when she could no longer live on her own, we found a nice assisted living facility for her. Five years later, when she passed away, she had almost nothing left, and I can remember, all through childhood, how she kept talking about how she wanted to leave something for for her kids, so I know that would have bothered her.
Worse than that, she became angry, incontinent, unable to walk, barely able to stand, and unable to do any of the hobbies she loved to do throughout her life, like knit or do crosswords. She didn't recognize anyone, at the end (or rather, she thought she was living with her sisters and parents - all dead at that point). Mom would have been mortified at having someone have to wipe her ass for her, when she made a mess, or pick her up to move her from her bed to her wheelchair.
Watching both my parents go through that caused me to create my own retirement plan - a bullet through the brain before all my mental functions fail, and let my DS and his family inherit what's left of my nest egg.
I would imagine the trick will be how to know when your mental functions are starting to fail. I think it's often a slow creep - what if you don't notice? Will you hand off the responsibility to someone else?
I suspect Maude (as in the movie Harold and Maude) had the right idea by picking an age (down to the date) when she would end her life. Or for a more current reference - I'm pretty sure one of the Star Trek shows (NG?) had an episode dealing with a culture where a person's last "milestone" was to die (assisted suicide) at a set age (I wanna say something like 80yo...) if they hadn't died naturally by that time. It was a celebrated event for the person (and their family/friends). The Star Trek crew were distressed (and of course tried to change the outcome) by this custom as a spry, happy, socially active, healthy 80yo was going thru the prep and pomp and circumstance leading up to their Death Day. I wish I could find the episode.
Season 4, Episode 22 of Star Trek: The Next Generation Half a Life
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Post by Tiny on Feb 22, 2019 12:10:22 GMT -5
There's also the option from the movie Little Miss Sunshine - where the grandfather has taken up a heroin habit - because what better time to take on a destructive habit than when you are old and running on limited time? I'm not sure what the life expectancy is for drug users... but I suspect if you are already old and take it up - it doesn't add to your longevity. I believe the Grandfather's reasoning was why not enjoy the high (and what did it matter if it killed you??)
I'm not particularly fond of this plan... but it is a sort of "I've picked an end date and I'm working towards it" kind of vibe.
What book(s) are the suicide booths from? (beyond Soylent Green? There were others.... )
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Post by gs11rmb on Feb 22, 2019 12:22:05 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Basically, with the caveat that I need to launch the kids first, I'm pretty much ready to check out already, so I'm wondering why I'm killing myself to make sure I have enough money to last me until 100 or more? Maybe it would be smarter to figure out how long I could make it on what I have and when it's gone, I'm done. Because I think (as a woman who took one psychology class in 1991) that you have been under an incredible amount of stress for a number of years. Once your kids are launched and you are closing in on retirement you might actually have the opportunity to relax and enjoy your life. I know EX2.0 is always going to be a thorn in your side but, fingers crossed, a decade from now Carrot will be off to college somewhere, and your interactions with him will be almost nonexistent. You'll have time to take care of your own needs and not just those of your children.
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Post by chapeau on Feb 22, 2019 13:22:02 GMT -5
There's also the option from the movie Little Miss Sunshine - where the grandfather has taken up a heroin habit - because what better time to take on a destructive habit than when you are old and running on limited time? I'm not sure what the life expectancy is for drug users... but I suspect if you are already old and take it up - it doesn't add to your longevity. I believe the Grandfather's reasoning was why not enjoy the high (and what did it matter if it killed you??) I'm not particularly fond of this plan... but it is a sort of "I've picked an end date and I'm working towards it" kind of vibe. What book(s) are the suicide booths from? (beyond Soylent Green? There were others.... ) A friend's mom swore up and down that if she got a terminal diagnosis she was going to sit on her front porch and swill margaritas from dawn to dusk. She had already survived colon cancer and her sister died from breast cancer. She wasn't going through it again and she wasn't putting her kids through the up and down, it's gone/it's back over and over again. She was just going for a pleasant buzz.
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Post by buystoys on Feb 22, 2019 18:15:51 GMT -5
I like the idea of drinking margaritas til I die.
I know a whole lot of people here in TX that don't have enough to retire on even though they're not working! LOL I think they are giving numbers for Dallas, Houston, Austin, one of the cities. You can live quite comfortably in smaller cities for much less.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Feb 24, 2019 6:00:26 GMT -5
Michigan comes in at 48, which is significantly cheaper than many popular retirement areas. We supposedly need $109800 to retire here. We don't have nearly that much saved up, but somehow, we manage lol. Our specific retirement savings are $ 500,000, and we are tapping about half of that in a revenue stream designed to last until we are age 100. The other half is aggressively invested. We were on track to save more, but my husband's industry was deeply impacted by 9-11 events and the fall-off of manufacturing in our area ( he was an industrial chemist ) , and his health problems became worse over the years. He was on SS disability due to failing eyesight ( semi-blind ), heart problems, etc. I worked until I was 61 1/2 but retired ahead of departmental changes at my employer ( as in more harassment of my team and incompetent leadership - I decided it was time to go ).
So how are we making it work ? We live very well, considering our needs are lower than many people, although if my husband passes away, it would be harder for me to be sure. He has his full SS and a pension of $1200 per month. I have my full SS and an income stream from my Roth and annuity contracts that act as a pension for me. We gross $ 6750 per month. Our home is paid for and we have good medical coverage at low-cost now that we are on Medicare. He has a Medicare supplement through the state based on his first wife's employment there before her untimely death, and I have a Medicare Advantage plan ( all in one ).
We live on $ 35,000 - $ 40,000 per year, and the rest goes into savings, trips, and thrills and frills. Our home is paid for We lack for nothing, and we have two older, paid-for cars. We don't have pets anymore, and buy almost no clothes clothes. We remodeled the house two years ago top to bottom, using the proceeds from the sale of our last rental house, so we did that for cash. We had decided that we would " age in place " instead of going to an assisted living center when we were elderly. There is a really classy one nearby, but my aunt and uncle bought into it several years ago, and it is just a sea of walkers and committees. It's beautiful, but just not for us.
It definitely can be done, without the millions saved.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 24, 2019 10:51:50 GMT -5
Of course it can be done without a million. It clearly can be done without a million in every state since the number of people who retire with a million bucks is pretty low. (I think like 15% or something). So, if you don't have a million and you are making it work, you are normal.
I found that article stupid. They clearly used some formula to come up with precise numbers, which are precisely wrong. With a number like that, you would have to know exactly what day you will die, exact market returns for each day for the rest of your life, exact inflation, exact medical costs, etc. Uh oh, one day you bought pasta that cost $3/box vs. $2. Go stand in front of a bus, you destitute jerk.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 25, 2019 8:19:33 GMT -5
There's also the option from the movie Little Miss Sunshine - where the grandfather has taken up a heroin habit - because what better time to take on a destructive habit than when you are old and running on limited time? I'm not sure what the life expectancy is for drug users... but I suspect if you are already old and take it up - it doesn't add to your longevity. I believe the Grandfather's reasoning was why not enjoy the high (and what did it matter if it killed you??) I'm not particularly fond of this plan... but it is a sort of "I've picked an end date and I'm working towards it" kind of vibe. What book(s) are the suicide booths from? (beyond Soylent Green? There were others.... ) A friend's mom swore up and down that if she got a terminal diagnosis she was going to sit on her front porch and swill margaritas from dawn to dusk. She had already survived colon cancer and her sister died from breast cancer. She wasn't going through it again and she wasn't putting her kids through the up and down, it's gone/it's back over and over again. She was just going for a pleasant buzz. Years ago I read an article about the high percentage of doctors and nurses who get an aggressive cancer diagnosis, then skip the whole chemo thing and just go home with a bunch of pain meds to enjoy their remaining time, then take a big overdose to end it before the pain gets too bad.
I guess doctors have an obligation to outline all your treatment options, and most people feel like they ought to fight cancer with every option, but I'm with the doctors and nurses, if I've got a fatal cancer, I'll skip all the chemo and surgeries and hospital stays and just wait until the pain gets too bad and end it. I've watched too many friends shrink under months of treatments until they ultimately die, stuck with tubes in an ICU, paying a tremendous cost both financially and physically.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 25, 2019 13:04:37 GMT -5
My doctor in Michigan told me to ask any doctor that was advocating that stuff to ask if they’d do it or put a loved one through it. You may not get an honest answer but you might.
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