And you wonder why Trump calls CNN fake news

[Value Buy]

Look at this headline. Says U.S. citizens seeking asylum in Canada.

When you read the actual article it is about people who came to the states and overstayed their visas.

Why can't they just say people who refuse to leave after they violate their time limits and are afraid the U.S. will make them move?







www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/2550-us-citizens-applied-for-asylum-in-canada-in-2017-thats-more-than-6-times-as-many-as-in-previous-year/ar-BBPKBpr?li=BBnbfcL

[Value Buy]

Canada discontinued their version of the assistance to the refugees in 2016.
From the article:

The program has since been repeatedly renewed. But in 2017, Department of Homeland Security officials said conditions in Haiti were improving since the earthquake and that the program should be terminated.
A wave of Haitians moved across the northern border. Many have expressed concern they'll be deported if they stay in the United States.

Canada ended its version of a program that was similar to the TPS for Haitians in 2016, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. reported. This means Haitians without status can be deported from Canada.

[Value Buy]

I was sincerely hoping the article was about democrats fleeing the country in 2017 due to the Trump policies, but alas, it has not happened.

[OldCoyote]

Nov 16, 2018 9:01:29 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I was sincerely hoping the article was about democrats fleeing the country in 2017 due to the Trump policies, but alas, it has not happened.

I thought that they all were headed to Canada after Trump was elected,,

But,,, Crap,,, looks like after the last election,,, some of them moved to AZ,,, It WAS such a nice place, sigh!!!!

as usual, no ,, only  to let you figure out if I am serious,,,,

[Value Buy]

Nov 16, 2018 9:10:50 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Nov 16, 2018 9:01:29 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I was sincerely hoping the article was about democrats fleeing the country in 2017 due to the Trump policies, but alas, it has not happened.

I thought that they all were headed to Canada after Trump was elected,,

But,,, Crap,,, looks like after the last election,,, some of them moved to AZ,,, It WAS such a nice place, sigh!!!!

as usual, no ,, only  to let you figure out if I am serious,,,,

Thus the lack of a   in reply #2.

[billisonboard]

That was one poorly written article that does not support the headline.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 16, 2018 10:11:05 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

That was one poorly written article that does not support the headline.

How does this paragraph from the article:

"Exactly 2,550 Americans applied for asylum in Canada in 2017, according to data from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada. That's more than a sixfold increase from the 395 Americans who applied in 2016."

Not support the article title:

"2,550 US citizens applied for asylum in Canada in 2017. That's more than 6 times as many as in previous year"


Hatians living in the U.S. and seeking asylum with the ending of TPS program is a separate issue in the article.

The only error in the artiicle I could see was in this sentence:

"About 80% to 85% of the US asylum-seekers are of Haitian descent, according to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police."

That sentence should read:

About 80% to 85% of the Canadian asylum-seekers are of Haitian descent, according to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Maybe it's too early for me to find any other "fake news".

[billisonboard]

Nov 16, 2018 11:05:13 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 16, 2018 10:11:05 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

That was one poorly written article that does not support the headline.

How does this paragraph from the article:

"Exactly 2,550 Americans applied for asylum in Canada in 2017, according to data from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada. That's more than a sixfold increase from the 395 Americans who applied in 2016."

Not support the article title:

"2,550 US citizens applied for asylum in Canada in 2017. That's more than 6 times as many as in previous year"


Hatians living in the U.S. and seeking asylum with the ending of TPS program is a separate issue in the article.

...

The word "citizens" appears in one and not the other. The article has no discussion of American citizens. Were there 2,550 American citizens who applied for asylum? Possibly. But who and why? I am left wondering. Thus no support for the headline. I am not saying it is false. I am saying it is poorly written.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 16, 2018 11:26:10 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 16, 2018 11:05:13 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How does this paragraph from the article:

"Exactly 2,550 Americans applied for asylum in Canada in 2017, according to data from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada. That's more than a sixfold increase from the 395 Americans who applied in 2016."

Not support the article title:

"2,550 US citizens applied for asylum in Canada in 2017. That's more than 6 times as many as in previous year"


Hatians living in the U.S. and seeking asylum with the ending of TPS program is a separate issue in the article.

...

The word "citizens" appears in one and not the other. The article has no discussion of American citizens. Were there 2,550 American citizens who applied for asylum? Possibly. But who and why? I am left wondering. Thus no support for the headline. I am not saying it is false. I am saying it is poorly written.

As the article clearly lists Americans and Hatians separately, it is assumed the reader knows Americans means American citizens.

Maybe some don't see that.

[oped]

I think it is confusing, possibly because they made an error like you suggest. I wouldn't use it as a source, but it would prompt me to investigate more if i was interested. 


This Guardian article explains it better: 

“Most of the Americans applying for refugee status are the children of non-residents,” says Stéphane Handfield, a Montreal-based immigration lawyer. “They are US citizens because they were born there, but they come across the border with their parents because they don’t want to be separated.”



Trump has repeatedly said he wants to find a way to end birthright citizenship, although legal scholars say this is impossible."


www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/14/us-citizens-seeking-asylum-canada-increases-immigration-refugees

[billisonboard]

Nov 16, 2018 11:30:48 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 16, 2018 11:26:10 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The word "citizens" appears in one and not the other. The article has no discussion of American citizens. Were there 2,550 American citizens who applied for asylum? Possibly. But who and why? I am left wondering. Thus no support for the headline. I am not saying it is false. I am saying it is poorly written.

As the article clearly lists Americans and Hatians separately, it is assumed the reader knows Americans means American citizens.

Maybe some don't see that.

It is that need for assumption that creates the opportunity for the spin that Value Buy put on the article.

[oped]

So... the CNN article is not fake... it is just not well written and leaves out key details that make the situation easier to understand. 

[Tennesseer]

We have now cleared up the article and it is not fake news.

[Value Buy]

Nov 16, 2018 11:38:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 16, 2018 11:30:48 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

As the article clearly lists Americans and Hatians separately, it is assumed the reader knows Americans means American citizens.

Maybe some don't see that.

It is that need for assumption that creates the opportunity for the spin that Value Buy put on the article.

The spin stops here...no spin zone.

[oped]

Given that there are misstatements in the OP... 

[Tennesseer]

Nov 16, 2018 11:46:01 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 16, 2018 11:38:28 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

It is that need for assumption that creates the opportunity for the spin that Value Buy put on the article.

The spin stops here...no spin zone.

LOL.

[Value Buy]

Nov 16, 2018 11:38:48 GMT -5 oped said:

So... the CNN article is not fake... it is just not well written and leaves out key details that make the situation easier to understand. 

And yet you are okay with a poorly written article with an even more very misleading headline. Bad headline plus poorly written article equals fake news.

Last week CNN had a headline naming a certain politician beloved by the democrats, and an hour later the headline was totally changed with a new headline slanting away from the ploitician mentioned in the earlier headline.

And no, I am not going to go back and find it.

I do understand it. We no longer have "illegal immigrants" with any liberal news source, we only have "migrants", "immigants" who are never labeled illegal immigrants, "asylum seekers" who are looking for a job, or "refugees" who are not really refugees.

[billisonboard]

And you wonder why Trump calls CNN fake news

To address this directly. I don't wonder at all. I understand he does it because it plays well with a segment of the voting population.

[oped]

It wasn't a misleading headline. More US Citizens are asking for asylum in Canada than ever before. It is totally correct. 

Now if you think they should have given you the detail that many of them are children who are Citizens, with parents who are not Citizens, i agree, that's why it was poorly written. However, it was not fake, nor was the title wrong. 

I can give you misleading headlines, but i try not to go to Fox if i can help it... 

[billisonboard]

Nov 16, 2018 11:53:11 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

... Bad headline plus poorly written article equals fake news.

...

No It doesn't.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 16, 2018 11:53:11 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 16, 2018 11:38:48 GMT -5 oped said:

So... the CNN article is not fake... it is just not well written and leaves out key details that make the situation easier to understand. 

And yet you are okay with a poorly written article with an even more very misleading headline. Bad headline plus poorly written article equals fake news.

Last week CNN had a headline naming a certain politician beloved by the democrats, and an hour later the headline was totally changed with a new headline slanting away from the ploitician mentioned in the earlier headline.

And no, I am not going to go back and find it.

I do understand it. We no longer have "illegal immigrants" with any liberal news source, we only have "migrants", "immigants" who are never labeled illegal immigrants, "asylum seekers" who are looking for a job, or "refugees" who are not really refugees.

Nothing misleading in the article title.  The second paragraph addresses and backs up the article title.

The only one trying to mislead is you.

[NastyWoman]

But his own judges (you know the ones that dt touts among his accomplishments) are not so sure about this whole thing. Why else would Kelly reinstate Acosta's press credentials...

Politics
Judge: White House must return CNN's Jim Acosta's credential
Associated Press JESSICA GRESKO and MICHAEL BALSAMO,Associated Press 42 minutes ago
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CNN's Jim Acosta walks out of the U.S. District Courthouse with a smile, Friday, Nov. 16, 2018, in Washington. U.S. District Court Judge Timothy Kelly ordered the White House to immediately return Acosta’s credentials. He found that Acosta was “irreparably harmed” and dismissed the government’s argument that CNN could send another reporter in Acosta’s place to cover the White House. (AP Photo/Jose Luis Magana)
WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal judge ordered the Trump administration on Friday to immediately return the White House press credentials of CNN reporter Jim Acosta, saying Acosta suffered "irreparable harm" from the decision to bar him.

U.S. District Court Judge Timothy Kelly, an appointee of President Donald Trump, announced his decision following a hearing."

www.yahoo.com/news/judge-announce-ruling-cnn-reporters-credential-case-055213240--politics.html

[zibazinski]

That’s fine. Of course he doesn’t need to invite CNN in.

[Value Buy]

Nov 16, 2018 12:06:41 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

But his own judges (you know the ones that dt touts among his accomplishments) are not so sure about this whole thing. Why else would Kelly reinstate Acosta's press credentials...

Politics
Judge: White House must return CNN's Jim Acosta's credential
Associated Press JESSICA GRESKO and MICHAEL BALSAMO,Associated Press 42 minutes ago
Reactions Reblog on Tumblr Share Tweet Email

CNN's Jim Acosta walks out of the U.S. District Courthouse with a smile, Friday, Nov. 16, 2018, in Washington. U.S. District Court Judge Timothy Kelly ordered the White House to immediately return Acosta’s credentials. He found that Acosta was “irreparably harmed” and dismissed the government’s argument that CNN could send another reporter in Acosta’s place to cover the White House. (AP Photo/Jose Luis Magana)
WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal judge ordered the Trump administration on Friday to immediately return the White House press credentials of CNN reporter Jim Acosta, saying Acosta suffered "irreparable harm" from the decision to bar him.

U.S. District Court Judge Timothy Kelly, an appointee of President Donald Trump, announced his decision following a hearing."

www.yahoo.com/news/judge-announce-ruling-cnn-reporters-credential-case-055213240--politics.html

Are you posting on the correct thread?
Not sure why this is here.....thanks

[weltschmerz]

As Canada grapples with an influx of irregular asylum seekers, statistics show a growing number of people seeking refugee protection in Canada are Americans.



In 2017, people whose country of origin was identified as the United States made up the third largest cohort of asylum seekers. A total of 2,550 asylum claims were made by United States citizens in 2017.

www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-a-growing-number-of-people-seeking-asylum-in-canada-are-americans/


Fake news, you say? Not so much.

[Value Buy]

Nov 16, 2018 17:54:01 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

As Canada grapples with an influx of irregular asylum seekers, statistics show a growing number of people seeking refugee protection in Canada are Americans.



In 2017, people whose country of origin was identified as the United States made up the third largest cohort of asylum seekers. A total of 2,550 asylum claims were made by United States citizens in 2017.

www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-a-growing-number-of-people-seeking-asylum-in-canada-are-americans/


Fake news, you say? Not so much.

The minor children are being taken there by their parents. Looks like a forced situation where the minor children have to go with their parents for the ones that are citizens.
Read the bolded from your article: 


“The majority of U.S. citizens claiming asylum are minor asylum claimants who were born in the United States whose parents are citizens of another country,” said Mathieu Genest, press secretary for Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen.



“In these instances, the claims of persecution are made against the parents’ country of origin, not the United States. However, given their citizenship, the minor children appear as U.S. citizens in these tables. These children predominately accompanied Haitian or Nigerian national adults.”

[Value Buy]

At least this article explains the fact the "citizens" are minors being moved to Canada by the illegal immigrants that are worried they will be deported for over staying their visas.
Bottom line there is no exodus of American citizens other than parents dragging the kids with them.
The title you quoted is also slightly misleading. If it was written correctly instead of politically, it would read something like this:
"Immigrants from the U.S.A. who have overstayed their visas are bringing their American born children over the border claiming asylum."

question?
Does Canada recognize dual citizenship? I assume they do.

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 16, 2018 21:21:22 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

At least this article explains the fact the "citizens" are minors being moved to Canada by the illegal immigrants that are worried they will be deported for over staying their visas.
Bottom line there is no exodus of American citizens other than parents dragging the kids with them.
The title you quoted is also slightly misleading. If it was written correctly instead of politically, it would read something like this:
"Immigrants from the U.S.A. who have overstayed their visas are bringing their American born children over the border claiming asylum."

question?
Does Canada recognize dual citizenship? I assume they do.

Yes they do. My grandchildren all have dual citizenship

[weltschmerz]

I just saw the most ridiculous thing on CNN. It just boggles the mind.

Cuomo was interviewing Corey Lewandowski, who said that journalists should show more decorum.
Cuomo asked him when Trump was going to show more decorum, that he calls the press the enemy of the people, calls them liars and stupid.
Lewondowski replied "He doesn't do that! It's fake news".

WTF?
We've all seen him do that. We've heard him at rallies. We've read his tweets.
Are these people living in an alternate reality? A parallel universe? Are they deaf, dumb and blind? Insane?
It's astonishing, it really is.

[weltschmerz]

Nov 16, 2018 21:21:22 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

At least this article explains the fact the "citizens" are minors being moved to Canada by the illegal immigrants that are worried they will be deported for over staying their visas.
Bottom line there is no exodus of American citizens other than parents dragging the kids with them.
The title you quoted is also slightly misleading. If it was written correctly instead of politically, it would read something like this:
"Immigrants from the U.S.A. who have overstayed their visas are bringing their American born children over the border claiming asylum."

question?
Does Canada recognize dual citizenship? I assume they do.

Canada even recognizes triple citizenship.